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PBS Investigates: After Newtown

Friday, February 22, 2013

Hari Sreenivasan, digital correspondent for PBS Newshour, and director of digital partnerships, talks about the PBS project "After Newtown," airing this week.

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Comments [33]

@RUCB_Alum

"The prime facie case against Nancy L has been made. . . ."

You go on to make the kind of "Post hoc ergo propter hoc" argument that would fail to start a fire with a gasoline soaked witch at a 17th century Salem barbecue.
Even though an audacious jump to conclusions, without the official police report, allows the righteous their proper place at the front of the mob (and allows the creative writers the widest choice among potential facts and circumstances in creating their lurid scenarios) it is all so much "truther" rhetoric until we have the police report.

Has anyone read anything about when this police report is scheduled for completion, or are PBS Frontline Specials all we should expect?

Feb. 25 2013 01:14 AM

@geTaylor:

The prime facie case against Nancy L has been made. Her son used weapons she purchased on his rampage. IF Nancy L had kept her guns at the gun range or in a gunsafe - not a case, nor storage locker nor trigger-locked, then Adam could not have used them for anything. That's the responsibility part of the Second Amendment that the gun rights side keeps trying to dodge. If you have a right to own deadly weapons, you also have the responsibility for their wise use and (less so) their misuse. Nancy L failed to do this and I would certainly want to see her charged as an accessory if she were alive.

Feb. 24 2013 11:27 AM

Could one of the comments' moderators delete two of the inadvertent copies of my comment made on Feb. 23rd at approximately 1:00AM.

My apologies for the duplications.

Feb. 23 2013 01:08 AM

Is the "Other Side" allowed to respond?

http://www.thepoliceloophole.com/

"This is a list of companies that have taken the step to publicly announce that they will not sell items to states, counties, cities, and municipalities that restrict their citizens rights to own them; therefore closing the "police loophole" themselves."

[Hearing from representatives of this list might be a diverting substitute for the lack of public legislative hearings and debate as Cuomo seeks to impose:

First - His vision of what the ordinary citizen should be allowed to have in the realm of firearms and associated equipment;

Second - The necessary exceptions ("loopholes") to the hurried, limitations so that active duty police officers, off-duty police officers, and retired police officers and their families (as well as lesser known variants of peace officers e.g., bridge and tunnel toll collectors and designated post office employees, government executives, judges, district attorneys, lawyers, and their families) continue to have the legal right to enjoy the protection afforded by "high" (over 7 shot) capacity magazines.

[I wonder how many high capacity magazine "carriers" will actually be excepted from the "common sense" gun control regime rules?] ;-)

Feb. 23 2013 01:01 AM

Is the "Other Side" allowed to respond?

http://www.thepoliceloophole.com/

"This is a list of companies that have taken the step to publicly announce that they will not sell items to states, counties, cities, and municipalities that restrict their citizens rights to own them; therefore closing the "police loophole" themselves."

[Hearing from representatives of this list might be a diverting substitute for the lack of public legislative hearings and debate as Cuomo seeks to impose:

First - His vision of what the ordinary citizen should be allowed to have in the realm of firearms and associated equipment;

Second - The necessary exceptions ("loopholes") to the hurried, limitations so that active duty police officers, off-duty police officers, and retired police officers and their families (as well as lesser known variants of peace officers e.g., bridge and tunnel toll collectors and designated post office employees, government executives, judges, district attorneys, lawyers, and their families) continue to have the legal right to enjoy the protection afforded by "high" (over 7 shot) capacity magazines.

[I wonder how many high capacity magazine "carriers" will actually be excepted from the "common sense" gun control regime rules?] ;-)

Feb. 23 2013 01:00 AM

Is the "Other Side" allowed to respond?

http://www.thepoliceloophole.com/

"This is a list of companies that have taken the step to publicly announce that they will not sell items to states, counties, cities, and municipalities that restrict their citizens rights to own them; therefore closing the "police loophole" themselves."

[Hearing from representatives of this list might be a diverting substitute for the lack of public legislative hearings and debate as Cuomo seeks to impose:

First - His vision of what the ordinary citizen should be allowed to have in the realm of firearms and associated equipment;

Second - The necessary exceptions ("loopholes") to the hurried, limitations so that active duty police officers, off-duty police officers, and retired police officers and their families (as well as lesser known variants of peace officers e.g., bridge and tunnel toll collectors and designated post office employees, government executives, judges, district attorneys, lawyers, and their families) continue to have the legal right to enjoy the protection afforded by "high" (over 7 shot) capacity magazines.

[I wonder how many high capacity magazine "carriers" will actually be excepted from the "common sense" gun control regime rules?] ;-)

Feb. 23 2013 12:59 AM
dlmc from Brooklyn

PBS should not be publicly funded. Functioning as part of Obama campaign against guns is not impartial or mainstream.

