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Monday Morning Politics: Guns and Immigration

Monday, April 01, 2013

The Capitol Building, in Washington, D.C. (vgm8383/flickr)

A "gang of eight" senators says it is close to a blueprint for immigration reform. Jackie Calmes, New York Times White House correspondent, discusses the latest on immigration, President Obama's renewed push for gun legislation, and all the latest news from Washington.

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Comments [13]

walter white from USA

The immigration debate means nothing if White genocide is not addressed. White genocide is being carried out by requiring ALL White countries to take in millions of non-Whites from the developing world and forcing White people to "assimilate" with all these non-Whites. Anyone who dissents to this program of genocide is called a "Neo-Nazi" or "racist." ONLY Whites are denied the right to countries, communities, and institutions. Africans, Arabs, Jews, and Asians are free to have their own spaces to pursue their interests and live within their own cultures. Whites are denied this right, and in the Western media and educational systems Whites are portrayed as inherently oppressive. Miscegenation is glorified and encouraged. This isn't the case in African, or Asians, or Jewish countries. ONLY White countries are required to "celebrate diversity." This will lead to the end of White humans on earth. This is genocide.

Apr. 01 2013 09:43 PM
John from Bklyn


@ RUCB_Alum from Central New Jersey

I see two crucial issues:

First, Rule of Law. Putting law above comfort has been a strict foundation of America’s success. Not many countries have been able to prize intellect above passion - structure above chaos. Neither people nor economies thrive amidst chaos.

President Obama, who I voted for, has - in violation of his Presidential Oath - decided not to enforce our immigration laws. This is grounds for impeachment - though I would not impeach him.

Second, Loyalty. Our government should prefer the interests of Americans over foreigners. We are in a covenant to care for each other above foreigners. Even Princeton philosophers who pretend to value all lives equally, admit to spending their fortune on family amenities when they might save innocent foreign lives. These circles of concern are not heartless, they are the way the world works, and the only way it can work.

One way we decide this balance is by passing immigration laws. Self-interested businesses and politicians have encouraged massive illegal immigration by offering jobs. Mitt Romney, who I voted against, suggested self-deportation via strict use of E-Verify. This seems both effective and humane.

The illegal immigrants - said to number between 11 and 22 million, until their advocates realized that the higher number scared the hell out of Americans - are not wicked for seeking relief for their families back home. But the Latino demographic promises that at least a wife and four children will join the average man. Multiplication is left as an exercise for the student.

Their real prize is not the much-discussed citizenship - but rather simple residence with legal work. Advocates seem to think these people are inferior and that they’ll continue to do the jobs we won’t do at wages we can’t live on and live seven to a room as we will not. Once legal, they’ll choose jobs just as you and I do, and once joined by their families they’ll require an American standard of living.

Apr. 01 2013 11:52 AM
lcruz from brooklyn

undocumented ?, what are we talking about here, people that have lost their travel documents ?

Apr. 01 2013 10:42 AM

Harry Reid is representing his constituency

Apr. 01 2013 10:41 AM
RUCB_Alum from Central New Jersey

@John from Bklyn

"I damn near love both Brian and The Times - but, I’ll bet that the words “immigration” and “illegal” never come in close proximity..."

I probably agree with you but before I sign on you need to be clearer. The term 'illegal immigrant' is fine but the synecdochic use of 'illegal' to refer to these people is bigoted. Do you use the term 'illegal' when referring to 'illegal immigrants'?

There are also two classes of illegal immigrants - those that overstay their visas - students, tourists - usually Asians and Europeans who find a way to get jobs and the much more highly visible 'border jumper'. The split is about 40/60 but you would never know it from the way the subject is covered. It is the exploitation of the illegal immigrants that have crossed our southern borders that is suppressing wages, taking away minimum wage jobs from our teen and destroying the housing stock - through the illegal actions of their landlords - in many of our cities.

If I could wave a wand that would send them all back where they come from I would have used it by now. But there is no wand and we need a solution. Do these people intend to stay and become citizens or do they want to make their pile and move back where it is cheaper? If the latter, then let them go now.

Apr. 01 2013 10:37 AM
Alan from New York


The Gang of 8 intends to greatly expand the H-1B visa program that gives temporary visas to foreign "experts" (read ordinary college graduates). The intent is--and the effect will be--to let the big employers of computer programmers to hire the equivalent of indentured servants at a lower pay rate than they'd pay to Americans with the same level of experience. The Gang of 8 is in the pockets of industry. Their interests are not our interests. We need legislation that will help the unemployed to find work. The legislation that the Gang of 8 is preparing does the opposite.

Please consider signing a petition against the Gang of 8 at
http://signon.org/sign/dont-let-the-gang-of?source=s.fwd&r_by=7391094.

Call--don't write--the offices of your senators and representatives and make follow-up calls.

Thank you.

Apr. 01 2013 10:36 AM

Why more HIB visas instead of investing in educating US students?

Apr. 01 2013 10:25 AM
Curious from Westchester, NY

Re Senator Graham's statement, is it a crime just to fail a background check, or is the crime lying on the application? In other words, if you truthfully state your information (e.g., outpatient treatment for a depression or conviction on a non-violent crime years earlier) which turns out to be disqualifying, have you committed a crime just by applying? If not, Senator Graham's statistics are meaningless.

Apr. 01 2013 10:23 AM
fuva from harlemworld

Senator Lindsey Graham wants more mentally ill people to be registered on a list that WON'T be checked in private and gun show tramsfers.

Yes, maybe a parent's transfer of a firearm to a child SHOULD be regulated...Duh, Sandy Hook...

And, yes, his 'prosecution' claim is a red herring because what's relevant is that the attempted purchasers were denied.

What a slickster.

Apr. 01 2013 10:19 AM
lcruz from brooklyn

why have we not heard, any legislation for dealing with mentally unstable people, shared database, mandatory reporting ?, why go after the proverbial low hanging fruit ?

Apr. 01 2013 10:18 AM

Harry Reid is a politician before being a Democrat. No Surprise.

Apr. 01 2013 10:11 AM
John from Bklyn

I damn near love both Brian and The Times - but, I’ll bet that the words “immigration” and “illegal” never come in close proximity during this discussion.

Apr. 01 2013 10:07 AM
Joe Mirsky from Pompton Lakes, NJ

In 1991, Warren E. Burger, the conservative Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, said on the MacNeil/Lehrer NewsHour that the Second Amendment "has been the subject of one of the greatest pieces of fraud—I repeat the word 'fraud'—on the American public by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime.” In 1991 he said in an editorial in the Keene Sentinel (NH), “If an 18th-century militia was intended to be ‘well regulated,’ surely the Second Amendment does not remotely guarantee every person the constitutional right to have a ‘Saturday Night Special’ or a machine gun without any regulation whatever.”

Apr. 01 2013 10:07 AM

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