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RNC Coverage: Hour 2

Tuesday, September 02, 2008

Bill Adair, editor of politifact.com, fact checks some recent speeches, and Stephen Dinan, reporter and blogger for the Washington Times, talks about the latest political news.

Then
Massie Ritsch, communications director for the Center for Responsive Politics, opens up the convention swag bag and follows the money trail.

Then
Sarah Vowell, author of a recent New York Times op-ed piece, as well as the forthcoming book The Wordy Shipmates, talks about why conventions are interesting, why cronyism isn't so bad, and whether both parties' candidates are innovators--or standard party issue.

Guests:

Bill Adair, Stephen Dinan, Massie Ritsch and Sarah Vowell
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Comments [93]

Michael from Kyoto, Japan

Perhaps Brian is getting a bit burnt out during the conventions, but I've noticed icreasing lapses of journalistic judgment. For example, in the segment wih Bill Adair, when fact-checking is the theme of the interview, Brian makes several baseless speculations. Concerning the number of years of community serveice performed by Obama and what he did during his years at Harvard, both Brian and his guest say they have no idea. Then, Brian drops a throwaway line speculating that it may have only been a few hours of volunteer work. Then in nearly the next breath, after saying tha he has no idea whether or not the Reblicans have cancelled corporae sponsored parties as they promised, Brian speculates that they are going on in secret. There is enough inuendo from the interviewees, so I hope Brian can pick this spin apart rather than contributing to it in the future.

Sep. 02 2008 06:33 PM
debra from NY from New York Hudson Valley

Just a note to those who seem to be confused about Obama’s experience, especially compared to Sarah Palin’s. They keep forgetting that Obama spent 7 years as an Illinois State Senator BEFORE he ran for U.S. Senator. He also

- graduated Columbia University and Harvard Law School
- president of the Harvard Law Review
- practiced as a civil rights attorney
- worked in his state's voter registration program.
- elected to public office as Illinois State Senator, 1997 to 2004.
- Taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School
- U.S. Senator from March 2004-2008

7 years as a state senator in a state that dwarfs Alaska in population. 4 years as U.S. senator. Sterling law background — you have to be good to be the president of Harvard Law Review. That’s 11 years in public office on a state and national level. That’s as many years and one more level (national) than Palin has.
If you want to debate — at least have the correct facts.
Debra from New York.

Sep. 02 2008 06:17 PM
eva

#90:
Two words for you: Olympia Snowe. Where's the justice?
As to why they can't get rid of Rove, well, not all cancers can be eradicated without killing the patient.

Sep. 02 2008 01:21 PM
jl from manhattan

2 things I would like to hear more about are:

1. How do accomplished women Republican politicians feel about Palin? Women like Christie Whitman and others who have been in the game a while? I can't help thinking they must be a little ticked off.

2. Karl Rove's role in the Republican campaign, which is not reported on a great deal in the mainstream media. Some of the recent events have struck me as particularly "Rovian," such as withholding the information about her daughter's pregnancy, waiting for the liberal bloggers to write something insensitive and then releasing the information in a flurry of indignation. I wonder what the "original" plan was to release the information--or if the original plan was to wait for scurrilous rumours and then take the high road.

In any event, if McCain doesn't like Rove, why is Rove playing a key part?

Sep. 02 2008 01:16 PM
BARBARA from NYC

Where was Mom's compassion for her unwed teen daughter when she agreed to run for veep? didn't it occur to her that Bristol's privacy might be invaded just a wee bit?

Sep. 02 2008 01:13 PM
seth from Long Island

To any John McCain supporters. Setting aside, Pallin's thin resume - Obama has been dealing with natl and intnatl issues while in the Sen. despite his short tenure there unlike Sarah.

Would you propose marriage to a man or woman at the end of your first date? John McCain had 2 meetings with Palin before offering her the VP spot.