Feb. 22 2013 08:13 PM

" . . . Bloomberg’s office pointed us to a 1997 study by the National Institute of Justice on who owns guns and how they use them.The researchers estimated that about 40 percent of all firearm sales took place through people other than licensed dealers. They based their conclusion on data from a 1994 survey of more than 2,500 households. But it’s important to note that of the 2,568 households surveyed, only 251 people answered the question about the origin of their gun. . . . "

(I wish there was some way to emphasize that last sentence.)

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jul/25/michael-bloomberg/mayor-michael-bloomberg-says-40-percent-guns-are-s/

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/165476.pdf

Feb. 22 2013 02:36 PM

@RUCB_Alum:

Does anyone know when the "official report" (my assumption is that a police department is compiling one), on the circumstances comprising the Newtown killings, will be released? Whether or not it merely provides grist for the "Truther" mill or insights into solutions that we all can agree upon it would help to supply a reliable reference for the assertions that are presently "unsourced" and "unverified".
e.g., "How did Ms. Lanza store her firearms?"
"Were they usually locked up?"
"Did her son, Adam, have a prior history of getting those guns
without her permission?"

Seems to be the kind of things you need to know before concluding whether or not she should be charged with a crime.

Feb. 22 2013 01:32 PM
Sarah

John A: I guess you didn't understand my sarcastic comment. I meant nobody did a background check on our current Murder-in-Chief before he got hold of weapons to murder innocent civilians with in Asia.

Feb. 22 2013 01:04 PM

Nikolai, the Lanza kid's mother purchased all the weapons in their house that the Lanza kid used + those that he left in the house when he went to the school.

Feb. 22 2013 12:15 PM
Roy from Queens

jgarbuz from Queens "I choose to protect CHILDREN and let adults protect themselves! That's why they are called adults! Children need protection and are not getting it! That's the problem, not guns. Divorced people in particular put themselves first before their children. Children need protection."

"I sincerely doubt that more gun laws will not make children in schools any safer. The only rational solution, as the NRA states, is to have well trained marshals in the schools. I think if there is to be a law, it should be that schools be required to have at least one well trained guard for every 50 to 500 students. A guard who will be paid like a teacher and will be required to constantly upgrade his or her skills just as a teacher is required to do. The only thing that can stand between a "bad guy with a gun" and the helpless kids, is a well trained "good guy or gal with a gun."

So we make our schools like prisons by putting armed security? Parents (and I don't think you are one) do want their children protected, but they don't want them to be treated like future criminals while learning their ABCs and 123s. There has to be realistic gun regulation and responsible gun ownership.

Feb. 22 2013 12:07 PM

Not satisfactory at all. {;-(

Ques.: Where does the "40% of firearms are purchased/transferred without lawful background checks" statistic come from?

Ans.: "EVERYBODY", i.e., the Obama administration and the "Brady" advocates, says this is true, and, seemingly as important, the NRA does not agree with that statistic.

An example of the investigative value of WNYC pseudo-journalism?

What would anyone contribute for that feckless effort to uncover the basis of public rumor?

(BTW: The producer for this show and the "VOICE" should send a MAC Pro to "amalgam from NYC by day, NJ by night" for listing a link http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jul/25/michael-bloomberg/mayor-michael-bloomberg-says-40-percent-guns-are-s/
that leads to the over 15 year old telephone survey which may or may not justify the "40% without a background check" assertion
https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/165476.pdf.

Not satisfactory at all, Mr. Lehrer. {;-(

Feb. 22 2013 12:02 PM
jgarbuz from Queens

To TP

I choose to protect CHILDREN and let adults protect themselves! That's why they are called adults! Children need protection and are not getting it! That's the problem, not guns. Divorced people in particular put themselves first before their children. Children need protection.

Feb. 22 2013 11:43 AM
TP

I don't care if it's an ex-husband or ex-wife. I'm for protecting everyone, adults and children. And why would someone want to shoot up an SS office - why would someone want to shoot up a post office? but it happens. what good is it protecting a kid when the kid's parent works in an SS office. your point just holds no water. ya can't pick and chose who to protect and who not to protect. That's why arming anyone is a senseless and wrong answer.

Feb. 22 2013 11:28 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

To TP

First of all, stop insulting my name. Second why would an ex-hubbie and not an ex-wife do so? Why would anyone want to shoot up a social security office? And if so, what's the loss? I care about protecting childen in schools, not bureaucrats in social security offices. Let them have guns to protect themselves. Children can't do so.

Feb. 22 2013 11:17 AM
TP

jgarbage, we take your advice, and then the next time a crazy husband goes into an SS office and shoots up the X and others, we'd have to move all that equipment back to the SS office. you're ideas are wacko, man. expensive too. Not to mention totally unrealistic.

Feb. 22 2013 11:12 AM
John A

Sarah,
The (background) check on drones is congressional and supreme court review. And, boy, could that process possibly take longer than it already has? Something that has 0 energy takes infinite time. Thanks Congress for wasting important energy on not making laws.

