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Rob Astorino on Sandy Recovery and Westchester Guns

Tuesday, January 08, 2013

Volunteers delivering food to their neighbors on Staten Island in the aftermath of Sandy. (John Moore/Getty)

Rob Astorino, Westchester county executive, discusses how Westchester is recovering from Sandy and how federal assistance may help. Plus, Astorino reacts to the Journal-News "gun map".

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Comments [47]

Stan Zuray from Tanana, Alaska

Saw the reference on the last comment ("I was buying into the no reason for hunters to use "assault" rifles, until i started watching "Alaska: the last frontier", '"Yukon Men" or"Alaska State Police" on the Discovery channel. All the homesteaders in Alaska carried semi-automatic" assault "rifles, even when hunting")and thought I'd comment.
Today as well as when I came to Alaska to live in an interior village on the Yukon River 40 years ago, many persons hunt with semi auto 223 cal rifles. The majority of them are being called assault rifles now. Leaving the anti gun debate to more educated persons, the fact is they make very good hunting guns. They are often well made and the 223 caliber is very suited to any animal up to caribou and while I prefer a larger rifle many use it for moose and bear. Ammo is smaller so cheaper and the larger capacity of the magazine simply means one carries all the bullets in one place while one is out for days as is often the case. It does not mean it takes 15 or 30 rounds to hunt a single animal. The world may find in it's "wisdom" that these guns are not to be owned but don't think for one minute they have no place in the woods. They are excelent survival tools. Stan Zuray

Jan. 31 2013 04:27 AM
William from Manhattan

Wow, this Journal-News "gun map" story has become a real bee in Brian Lehrer's bonnet. What is the root of this obsession to attack the Journal-News Constitutionally protected right to publish public information on gun ownership? Honestly, I don't care if Brian is a gun owner, if he is. (The only reason I can fathom for this bizarre anti-journalism crusade.) Just step away from this attack on First Amendment rights, and give the Journal-News space to develop this important public service.

Jan. 08 2013 09:04 PM

I called in on Monday at the beginning of Brian's Show to inform him and WNYC that the information he was passing on and discussing was incorrect. The call screener taking the call said they had to fact check my information and would correct WNYC info once they had done so. Well over 24 hours has passed and i see another poster has also posted the correct info early in this comments section and i hear the same incorrect info being passed on again today. To all the people who have posted on this comment's section that they can now check and make sure there are no guns in a child's playmates house, your child is still in jeopardy. It would be better to speak to the parent, as they may own guns and have a secure gun safe or quality gun locks on their rifles and the ammunition is stored in a separate locked location.
The true facts are the owners of long arms do not need a permit and they are not represented on the map, unless they own a handgun also.
I believe in Wash DC it has already been established last year that any person without a dangerous background is constitutional allowed to keep a handgun in their home.
In Westchester you do not need a permit to buy or own or possess in your home a legal Rifle or Shotgun. however there are limitations, certain criminals (specific categories) and specific classes of dangerous mentally ill people, are also not allowed to possess, own or buy these guns. I am pretty sure there is a waiting period between application and physical possession of the Long gun. Verification of the legal requirements is easily obtained by having a Westchester gun store fax you the application, or point you to the County or State web site which list all the qualifications that a person must meet.
Mayor Blomberg should put his money where his mouth is and refuse to have any armed security personnel when he leaves office.
I personally think the violent video games is a real problem, and i refuse to buy any toy guns for my grandchildren, as both teach items teach children to point guns at others.
I was buying into the no reason for hunters to use "assault" rifles, until i started watching "Alaska: the last frontier", '"Yukon Men" or"Alaska State Police" on the Discovery channel . All the homesteaders in Alaska carried semi-automatic" assault "rifles, even when hunting, as the other predators could smell the Kill from miles away and they would have to protect their kill and themselves from the wolves, black, and grizzle bears. The State Police carry the new type AR-15 dam maybe more powerful rifles due to the large and aggressive predators

Jan. 08 2013 07:54 PM

Criminals doing their "homework"??

Almost all criminals are criminals BECAUSE they NEVER learned to do their homework!!

The few criminals that did learn to do their homework are called BANKERS. And, those F*ks have already been to your house!!

The notion that "criminals" will be studying demographics and statistics to calculate their next home invasion or hold-up is PAINFULLY ABSURD!!