A year ago, McCain wouldn't have been able to identify Palin in a police lineup. Yet after 2 meetings with her, McCain is totally convinced they'd make a good team and would have a smooth working relationship.

In the words of John McEnroe - "You cannot be serious"!

Sep. 02 2008 12:47 PM
eva

Did anyone read David Brooks on the Palin pick in the Times yesterday? It's really bizarre. I like Brooks, but this is a stretch. Which makes me wonder about how much the media elites pumped McCain over Romney. In doing so, they glossed over a lot of his bad habits. The Palin pick is seen by many conservatives (as well as virtually every liberal) as evidence of poor judgment and a lack of foresight. But the pundits (Brooks included) have built the guy up, and don't feel they can yet tear him down.
It could have been Romney v. Obama. But nooooo.....

Sep. 02 2008 12:38 PM
hjs from 11211

eva
one of my fears, when the bills come due president obama will get the blame for the gingrich-bush years
as carter did.

Sep. 02 2008 12:37 PM
eva

#84,
that map is already changing given the realization that we cannot continue to blow money on petroleum-fueled cars as we have in the past. In the meantime, we have not invested in alternative energy, or in fuel-efficient vehicles. (doh!)
That means the developments that were built in those red areas are, for a variety of reasons including the subprime crisis, in free-fall.
The map is changing, and the reason for the change, longstreet, is that your boys have seriously fumbled every ball that came their way for the past seven years. Subprime, alternative energy, wise development... oh, the list goes on. Meanwhile, they've depleted our military resources through a historically novel series of errors.

Sep. 02 2008 12:29 PM
chris o from new york city

Yes #83 it is a left wing media conspiracy to anoint Obama...

Sep. 02 2008 12:27 PM
seth from Long Island

Brian,
You should try to book Rick Perlstein and Kevin Phillips on your show and have them discuss how this isn't your father's Republican party.
Perlstein wrote Nixonland and supports Obama. Phillips wrote American Theocracy. Phillips is a former Repub who became a registered independent. Don't know who Phillips is supporting in this election.

Sep. 02 2008 12:17 PM
hjs from 11211

shlomo,

just how much cruel and unusual punishment do we deserve??

Sep. 02 2008 12:13 PM
ab

#78

Not if it's their own kid

Republican motto: "Hypocrisy we can believe in!"

Sep. 02 2008 12:12 PM
seth from Long Island

The vast cultural divide between moderate to liberal NY Dems posting on this board and the Repub religious right is astonishing and jaw dropping. I believe dems have the facts on their side regarding Palin's hypocrisy but the love her supporters give her only grows stronger even if we politely question Sarah's judgement. Repub politicians and delegates are using Orwellian reasoning to affirm their love of Palin. We really do have 2 Americas - NE dems and the South's repub relig rt - in addition to the 2 that John Edwards spoke about. To me, the Relig rt are cousins of the Wahabi Muslims in Saudi Arabia. They both want all of us to embrace their rigid moral code.

Sep. 02 2008 12:11 PM
Longstreet from NYC area

KC: Yeah, those maps don't indicate anything. They're only the areas of the country that are actually growing. That's why people are moving to the northeast, not away from it, right? Keep living in the bubble.

Sep. 02 2008 12:11 PM
Shlomo Greenwald from Brooklyn

Question for other listeners, but mostly for Brian Lehrer show producers.
I am a regular listener to the Brain Lehrer program because I think he's the best political and policy interviewer for a number of reasons. One of the main ones is that he is eminently fair and unbiased—as is his show.

I’m also a Republican, and listened as much as I could to his show last week, and am trying to do so this week. Last week, I don’t recall hearing any interviews with people who are openly conservative or right-wing. Most interviewees were either Democratic officials or partisans or people from news media outlets. The exceptions were academics, brought in no doubt to offer expertise. I didn’t hear all of them, but were any as obviously antagonistic to the views of Obama and Biden, as Sarah Vowell and George Lakoff have been to Bush, McCain and Palin this week?