Feb. 22 2013 11:00 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

To TP

I was recently at my region Social Security office for the first time in many years, and we had virtually strip and go through all those detectors and armed guards were everywhere! And was thinking, WHY? Who is going to blow up a social security office? For what? If a terrorist is going to strike, why a social security office. There were at least a half dozen guards that I saw, and all those scanners and detectors. And for WHAT? It was better protected than any bank, and certainly better than any school I've ever seen.Take that equipment out of the Social Security offices and put them into the schools, where our most important asset, our children, are warehoused every day and totally defenseless!

Feb. 22 2013 10:59 AM
Nikolai Burlakoff from Ossining

The way Australia solves the issue of gun sales to strangers is by having a requirements of 2 live witnesses giving character references for the intended buyer. The Lanza kid would have never been able to to purchase a gun under that rule.

Feb. 22 2013 10:52 AM
TP

"The only rational solution..." Really??? No. That's a big fat lie. There are tons of other smaller solutions that are better than recreating a whole new layer of bigger government. Imagine what kind of infrastructure that would be needed to put guards in every school. You can't propose that and in the next breath say that you're all for smaller government. That's big blatant hypocrisy.

Feb. 22 2013 10:51 AM

If Nancy L were alive to be charged as an accessory, I would want her so charged. wouldn't you? Her loose gun safety procedures enabled her son's deadly plans.

Unreported stolen guns and inappropriate, unsecured storage of guns is the problem in this particular case. The national gun violence issue is best handled by the number of illegal or unregistered handguns among the citizens. Reducing the number of handguns is the fastest path to stemming the carnage.

Ending Newtown-type mass shootings and limiting handguns among the citizens are two separate issues AND there is no solution that will end the problem. We CAN reduce the carnage. I doubt that we can ever end it.

Feb. 22 2013 10:49 AM
amalgam from NYC by day, NJ by night

Here's Politifact on the "Mayor Michael Bloomberg says 40 percent of guns are sold without a background check."

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jul/25/michael-bloomberg/mayor-michael-bloomberg-says-40-percent-guns-are-s/

Feb. 22 2013 10:48 AM
Eddy from Chicago, IL

Marvin Gaye was shot by his father (Marvin Gaye, Sr) with a gun that was a gift.

Feb. 22 2013 10:48 AM
Amy from Manhattan

Would universal background checks cover buying a gun as a gift for another person? I'm not talking about straw purchases. I mean buying a gun w/the intention of giving it as a present. Can the background check be made to apply to the person the gun would be given to, & how would that work?

Feb. 22 2013 10:47 AM
Sarah

Look what happens when someone gets control of weapons without a background check. (Or did Obama have a background check?)

Obama's Drone War on innocent civilians in Asia
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/14/public-editor/questions-on-drones-unanswered-still.html

"The Bureau of Investigative Journalism in Britain has estimated that, in the first three years after President Obama took office, between 282 and 535 civilians were credibly reported killed by drone strikes — including more than 60 children."

http://droneswatch.org/2013/01/20/list-of-children-killed-by-drone-strikes-in-pakistan-and-yemen/

http://www.democracynow.org/2013/1/22/dirty_wars_jeremy_scahill_and_rick

"We’re looking right now at a reality that President Obama has essentially extended the very [drone war] policies that many of his supporters once opposed under President Bush," says Scahill."

Feb. 22 2013 10:45 AM
John A

Do Pulitzers go to TV shows? I hope this series makes it.

Feb. 22 2013 10:44 AM
Truth & Beauty from Brooklyn

There have been shootings in this country EVERY DAY since Newtown with both legal and illegal guns. When will the NRA realize that it is not guns that kill people, nor people who kill people, but people with guns who kill people?

If people who support the 2nd Amendment want to have guns, they can have one musket each. Period.

Feb. 22 2013 10:43 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

I sincerely doubt that more gun laws will not make children in schools any safer. The only rational solution, as the NRA states, is to have well trained marshals in the schools. I think if there is to be a law, it should be that schools be required to have at least one well trained guard for every 50 to 500 students. A guard who will be paid like a teacher and will be required to constantly upgrade his or her skills just as a teacher is required to do. The only thing that can stand between a "bad guy with a gun" and the helpless kids, is a well trained "good guy or gal with a gun."

Feb. 22 2013 10:42 AM
Dorothy from Manhattan

NRA "clients" are gun manufacturers. NRA deflects attention from manufacturers so it doesn't matter how nutty NRA sounds. NRA members are just easy for NRA to manipulate.

Feb. 22 2013 10:41 AM
John A.

PBS Newshour. Its the Brian Lehrer and All Things Considered after sundown.
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Cars can't transfer without State involvement, so the same for guns, right?

Feb. 22 2013 10:39 AM
TomP

How my thinking has changed: stop trying to ban semi-auto guns and high magazine clips. Instead, require insurance and registration for every gun just like a car. Require training and testing every few years just like your drivers license. Just like a car, you can't sell your gun to someone else without transferring the papers. And, no gun is allowed off your property unless you are part of a "well regulated militia". If you conceal and carry it better be for the purpose of overthrowing the govt, which is treason.

Feb. 22 2013 10:38 AM
Peg

What EXACTLY is entailed in a private/universal backround check?????

Feb. 22 2013 10:38 AM

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