Jan. 08 2013 03:18 PM

Katie from Lower East Side ~

AMEN, Katie...AMEN!!!

Jan. 08 2013 11:30 AM

The criminals that are smart enough and ambitious enough to do "research" are not WASTING their time with the very HIGH-risk avocation of home invasion.

They realize the inherent low benefit/risk ration and are busy working on better odds.

The notion is painfully STUPID!!

Jan. 08 2013 11:26 AM

One in Ten Mass Shootings Stopped by Armed Citizens; Most Mass Shootings Occur Where Guns are Banned
Tuesday, December 18, 2012

In the best published study of mass shootings, it was found that 99 had occurred between 1980 and 2010. We know that a number of mass shootings have been stopped by armed citizens. All but one of the “successful” mass shootings occurred in areas where armed citizens are banned. A comparison of mass shootings stopped by 911 response vs mass shootings stopped by citizens indicates that when citizens are able to stop the killing, they prevent 84 percent of the deaths.

Mass shooting study link
http://www.examiner.com/article/gao-8-million-ccws-feinstein-spins-report-to-oppose-nat-l-reciprocity

Jan. 08 2013 11:16 AM
kikakiki from wall street

If my gun is stored properly, i.e. locked up, with the ammo separate and an intruder enters my home, how fast am I going to unlock the storage, get the gun, load the gun and shot the intruder? If I am a hunter, hobby gun toter, why can't we have gun repositories when I'm ready to go hunting and target shooting or whatever I go to the local repository (works like banks, new industry, new jobs, new revenue) withdraw my weapon(s) go do my thing, return my weapons.

Jan. 08 2013 11:12 AM

For 65 to 120 million victims of their own governments, the pattern was:
1. Register the guns;
2. Confiscate the registered guns;
3. Kill the unarmed victims.
You are about Five-hundred-million times more likely to be killed by your own government, than by an average individual you meet.
In the 20th Century:
10,000,000,000 individual people who spent time on Earth in the 20th Century killed 18,000,000 = average 0.0018 murders per person.
Aprox. 200 national governments killed 180,000,000 of their own people = average 900,000 per government;
900,000 / 0.0018 = 500,000,000 times
An average government is 500,000,000 (Five-hundred-million) times more dangerous to its own people, than is an average individual.

Jan. 08 2013 10:59 AM

Under the regulation that requires a potential gun owner be psychologically "stable", wouldn't the desire to own a firearm AUTOMATICALLY disqualify an applicant???

Jan. 08 2013 10:57 AM
MikeInBrklyn from Clinton Hill

Mr. Astorino's claim that mental illness can be attributed to an identifiable group of people is simple not supported by past evidence. There are enough past incidents where some retired or active law enforcement officer turns his/her gun on a family member(s) or community after he or she snaps because of some crises in his / her life.

Limiting access to guns, helps minimize the potential harm any person can effect when situations in life pushes them beyond the borders that confined them within the category of the mentally sane.

Jan. 08 2013 10:56 AM

As the majority of violent criminal activity is against other criminals, I am NOT terribly concerned about being a victim of violent gun violence.

I am VERY worried about my neighbor who is poorly trained and mentally unstable (one day) who decides to exact his perception of "justice" on the world at large.

These are the scenarios I am more likely to be a victim of!!

Jan. 08 2013 10:54 AM

big magazines - If I load 5 shells of #4 birdshot into the magazine of a 12 Gauge shotgun, the magazine will contain 105 rounds of 6 mm shot. For self defense against multiple home invaders, I wouldn't want less.
The smaller the caliber, the more shots that you'd better be able to fire quickly. Under the old magazine limit, people were using larger calibers to compensate for the loss of stopping power. But that gives you more power to penetrate your neighbor's walls [not good for home defense, but needed for defense against bears].
Let me pick the right gun for my purpose.
The 30 round magazine is just the current proposed victim of the one-gun-at-a-time route to a total ban.
You can't disarm the bad people.
You shouldn't disarm the good.

Jan. 08 2013 10:53 AM
Taher from Croton on Hudson

Dan, Astorino is a Westchester political hack.

Jan. 08 2013 10:53 AM
Frank from Lindenhurst

I am surprised how the current discussion on gun control continues to be promoted by the NRA as a constitutional crisis. The all or nothing argument is a fiction. Most reasonable people accept the legal purchase, safe use and lawful transfer of guns. Punish carelessness that results in their criminal use.

