Immigration Fallout

Friday, August 01, 2008

Julia Preston, National Immigration Reporter for The New York Times, talks about the immigration and labor issues presented by the recent ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) raids in Iowa.


Julia Preston

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Gary Krasner from

Unions are madly spending their member's union dues to defend and reinstate laborers caught with filing phony SS numbers. They lobby to oppose federal laws that would limit their spending in political campaigns, even if the rank and file opposes the political agenda of their leadership.

Nevertheless, According to Todd J. Gillman (The Dallas Morning News, July 8, 2008), "most labor unions also resist policies that would bring in more foreign workers." Thus, what unions do is a poor index to justify what high immigration does to wages rates.

Oh, and you didn't respond to my contentions: name one movie or documentary, and why the big talk on enforcing immigration laws, UNTIL it comes time to enforce immigration laws?!

Aug. 01 2008 03:13 PM
Gary Krasner from

Julie, It is indeed incongruous that some unions are not very vocal on the downward pressure on wages from increased supply of people willing to work for less. But that because we still tend to think of most unions as exclusively representative of laborers. In fact they are also political organizations whose members are liberal and hold to the World-Is-One, open borders philosophy.

With increasing numbers, comes increased political power. Those who run unions are Democrats---Duhhh. Many people moving up the ranks of labor groups are not even citizens. There's no law against an illegal joining a union. And since when is a large pool of docile, disenfranchised, dependent, non-english speaking individuals not a desirable profile for membership in unions?!


Aug. 01 2008 03:13 PM
Julie from unions and immigrants

Yes, Julia Preston should cover the issue of US-born workers' wages. But in fact this shows:
1. construction unions don't emphasize restriction, but, rather, strong labor laws for ALL workers and organizing all workers, including day laborers (!)
2. overall, immigrants help the middle-class sector of the economy and they contribute more tax revenue than is spent on them.

This is old news, and should be obvious -- just search the AFL website -- but is ignored by immigrant defenders and is troublesome to people like Lou Dobbs.

Aug. 01 2008 12:45 PM
Gary Krasner from

I find two things amazing. First, liberals disingenuously claim to favor enforcement of immigration laws to win political arguments. But when it comes to ACTUALLY ENFORCING those laws they CLAIM to support, that's when people like Preston show up with their "hardship among the immigrants" articles.

Second, we have numerous examples of mainstream articles, news stories, documentaries and movies about the hardships among illegals. But neither Preston nor anyone on this list can name ONE movie or docummentary showing the hardships of citizens. The carpenter or craftman that used to earn $25-30 an hour, now has to settle for $15. Or the factory worker. Or the parent that has to pay for private school because the public school comprises 60 kids, half of whom are not fluent in english.

Aug. 01 2008 11:52 AM
O from Forest Hills


Of course Home Depot is welcoming these people. They don't pay health insurance and they can pay this person less than minimum wage.

It is in the corporation's interests to hire illegal aliens to work, they want the cheap labor.

Aug. 01 2008 11:44 AM
J.T. from NYC

It's reading some of the comments on here. People give the impression that the care about the illegal workers and respect the workers' humanity.

But than they'll comment on how the illegal workers didn't know what was going or had to work under horrible conditions etc. I believe many of you don't truely respect these illegal workers because you all talk about them as if they are helpless, stupid children with no morals or commen sense.

These are adults with will and drive and enough street smarts and intelligence to know exactly what they are doing - right and wrong. Stop patronizing them like they're helpless idiots!

Aug. 01 2008 11:43 AM
World's Toughest Milkman from the_C_train

Being exploited by these awful employers doesn't exonerate these ILLEGAL immigrants from the crime they committed.

These factories should be fined heavily and or shut down for health and human rights violations.

When these ILLEGAL immigrants cross the border they know full well that their actions are ILLEGAL it's a shame that ivory tower liberals keep welcoming these folks with open arms.

How about an expose' on Home Depot stores, almost every one in CA has many ILLEGALS loitering in hopes of getting day work, almost as if HD condones this action.

Aug. 01 2008 11:41 AM
O from Forest Hills

Why do they have the "right" to cross the border and drive down our wages and take away jobs from Americans?

They don't.

Aug. 01 2008 11:41 AM
robert from park slope

Do you think the fact that these plant produced kosher products added extra fuel to protests by the locals?

Aug. 01 2008 11:40 AM
Paul from Jersey City

These workers were dehumanized by their employers, and our government's response is to put them in prison? This is outrageous.

The employers should be prosecuted on kidnapping charges. ("They had to work at night even if they didn't want to")

Aug. 01 2008 11:33 AM

My coment was regarding your first comment that you posted before the segment.

Aug. 01 2008 11:29 AM
J.T. from NYC

Why does the guest continue to call the workers being prosecuted immigrants rather than illegal immigrants. There is a difference between the two is there not?

P.S. - The employers should be thrown to the wolves too.

Aug. 01 2008 11:28 AM
World's Toughest Milkman from the_C_train

ILLEGAL immigrants are here ILLEGALLY and have already committed a crime crossing the border ILLEGALLY and some form of id theft with false social security numbers.

I agree with michael winslow's point wholeheartedly in addition to being a blue collar worker myself and having to deal with ILLEGAL immigrants every time I drive into Home Depot stores.

These factories should be closed down for human rights violations in addition to hiring ILLEGAL immigrants.

Aug. 01 2008 11:27 AM
michael winslow from INWOOD

Bored not nonsense


Aug. 01 2008 11:26 AM
michael winslow from INWOOD

This plant should be shut down permanently and then leveled with no compensation to the owners.

Employers in this country have to know if they hire illegal immigrants they will go to jail and lose their business.

Aug. 01 2008 11:25 AM

Michael you should have waited to hear the segment before you spew your nonsense.

Aug. 01 2008 11:22 AM
michael winslow from INWOOD

It's absolutely wrong to prosecute the workers!

Prosecute the employers.

The crime is not the worker's the crime is the employer's

Aug. 01 2008 11:21 AM
JJ from WaHI

"Untold Stories" blah. Illegal employment is bad news. Tried talking about the subject with several friends for several years - usually takes between 3days to 3 years to get past the 'racist' garbage.... then the light clicks-on.

Poor Americans (black, white, brown) are hurt by illegal employment and the illegal/undocumented immigrants are being exploited.

Aug. 01 2008 11:11 AM
michael winslow from INWOOD

Illegal aliens/immigrants don't realize that but the US government cracking down on employers who are using them is for their protection.

Employers who use illegal workers exploit them to the point of slavery. These people are not entitled to anything under the law. What about fair wages? What about workers compensation?

Aug. 01 2008 10:47 AM

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