Any reason for the disparity?

Sep. 02 2008 12:09 PM
maude from east village

PS SARAH VOWELL ROCKS!! PLEASE have her on to discuss politics more often!

Sep. 02 2008 12:08 PM
maude from east village

Sarah Vowell makes lots of great points, esp. good point about sex education--I'm female-- received sex ed from public school, and because my sex ed teacher scared the bejezus out of me always had protected sex. I have a good friend from a very wealthy republican family who went to private school and never got sex education, and at 30 years old ended up with the clap. She was absolutely shocked when I told her I always made every partner get screened for VDs before having sex with them. (not that that is a guarantee but) Thank God she only ended up with a relatively benign disease, but she is still having problems 2 years later and it could contribute to problems with her pregnancy. If she had discussed w/ her partner his history this could have been avoided. I think kids really need to have as much sex ed as possible, even if only for health reasons.

Sep. 02 2008 12:08 PM
Yes I Am from Manhattan

"Dowdsyndrome"

Sep. 02 2008 12:07 PM
lezlie from Brooklyn

I really wish the media would stop referring to Palin's kid with Downs as "her downs syndrome baby." Not only is it grammatically incorrect, but it is offensive. Consider the equivalents of "Cancer Woman" or "Diabetes Teen" or "HIV man." Brian, please nib this in the butt and don't reiterate this faulty and dehumanizing, offesnive description, thanks.

Sep. 02 2008 12:03 PM
Dallas from NYC

isn't premarital sex against conservative values?

Sep. 02 2008 12:02 PM
eva

49 and 50,
When you look through the pix of Sarah Palin since Friday, it seems that in almost every photo she's a bit of a deer in the headlights. A number of women I spoke with yesterday mentioned this, and how it seems not so much that she's "not ready for prime time" as that she HERSELF doesn't feel ready for prime time.
Review the text of her speeches - "I never meant to get into politics, I never meant to be on the world stage..." that sort of thing. And then, of course, the wavering voice, the hair she can't decide to wear up or down - I mean, no one got this gal ready for the national stage. Alaska is something else entirely.
The weird thing is that now that the religious right has coalesced around her, they may not be able to afford to ditch her, which, I'm fairly certain, they were always half-ready to do. I mean, Longstreet, be real - John had only met her once before. He had a 3-hour sit-down with her on Thursday.
This would seem to be unprecedentedly weird in the "vetting" and decision-making process.

Sep. 02 2008 12:02 PM
KC from NYC

Longstreeet: It's not my fault you can't read a map.

Sep. 02 2008 12:00 PM
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Sep. 02 2008 12:00 PM
ab

#69

and yet every time a rethuglican opens his/her mouth they substantiate our "bizarre notions" of what they think. Funny that!

Sep. 02 2008 11:59 AM
SuzanneNYC from Upper West Side

Well, I'll take Sarah Vowel over Mo Rocca any day of the week. Of course all of this is really too serious to laugh about. Looking forward to more tomorrow. You might consider making her a regular -- not every day but maybe once a week.

Sep. 02 2008 11:59 AM
hjs from 11211

barry
right, back to the states,

Sep. 02 2008 11:57 AM
chris o from new york city

I am really disappointed by the devolution of John McCain. He speaks of courage and faith and tradition and values. He is so full of it. It is all about him and his ambition to be President - nothing else in the world matters to him and that is scary.

Sep. 02 2008 11:57 AM
Longstreet from NYC area

Reading the comments from the lefties here I'm beginning to see why Dems never win the WH. Most of you have bizarre notions of what conservative folks think and believe. Stereotypical thinking and intolerance seem to be normative. All I can say is, keep it up!

Sep. 02 2008 11:56 AM
Peter from Flatbush, Brooklyn

So now Huffington Post is reporting the McCain /Palin campaign is stalling the trooper investigation.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-lawyer-stonewallin_n_123179.html

This is change?

