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Does the NYPD Need an Inspector General?

Thursday, March 21, 2013

As the federal trial over NYPD's stop-and-frisk practices continues, the City Council has agreed to establish an inspector general to monitor the NYPD. New York City Councilmembers Jumaane Williams (D-45, Flatbush, East Flatbush, Flatlands, and Canarsie) and Brad Lander (D-39, Cobble Hill, Carroll Gardens, Gowanus, Park Slope, Windsor Terrace, Borough Park and Kensington) co-sponsors of the Community Safety Act, talk about the plan.

 

Guests:

Brad Lander and Jumaane D. Williams

Comments [26]

Is this the same kind of Inspector General that was looking out for the public's interest while Quinn and her council colleagues were allocating funds to nonexistent agencies?
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/04/nyregion/04quinn.html?scp=13&sq=Dianne+Cardwell%3B+new+york+city+council+slush+fund&st=nyt&_r=0

Did anyone see a DOI report on that scam or must we be satisfied with "Quinn's Spin"?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOqecrHyzko

Mar. 22 2013 01:11 AM
Bob from Brooklyn

So sorry to have missed today's show. Here are my thoughts:

Ray Kelly needs to be put on trial for allowing criminality in the police. Bloomberg is a fascist and wanna be dictator who is an enemy of the common man. NYPD is a terrorist organization that will continue to hurt people until it is brought under control.

Yes, we need an independent IG for the police force. Yes, we need tight control because it's clear the police are incapable of policing themselves. We have stories coming out daily about abuse and criminality in the NYPD. There is no reason to trust those who are part of the system. If NYC cannot get more control over the police, then we need the DOJ to step in. We need independent oversight now before it gets worse and the crazy gun nuts start attacking the government. That's all I have to say.

See you all tomorrow!

Mar. 21 2013 01:41 PM

PD oversight needs a fully independent Shooting Review Board/IG.

Questions include:

Are shooting guidelines sufficient? How can they be tightened?
Is firearms training adequate? Is the service pistol trigger pull effort too much & does it interfere with a patrolman's ability to control his fire?

Mar. 21 2013 11:44 AM
Martin Chuzzlewit from Manhattan

Oh, gosh, yes, let's do anything to raise the crime level back to the good ole' days of unsafe streets. You lefties will love it.

If you think being mugged is worth the self-righteous posturing, you haven't been mugged. You lose teeth or your kids are psychologically traumatized and fearful for years.

"Jf"...you would rather be "mugged once in a while".
LOL, no you don't, Sparky.

Mar. 21 2013 10:59 AM
Leo from Queens

to Tab in NYC from Manhattan: The council does try to meet regularly with the commissioner and the job of the council is to provide some oversight of the executive. But the few times the commissioner has gone to the City Council he has treated them with contempt and has used the police dept to arrest, rough up and intimidate city council members because these people are beneath him when in fact they are trying to address concerns from the communities they represent. Also, our city charter gives the executive - the mayor and his commissioners - significant powers with little oversight while the City Council under the charter is fairly weak. The council has been weaker since Quinn took over it's leadership since she has been kissing up to Bloomberg in order to get his blessing and money when she runs to become mayor.

Regarding the 'problem' neighborhoods: these are no more 'problematic' then the 'non-problem' neighborhoods. Crime such as theft, rape, muggings and drug use are similar and in some cases less then other 'exclusive' or 'in' neighborhoods. The 'problem' with these neighborhoods is that they are primarily populated by poor people who are primarily minorities and immigrants of color. The mayor and commissioner have a problem with these people and think that the fact they exist, these people are by nature criminals. So as a result you have more arrests and summons and fines on these neighborhoods as compared to the 'non problem' neighborhoods because these people don't have the means and don't know how to fight the system and advocate for their rights (their representatives are abuses and looked down upon by the mayor and commissioner). There is no similar effort by the NYPD and mayor to shake down residents lets say in Chelsea or the UES because the backlash would be fierce. The media and us think of people in 'problem' neighborhoods as deserving it. Otherwise they would not be poor

Mar. 21 2013 10:59 AM
The Truth from Becky

Yes, having an IG is a good choice.

Mar. 21 2013 10:51 AM
afgan irakson from Brooklyn

We need to turn this city into Detroit, we really do, because, lets face it, everybody hates Bloomberg and the most disadvantaged daughter of NYC political machine must be elected mayor.

Mar. 21 2013 10:51 AM
Jf from Out of the box

I would much rather get mugged once and awhile than mugged every month by my landlord every month. And mugged by cops for riding a bike and making the streetss 30%safer.

Mar. 21 2013 10:51 AM
Leo from Queens

USCDADNYC from Queens NY: There is oversight by district attorneys, FBI and even the NYPD if there is criminal activity reported by a city councilmember

Besides, you don't have city council members approaching individuals on the street asking them for drugs or to turn over what they have in their pockets and if don't reply fast enough or hesitate or run away they execute them on the spot!.

VERY different roles

Mar. 21 2013 10:49 AM
Jf from Out of the box

I would much rather get mugged once and awhile than mugged every month by my landlord every month. And mugged by cops for riding a bike and making the streetss 30%safer.

