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Mischief in Michigan

Tuesday, January 15, 2008

With only Hilary Clinton on the ballot in today’s Michigan primary, how should Michigan Democrats vote? Progressive blog DailyKos suggests they choose Mitt Romney to keep the Republican race competitive. DailyKos contributing editor Dana Houle and Detroit Free Press reporter Chris Kristoff talk about that strategy and how the contest may play out.

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Comments [20]

L. Brown from NYC

I would have liked to call today to express my support for Ron Paul. I am a life-long democrat and do not agree with everything Ron Paul advocates, however I do respect his integrity and am tired of politicians who say what they do not mean or say whatever the polls tell them to say just long enough to get into office so that they can follow someone else's agenda and not the people's agenda which put them into office in the first place.

I don't believe that Ron Paul would get into office and then start radicalizing the government as some have said but I do think that he would begin to make some much needed changes in our government.

Jan. 15 2008 05:56 PM
Leon Freilich from Park Slope

HILLARY-OBAMA SOLUTION

The Dems have a woman and a black

At odds--Why not a hope ra-

dicalizing fusion of the two

In the winning person of Oprah?

Jan. 15 2008 11:58 AM
rich costey from brooklyn

The reason why Ron Paul wants to do away with the Fed is because it is actually a private institution, and as a result the american people are forced to pay interest to private bankers to print their own money. Thomas Jefferson was always against a central bank, as was Andrew Jackson and many others. The fed did not come into being until the early part of the 20th century.

Jan. 15 2008 10:49 AM
libertarian closed borders from nyc

Is totally consistent.

Libertarian societies must control who enters their borders or they are vulnerable to those who aren't libertarians!

(One could view our Constitution and its Bill of Rights as an attempt to codify this. Both as a statement of how we would differ from Britain and as a way of hoping future immigrants would "self-select" for these preferences. THIS, in fact, is the danger of our current, porous border policy ...economic migrants who come here illegally aren't by birth or ascription of values, American.)

Sorry your guest can't see this; his immigration policy must be colored by self-interest.

Jan. 15 2008 10:42 AM
paulb from Prospect Heights, Brooklyn

The problems in Detroit. They're a perfect storm of bad company management, bad union leadership, and bad national trade policy. At a time when the dollar has declined in value, how could that Chinese SUV sell for so little if China weren't manipulating the value of the yuan deliberately to maintain their level of exports? It's not all wages.

Jan. 15 2008 10:34 AM
Matthew Miles from Mid town

This notion smacks of the kind of subversive ideals on which our country was founded and meant to limit. Is this true democracy at work, to vote for whom you wish to fail?

Jan. 15 2008 10:31 AM
Jeffrey Slott from East Elmhurst

Gee, what a "mature" idea: urging democrats to vote for a republican to screw things up. Did the jerks at the Daily Kos ever consider that what one side can do to the other may be used by that other side when it suits their best interests? This idea is almost as juvenile and self-defeating as the moronic National Democratic muckity-mucks declaring that no delegates from Michigan will be allowed to vote at the Democratic convention.

Jan. 15 2008 10:30 AM
ali from ny

i'd suggest that if the democratic primary voters, effectively shut out of their own primary, really want to knock the republicans for a loop they should vote for ron paul. a victory for him would send a shudder through both parties.

Jan. 15 2008 10:30 AM
Gary from Manhattan

Brian,

Rather than this silly DailyKos nonsense, why don't you lift the hood and really cover how candidates are "truly" selected? See http://www.nysun.com/article/69414

Gary

Jan. 15 2008 10:26 AM
nycerbarb from Brooklyn

I was listening to another talk show yesterday, discussing this issue. A democratic party person from Michigan called and said they are encouraging people to vote "Uncommitted" in the democratic primary so that Edwards and Obama reps. be able to go to the convention.

Jan. 15 2008 10:25 AM
Carl from East Village

The typical theory for cross-party primary voting is to vote for a candidate who would be ultimately easier to beat in the general election.

But I just don't get the point of just making life for difficult and expensive for the republicans? I see some humor in it, but not that much. What am I missing?

Jan. 15 2008 10:24 AM
AGarzon from ny

The democrats are in trouble. There is a very good chance that the republicans will win this election, particularly if McCain is the candidate. I have been talking to friends in Arizona and pennsylvania and they will have n o choice but to vote for Mccain if obama is the democratic candidate. I will do the same as well as those people that we know here in NY. This would be the first time that I would vote republican!

Jan. 15 2008 10:21 AM
M from Brooklyn, NY

Aside from this, Ron Paul refuses to return money he got from a white supremacist campaign donor. These issues need to be discussed.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/06/02/ron_paul/

In 1992, a copy of his newsletter, the Ron Paul Survival Report, criticized the judicial system in Washington, D.C., before adding, "I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal." Under a section headlined "Terrorist Update," the following sentence ran, "If you have ever been robbed by a black teenaged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be."

But in a 2001 interview with Texas Monthly, he said he had never written or approved those words for his own newsletter.

Jan. 15 2008 10:20 AM
Paulo from Paterson, New Jersey

Elections are a joke anyway... why not do whatever it takes to win?

Jan. 15 2008 10:16 AM
hjs from 11211

i think open primaries should be done away with!

Jan. 15 2008 10:14 AM
morality or ethics? from nyc


mucking up?

monkey wrenching?

How about asking an ethicist to be on your panel?

Or, is ANY tactic justified in getting one's way?

It is a slippery slope...

Sad day for America, Brian.

Jan. 15 2008 10:14 AM
Paulo from Paterson, New Jersey

How about..."only Hillary Clinton, among the viable candidates, is on the ballot in today's Michigan primary"?

Jan. 15 2008 10:04 AM
Robert from NYC

You see, there you go again,"only Hillary Clinton [is] on the ballot in today’s Michigan primary" when in fact Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel are both also on the ballot. So what qualifies you as a news agency and not a promoter of Hillary Clinton? This is a slap in the face to voters/listeners and I think you ought to apologize, frankly and then correct your statement! Public Radio has become mainstream and commercial as "real" commercial radio and news with toned-down commercials, nonetheless commercials. There is no difference between you and CNN and ABC anymore, we get the exact same information or lack of information and, AND in almost the same exact syntax! Is one person preparing everybody's script?

Jan. 15 2008 09:55 AM
Paulo from Paterson, New Jersey

I'm going to find it amusing when the main-stream media announces Hillary's "landslide victory" in Michigan.

Jan. 15 2008 09:43 AM
Paulo from Paterson, New Jersey

Romney has said himself he's running on nepotism in Michigan. The fact that he actually said that his parents' names were better than his name would ever be really sums up right there whether this man should be nominated let alone elected President.

Jan. 15 2008 09:38 AM

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