Sep. 02 2008 11:56 AM
Yu from Manhattan

Given that she's a high-profile politician with strong pro-life stance, Gov Palin probably had no choice but to keep her Down's Syndrome child if she did not want to commit political suicide. Usually, pro-choice parents are not tested prenatally for genetic disorders because there would be no medical intervention based on the results. I wonder why she chose to be tested.

Sep. 02 2008 11:55 AM
hjs from 11211


a palin family tradition - sex BEFORE marriage

Sep. 02 2008 11:54 AM
ab

#34

No, a small correction

McCain and Palin are Obama and Biden's opponents...or hadn't you noticed?
Picking Palin...someone who would take over from McCain should he keel over, destroys the ridiculous and juvenile "inexperience" argument that the rethuglicans have been using.

Sep. 02 2008 11:54 AM
Dallas from NYC

Brian, the question to Mrs. Palin should be:

If you support abstinence-only sex-education and think it is effective, why is your 17yo daughter pregnant?

Sep. 02 2008 11:53 AM
SuzanneNYC from Upper West Side

Yes, Sarah Vowel -- be upset. Be very upset. I certainly am. If possible this election is now more important than Bush & Gore -- and most of us now see now how significant it was. Do we want to be having this disucussion four years from now? Actually we might not be having it.

Sep. 02 2008 11:53 AM
barry from Manhattan

I dont think R V Wade will be overturned, whoever gets in.
What makes you think that a judge would get pass the Senate?

And even if it was, and I think it wont be, it would go back to the states. Right?

I

Sep. 02 2008 11:53 AM
hjs from 11211

barry
not if mccain names 2 more right wingers to the supreme court

Sep. 02 2008 11:53 AM
Bob from ny ny

Do you think there were any other reasons Sarah Vowels parents didn't feel it necessary to inform the young Sarah about sex?

Sep. 02 2008 11:52 AM
chris o from new york city

If she pulls out, is this not devastating proof that McCain does not have the judgment or temperament to be President? And I use those workds in all their glory and not as talking points or advocating Obama.

It seems indisputable that this was an impulsive, rash decision. Sometimes these work. Usually they don't. But Presidents are never allowed to find out either way.

Sep. 02 2008 11:52 AM
KC from NYC

This is so great. I am genuinely excited to hear someone authentically upset by the hypocrisy and misogyny at play here. This isn't just pundit stuff, this effects real life. Good for you, Sarah.

Sep. 02 2008 11:52 AM
barry from Manhattan

Cant the rape victim just decide themselves?

Sep. 02 2008 11:49 AM
Longstreet from NYC area

eva #42; you're being hopeful.
Note to NYer's:
The entire country is closer to Palin's values than NY's. Anyone remember the red/blue county by county map? Terrifying, I know to the insulated and ignorant east of the hudson.

Sep. 02 2008 11:49 AM
eva

longstreet,
intrade currently has Sarah Palin withdrawing as vp nominee (with a buy at 11.5 and a sell at 9.5)

Sep. 02 2008 11:49 AM
Yes I Am from Manhattan

"You know how we always talk on the phone about Republicans"

(silence)

'Fair and Balanced' is Fox News slogan, right?

Sep. 02 2008 11:49 AM
Joe Corrao from Brooklyn

Eva...I agree that Palin will pull out this week, the repubs will see the futility of the choice and blame it on family issues...

Sep. 02 2008 11:48 AM
chris o from new york city

Eva,
It is hard to say if she will pull out. Probably not because the election would almost be over that point, with McCain conceding a huge error of judgment right out of the gate while Obama continues to soar and pass every test with flying colors. Politically, she is a hit with the right but it seems a consensus is forming among the mass middle that she is no good.

The Alaskan folk seem surprised. She is massive political enemies with the female Senate Majority leader (a Republican), who also happens to be from Wasilla. Seth posted some good links that I will need to wade through before forming a more perfect opinion.

