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FDNY Test Results

Thursday, November 29, 2007

Shayana Kadidal, senior attorney at the Center for Constitutional Rights, and Michael Aronson, member of the editorial board of the New York Daily News, discuss whether the firefighter qualifying exam still discriminates against Black and Latino applicants.

Guests:

Michael Aronson and Shayana Kadidal

Comments [4]

Jesse from Suffolk

Hello I listen to wnyc almost every day and love the job you guys do. I took the FDNY test in 2007 and scored a 97.6 with no residency credit because I live in suffolk county. I drove into brooklyn for the study sessions and put in a lot of study time, effort and some money to take the test and achieve my high score. I did not see anything that could be construed as discriminatory on this written test. It was a basic entry level test. If you dont do well on a test like this I feel you shouldnt have a job that peoples lives depend on. How is it fair to me that my test score has been thrown out? What about the money I paid to take the test and for gas to and from the test site and study sessions? I understand the percentage of black firefighters does not represent the city of ny. But I dont think it is the written test that is discriminatory. I have yet to hear one good explanation as to how it is. I took the new test as well and think it has been really dumbed down. The test asked me if I found the recruiter visiting my house, neighborhood, local mall, radio stations, etc. I had to answer no because I didnt get any of those things. I dont think it is fair to whites and people that live outside the five boroughs that they recruit one race over another or give one group 5 residency points just on the basis they live in the 5 boroughs. So if you are white and live outside the city you are at a disadvantage?? And all this talk about compensating 128M in back pay to minorities. What about me? I took the test, did well and they just threw it away. Where is my compensation and 5 points?? Enough is enough. I find all this outrageous and discouraging.

May. 10 2012 10:12 PM
Dennis from Brooklyn

African americans need to undertand that the only person holding them down and hurting them is themselves. Academic achievment needs to become the "cool" way instead of self destruction. We all know it and until it occurs whites will contiue to perform better than us on simple tests. Go to schoold and stop complaining and learn to learn and you will rise to the top.

Feb. 08 2008 06:06 PM
Rory Allen from Bay Shore NY

As was discussed in the show the test was altered but generally had a similar pass fail representation based from the pool taking the test. What dramatically changed were the entrance qualifications for taking the test. College level credits were not part of the standards to take the test. The significances of cognitive level tests or for that matter college credits in depicting future abilities of a firefighter could be debated. Removing easily attainable goals that promote self improvement in order to satiate quotas is expecting less of your general population. In an age were college level education is tantamount to the high school education of past generations removing standards that better your pool of applicants pass or fail is a tragedy.

Nov. 29 2007 05:38 PM
Steve from Brooklyn

The bottom line is that the New York city fire department is one of best and most technologically advanced in the world. It works as is. Why lower standards such as the college credit requirement to attract candidates? Why dumb down the department? Candidates should be more educated with this new technology not less. Of course minorities should be encouraged to apply, but in the absence of blatant discrimination, and none has been proven, why is there such a desperation to diversify? Why does evey department have to reflect the exact demographics of the city? It would be a shame to compromise the quality of a first rate department only to satisfy a politically correct directive.

Nov. 29 2007 12:13 PM

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