Mar. 21 2013 10:32 AM
Tab in NYC from Manhattan

What is the job of a city councilman? The issue seems to be in "problem" neighborhoods where the residents feel underrepresented and victimized by the system. Can't the council just regulaarly meet with the commissioner? We don't need a bigger govenrment, we need a smarter (and more hardworking and collaborative) government.

Mar. 21 2013 10:27 AM
Jonathan from Washington Hgts

Considering that Ray Kelly is a retired Marine reserve officer, he has plenty of experience with IGs. Perhaps someone can ask him how his military command experience informs his position on this issue.

Mar. 21 2013 10:26 AM
david from New Jersey

How about the Commission to Combat Police Corruption, an outgrowth from the Mollen Commission. Will an IG make it obsolete? What purpose is it serving now?

Mar. 21 2013 10:24 AM
mark from The Bronx

I was skeptical about this idea until I heard Bloomberg's take. His petulance convinced me the NYPD needed an inspector general. Someone else mentioned the 5 D.A.'s as police oversight. They oversee me too; this is such a specious argument.

Mar. 21 2013 10:23 AM
mark from The Bronx

I was skeptical about this idea until I heard Bloomberg's take. His petulance convinced me the NYPD needed an inspector general. Someone else mentioned the 5 D.A.'s as police oversight. They oversee me too; this is such a specious argument.

Mar. 21 2013 10:23 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

In theory I agree with an internal check on every governmental coercive force, but in reality, down here on earth, I know what this city was like over 20 years ago, and I dread a return to those conditions.

Mar. 21 2013 10:23 AM
USCDADNYC from Queens NY

Would Council Members Quinn & J. Williams tolerate an IG in their Office?

Mar. 21 2013 10:23 AM
Douglas Davis from Manhattan

The largest PD in the country without an IG? Not only overdue but criminal in it's absence.

Mar. 21 2013 10:21 AM
Leo from queens

Brian, you should not be making light of this - This is about real lives and real families that are being terrorized by the NYPD.

This is while the mayor and commissioner ignore human rights abuses.

You should try to have the mayor or commissioner and ask them why is there an insistence that the only way to stop and question individuals is by having police officers dressed as thugs just approaching people. There is a place for undercover surveillance and has been done historically and no one is asking the mayor to do a 180 in terms of how the police dept functions. We are asking for reforms that are smart.
This is unnecessarily endangering civilians AND police officers. The death and injuries of half the police officers killed in the last 12 years could have been prevented.

Brian, you need to stop politicizing this discussion. Politics plays into this - but this is an URGENT matter that is affecting real human lives. YOu are using Bloomberg's ploy to distract from the conversation by making accusations that distract from the real issue

Mar. 21 2013 10:18 AM
Hank Linhart from Gowanus/ Brooklyn

Just as the US government has civilian control over the military - separating those entrusted to protect us from oversight control - this makes sense to have oversight control. Obama stood against the invasion of Iraq and was elected with this policy announced and subsequently withdrew the troops. Stop and Frisk needs independent review.

Mar. 21 2013 10:15 AM
Robert from NYC

YES, plainly and simply put. And Thug Kelly should not be kept on as Quinn said she'd keep him. And some training should be improved for the police. The NYPD has become the private security organization of this Mayor and appears to be in a sphere above the people they're supposed to protect who is ALL of us not just those of us (you not me) who are of the 1%, maybe 3%. The police respond differently to residents of different areas of the city. Some get special treatment others get treated like trash.
This mayor may have come from humble beginnings, as it were, but he's so far from those and those of the citizens who are still in "humble" situations. Police need to learn how to deal with everyone. They don't now.

Mar. 21 2013 10:15 AM
john from office

Mr. Williams is a cop hating thug. Looking for attention, mommy raised him to think he is smart and a prince. He is neither.

Maybe he can have the Crips and bloods on the panel too.

Brian, get another everyday guest PLEASE, tired of mr, Williams.

Mar. 21 2013 10:14 AM
Sara from Bushwick

This kind of thing happens way too often with the NYPD, better oversight is absolutely needed.

http://gothamist.com/2013/03/19/driver_hits_cyclist_in_bike_lane_an.php

Mar. 21 2013 10:12 AM
fuva from harlemworld

Please clarify how effective this EG can be if under the thumb of commissioner and/or Mayor.

Mar. 21 2013 10:12 AM
Leo from Queens

The NYPD needs a top to bottom, bottom up review and reform to professionalize and turn the NYPD into a real police force that protects NYC residents based on our laws civil and human rights protections.

The NYPD is currently a paramilitary repressive spy agency. The arrogance of Mr. Bloomberg that the reason crime has dropped is only because of illegal searches and human right abuses by under cover police officers dressed as thugs shows he is clueless and does not understand that people in poor neighborhoods are living in terror as their kids are being hunted down while the police does nothing to address crime. (Rape, beatings against women, gun trafficking, human tracking, theft, prostitution, etc.)

Mar. 21 2013 10:05 AM
simpsonsmovieblew

Why not lean into this idea? Nobody would be more qualified to scrutinize police behavior than a committee of actual felons.

Mar. 21 2013 09:05 AM

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