Sep. 02 2008 11:47 AM
Bobby G from East Village

Congratulations to Sarah Vowell on the unbelieveably important piece on how the media reported on a talk Al Gore gave to a high school in New Hampshire.

Sep. 02 2008 11:47 AM
Peter from Flatbush, Brooklyn

#35 - Longstreet....

What does that have anything to do with Pailin and her background?
I am asking because it reflects on Sen. McCain's judgement in picking a VP candidate.

Sep. 02 2008 11:47 AM
hjs from 11211

poor sarah?
poor us :(
did the gop kidnap our BL??

Sep. 02 2008 11:45 AM
barry from Manhattan

Hello Hello Hellooooooo

Sep. 02 2008 11:44 AM
BORED

BRIAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sep. 02 2008 11:43 AM
chris o from new york city

Oh I want to speak to Sarah and tell her we can hear. But Brian can't...

Sep. 02 2008 11:43 AM
eva

how many people think there's a real possibility Palin will withdraw this week? Or am I just being hopeful? Look, if there's any chance McCain will win, I'd like someone more qualified in the #2 spot.

Sep. 02 2008 11:42 AM
michaelw from INWOOD

That delegate needs a history lesson.

Amazing what these people think.

They make up their own facts to fit a fantasy they want to believe.

Republicans are fiscally responsible what laugh!!!

Sep. 02 2008 11:42 AM
eva

#37,
Because Palin will be but one cardiac event from the presidency, she needs to be vetted as carefully as any presidential candidate.
And that was not done by the McCain team. For which, personally, I'm glad. Unless, of course, he wins, in which case we're stuck with the possibility of Palin as president. Which is scary. Very scary.

Sep. 02 2008 11:41 AM
KC from NYC

Can anyone call these people out on the phony "fiscal conservative/'small government' GOP" thing?

Anyone?

Please?

Sep. 02 2008 11:40 AM
Longstreet from NYC area

eva #36; palin is going to be the 1st woman president. That should be obvious by now, whether she takes over for McCain mid-term or when she goes up against Obama in 2012.

Sep. 02 2008 11:40 AM
harmon michaels from jersey city, nj

longstreet #27: if it's a comparison between a relatively inexperienced legislator who graduated magna cum laude from harvard and the governor of some small state who has essentially been foisted on the mccain ticket by the extreme religious right (the council for national policy) i feel a lot better with obama. palin can't even manage her family. yikes.

Sep. 02 2008 11:40 AM
hjs from 11211

eva, only if more shoes drop :) Schadenfreude

Sep. 02 2008 11:38 AM
seth from Long Island

Here are some Alaskan politics web sites.
They offer a chance to follow Sarah Palin's selection from the local perspective
http://mudflats.wordpress.com/
http://alaskanabroad.typepad.com/an_alaskan_abroad/
http://divasblueoasis.blogspot.com/
http://progressivealaska.blogspot.com/
http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/
http://www.theroguewave.blogspot.com/
http://www.alaskareport.com/blog/

Sep. 02 2008 11:37 AM
Longstreet from NYC area

ab #30; I thought McCain was BHO's opponent.

Sep. 02 2008 11:37 AM
eva

I'm betting Palin withdraws either this week or next. If McCain is lucky, Romney and Pawlenty will still be willing to accept...
He should pick Pawlenty.

Sep. 02 2008 11:36 AM
chris o from new york city

Palin: Eagleton reduxe?

Sep. 02 2008 11:35 AM
Steve (the other one) from Manhattan

@Suzanne - the baby daddy has described himself as an effen redneck.

Sep. 02 2008 11:34 AM
Peter from Flatbush, Brooklyn

Did Palin work for/with the Bucannan Campaign?

Also, is there any word on the validity of her two other abuse of power complaints as mayor of Wassilla?

Both were on talking points memo - any fact check here?

Sep. 02 2008 11:32 AM
ab

#27

Yes...it is QUITE impressive when stacked up to the hypocritical figurehead Palin, isn't it??

Sep. 02 2008 11:30 AM
SuzanneNYC from Upper West Side

And by the way, check out Democracy Now -- they'll post today's show at some point. Amy Goodman interviewed someone (didn't catch the name) who has been doing documentary work on the Alaska political scene and Sarah Palin. Extremely revealing -- and disturbing.

Sep. 02 2008 11:27 AM
Longstreet from NYC area

John # 22: Wow. What an impressive resume for BHO. I'm blown away. If you lefties had any sense you would immediately cease talking about experience.

Sep. 02 2008 11:25 AM
SuzanneNYC from Upper West Side

Huff Post has some information on the father of this innocent child. If I were a betting person, I'd put my money on this couple never getting married. My 14 year old nephew is more mature. Doesn't he have say? What if his family objects? Can the Palins force him? What lovely family values. In the meantime the real issues facing this county -- to say nothing of the police-state tactics being used in Minneapolis -- are once again pushed out of sight. We are a nation of idiots.

Sep. 02 2008 11:24 AM
Yes I Am from Manhattan

McCain said the $5 million "rich" description was a joke when he said it.

He then remarked that he knew it would be taken out of context.

Obama's dowdification of the comment is pretty typical and smacks of desperation.

Sep. 02 2008 11:19 AM
Steve (the other one) from Manhattan

The fact guy is telling some half-truths of his own. From ThinkProgress:

When she first introduced herself as McCain’s running mate, Palin also lied about her support for the project. But as Stephanopoulos notes,the claim made by McCain and Graham that Palin opposed the Bridge to Nowhere is patently false.

In reality, Palin strongly supported the bridge project. During her 2006 run for governor, the Anchorage Daily News interviewed Palin. At the time, federal funding for the bridge had been stripped by Congress. The paper asked if she was in favor of continuing state funding for the project. “Yes,” she responded, noting specifically her desire to renew congressional support:

Yes. I would like to see Alaska’s infrastructure projects built sooner rather than later. The window is now — while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist.

When Palin finally canceled the project in 2007, she expressed regret that Congress had not been more forthcoming with federal funding. Moreover, as recently as March 2008, her administration was publicly defending its frequent requests for the same kind of earmark spending that McCain himself often rails against.

Sep. 02 2008 11:13 AM
John from Brooklyn

McCain's repeated assertion that Palin has more -- and more relevant -- experience than Obama is absurd.

Wasilla, Alaska, had a population of barely more than 4,000, when Palin first ran for council in 1992.

In 1992, Obama -- having been elected president of the Harvard Law Review in 1990 and graduated from Harvard Law in 1991 -- was...

--using a fellowship from the University of Chicago Law School, to start writing his first book, "Dreams from My Father";

--directing Illinois Project Vote, a 6-month-long voter registration drive (with a staff of 10 and 700 volunteers) that achieved its goal of registering 150,000 of 400,000 unregistered African Americans in the state; and

--beginning a 12-year-long teaching career as a lecturer in Constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School.

Even Chris Wallace of Fox News fact-checked John McCain, when McCain tried to say that Palin was at Obama's level.

Sep. 02 2008 11:09 AM
seth from Long Island

Brian,
Your 1st hr on Sarah Palin focused almost entirely on her daughter's pregancy. You did decent coverage on the bridge to nowhere, but what about the following?

You completely omitted her ties to a pro-Ted Stevens 527 group, her views on intelligent design, update on her troopergate scandal, her affiliation with Alaskan Indep Party, McCain's lack of vetting.
You're in the eye of the storm and you missed a host of real issues about Palin that merit further reporting. I'm disappointed that you were sucked into the abstinence/sex ed angle. Cable tv is already covering this story. WNYC should be providing a sensible alternative to cable tv news. You shouldn't simply be doing a more respectable version of what cable tv is doing.

Sep. 02 2008 11:09 AM
jl from manhattan

Palin was mayor of a "city?" Is that what Ranger said? A "city"? The small town in NJ where I grew up had almost three times the population of Palin's "city"!

What I really want to know is during these interviews, are these Republican delegates and other officials just phoning it in? Do they look like they're in pain when saying this stuff? Or do they seem to really believe it?

All I can say is that Sarah Palin's nomination did for me what four days of the Democratic convention didn't and I'm now firmly pro-Obama.

Sep. 02 2008 11:07 AM
Bo from nyc

Bill Adair: Give us 3 blatant lies from Republican convention speeches.

Sep. 02 2008 11:04 AM
Adrien Seybert from Brooklyn


Married at 17. Divorced at 21. Lovely. That's going to be a great atmosphere to raise a child.

Why on earth is marrying the man who knocked you up at 17 the smartest and "right" decision? Palin's daughter needn't have an abortion if she doesn't want to. But why can't she just give her baby up for adoption? There are plenty of folks in better positions than Palin's daughter who can give her baby a good home.

Why is it "right" to get hitched way too young? When odds are, Palin's daughter will be divorced within five years? And McCain's ticket is trying to reach women? Huh. Sounds pretty sexist making your daughter have a kid at 17 and raise it. How's Palin's daughter going to manage raising a kid and getting the education she'll need to get a job to support the kid -- probably as a single mother?

Sep. 02 2008 10:57 AM
Eric from B'klyn

Reports are coming out of MN of very aggressive posture toward demonstrators in MN. There are reports that this is being coordinated by DoHS. I hope you will examine this... I would call your attention to the fact that the public's has a constitutionally protected right to assemble peaceably to petition the Government for redress of grievances. I really have trouble with the police and mayors about this issue. This a 1st Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Our police departments nationwide ought take a serious look.

Sep. 02 2008 10:34 AM
Jesse from NYC

Giving access to information is a school's job.. Giving access to sex ed info is not a moral issue. Abstinence only ed has been shown not to work, and many teenagers do NOT know about sex and contraceptives.

Sep. 02 2008 10:27 AM
susan from Yorktown Heights, NY

Harmon Michaels #12
I laughed out loud, too. But sadly, (frighteninly?) the republicans repeat innacuracies (lies?) over and over again until people take them as the truth. It seems that at least 51% of the voting population believe what they are fed.

Sep. 02 2008 10:24 AM
harmon michaels from jersey city, nj

smidely #1: great point. the mccain folks have decided to come out with this so all the ramifications should be explored. when you decide to exploit your children in this way whatever follows is your own fault.
tara #11: palin seems to be a two-fer based on some of the reporting i've seen. not only does she provide cover for some racists to switch over and vote republican under the guise of faux-feminism but she is the approved choice of the ultra-religious right. max blumenthal and the nation have done some good reporting on this already.

Sep. 02 2008 10:22 AM
susan from Yorktown Heights, NY

I respect Sarah Palins CHOICE to raise her son with Down syndrom. I also respect her daughter's CHOICE to keep her child (though I question how much of a choice this girl had.)
I do not, however, respect Palin's view that neither I nor my daughter should have a CHOICE.

Sep. 02 2008 10:19 AM
harmon michaels from jersey city, nj

hahahahaha! obama and biden are more liberal than bernie sanders according to orrin hatch and the national journal! you have to love these people for the utterly demented sincerity with which they make statements like that. nice of brian to not bother to point out that the national journal ALWAYS points out that the democratic nominee for president is the most liberal human being on earth at this particular moment in time. jeez.

Sep. 02 2008 10:16 AM
Tara from Manhattan

Regarding Gov. Palin--
As a women, I feel pandered to and offended. Hillary-supporters didn't just want any woman in office; we wanted a woman in office who stood up for WOMEN'S ISSUES! Anti-choice Palin isn't cutting it.

Sep. 02 2008 10:13 AM
seth from Long Island

Susan #4

Chelsea Clinton was subjected to vile comments by John McCain. McCain told a joke, for which he later apologized, that Chelsea was so unattractive because Janet Reno was her father.

McCain doesn't just advocate lousy policies, he's also a lousy, miserable person.

Sep. 02 2008 10:07 AM
seth from Long Island

Will Brian discuss the actions of the St Paul poice? Several journalists including Amy Goodman were arrested while covering a protest. CNN analyst Donna Brazille was reportedly hit with pepper spray.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/01/donna_brazile_hit_by_pepper_sp.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tom-dantoni/amy-goodman-violently-arr_b_123062.html

Sep. 02 2008 10:00 AM
susan from Yorktown Heights, NY

JL,
Palin needed to trot out the 4 month old-he served as "bump camoflage."
I too questioned the decision to haul this infant around and I also bristled at they're "using" him like a prop to shore up the party's base.
The announcement of poor Bristol's pregnancy made it clear that the baby, along with a carefully draped blanket, served as a convenient cover-up.
I'm sure that we'll see less of Palin's infant son now. I'm also waiting to see Bristol's next appearance. I'm sure that they will dress her up to play up the pregnancy, even at this early stage.

Sep. 02 2008 09:57 AM
levinej

(Fortunately we have our very own reporters at the convention to ask precisely these hard questions -- and harvest accompanying scoops....)

Sep. 02 2008 09:27 AM
levinej

Yes, right David/2 -- it would be quite productive for the MSM to query Palin directly on her, er, stance, on birth control.

Sep. 02 2008 09:20 AM
jl from manhattan

And, Sarah, not that I disagree your daughter deserves some privacy, but . . . don't you think you opened the door to public scrutiny of your family's reproductive situation when you trotted your 4 month old onto the public stage and pulled out the stops to make sure we knew he had DS? In the past 72 hours I don't think I've read or heard one reference to the child without an accompanying reference to the fact he has DS.

If you're going to so blatantly use your young child to shore up the party's conservative base, then haven't you opened the door for the public to enquire whether your 17-year-old knows what a condom is?

Sep. 02 2008 09:20 AM
susan from Yorktown Heights, NY

I can't help but wonder what the uproar would be if it were the child of a Democratic candidate who found herself in the same predicament.
If Chelsea Clinton had gotten pregnant during the Clinton Administration she would have been called names I wouldn't even type here. As it is, she was subjected to vile comments from so called "jounalists," and her only crime was having an unattractive adolescence.

I must admit I live in wonder at the republican's ability to turn anything to their advantange. If John McCain stood up today and admitted to being a transgender, card carrying member of Greenpeace with a secret family in North Korea, the republicans would find a way to to make him sound like a paragon of American manhood. It boggles my simple Democratic mind.

Sep. 02 2008 09:15 AM
levinej

This is a great opportunity for the Republicans to take the lead on two driving issues of our day:

1. Child care for working moms (and mom slash grandmoms)
2. Teen Pregnancy.

Palin has embraced and endorsed her life choices and those of her 17 year old pregnant daughters. Since millions of teen Americans naturally look to Washington for their role models, I look forward to Palin providing instruction as to how they too may emulate her life so far.

I look forward to watching current events reframed in this helpful way.

Sep. 02 2008 09:15 AM
David from Queens

A couple of pertinent policy questions for Gov Palin. Is abstinence really a viable method of Sex Education - It's currently 50% effective with your teenage children. What about healthcare for pregnant teens whose moms aren't Governors and get free socialized healthcare from the taxpayers? Do good leaders change their positions when those positions are disproven by facts?

Sep. 02 2008 08:32 AM
smidely

Not to be indelicate, but if the father of Palin's pregnant 17 yo daughter's fetal child is 18 or older then he is a statutory rapist. And that would be anything but a private matter (even for the Family Values crowd).

Sep. 02 2008 06:01 AM

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