Jan. 08 2013 10:52 AM
RUCB_Alum from Central New Jersey

Does Mr. Astorio have a background in law enforcement or prosecution? It seems an exercise in futility to hear a law-abiding person attempt to mimic the thinking process of a criminal. You would do far better to get some first hand evidence from actual criminals. Some felons would use the map to choose homes to burgle and some would use the map to tell them which homes to avoid. In general, criminals aren't too bright and usually pick the home that 'looks easy'. Le Chat or Alexander Mundy, they ain't.

Gun registration and more importantly certification of training before the registration is issued or a gun sale or transfer. In this way we can be fairly certain that the guns are secured from unauthorized use. Are there licensed drivers who still break the law? Of course, but imagine the number of road 'accidents' if there were no driver exams or licensing.

Jan. 08 2013 10:50 AM
Taher from Croton on Hudson

I like to recommended listeners to check out this link:
http://www.npr.org/2012/12/20/167694808/assault-style-weapons-in-the-civilian-market

Terry Gross talking to Tom Diaz, a policy analyst for the Violence Policy Center.

Jan. 08 2013 10:49 AM
Sophie from Poughkeepsie, NY

Why bother breaking into someone's home to get their gun and risk arrest? Much easier to get the gun in the black market or at a gun show.

I also know someone who has become increasingly mentally unstable through the years and has a license to carry a gun. He now has a licensed handgun and a brand new shotgun he got at Walmart.

Jan. 08 2013 10:48 AM

Mental health is FLUID!!

One day sane the next day, maybe not...

We are all a stressor away; pink slip, divorce, bankruptcy, on hold phone call with health insurance co. from sliding into the danger zone.

NONE of us should really have a gun!!!

Jan. 08 2013 10:47 AM
bob

this guy is a cock

Jan. 08 2013 10:44 AM
Taher from Croton

According to what Mr. Rob Astorino
says gun owners, who have New York State
permits, should have the right to have gun secretly.

Jan. 08 2013 10:44 AM

Let's make gun ownership a privilege and a RESPONSIBILITY. If you believe the Second Amendment suggests that the general public is part of a "well regulated militia" then if you want to own a gun you should be required to report for monthly firearm training similar to being a member of the National Guard.

What good are you and your gun if you don't train to be an effective "defender".

Jan. 08 2013 10:43 AM
Dmascarello from Armonk NY

Well, this Armonk, NY resident will not be voting for Astorino in the future based on his weak answers to Brian's questions regarding gun control.

Jan. 08 2013 10:43 AM
jean from Briarcliff, NY

You can't look up someone only by name, you have to know their address. So, if you're someone trying to find an ex-wife or girlfriend, or a police officer who helped convict you, you'd *already* have to know where they live. Correct?

Jan. 08 2013 10:42 AM
Nick from UWS

Another oily-mouthed politician who is absolutely physically incapable of answering a simple direct question with a direct answer. I am so sick of hearing these guys spin and dance around questions without ever answering them it makes me want to puke. NEXT.

Jan. 08 2013 10:42 AM
Daniel

Owning a gun comes with rights and responsibilities. Privacy is not part of those rights, nor should it be in my opinion. Gun owners who feel the need for privacy should evaluate the choices that dictate their need to keep secret weapon ownership.

Jan. 08 2013 10:42 AM
Guy from Brooklyn

Thanks Brian for giving even more air time to the NRA's (Astorino) point of view.

So proud gun owners don't want the society that allows them to arm themselves to know that they have armed themselves? Are these the same gun owners fighting for their right to parade their arms in Starbucks and bars?

Astorino's wild speculation of possible criminal acts against gun owners is just that, wild evidence-less imagination about what criminals do. But it is interesting that those who want guns to protect themselves from the threats they see everywhere are now "up in arms" about being subject to the very threat they have ostensibly secured themselves against.

Something doesn't add up here.

Jan. 08 2013 10:42 AM
Michael from Manhattan

Has Mr. Astorino ruled out the distinct possibility that it is "law-abiding citizens" who are threatening to assassinate the journalists who published the gun owner map?

Jan. 08 2013 10:41 AM
tp

Nancy Lanza was a law abiding citizen. See where that got her.

Jan. 08 2013 10:40 AM
Katie from Lower East Side

So sick of hearing about these poor rich folks in Westchester County who had their names listed in the Journal-News. Why not change the conversation & start talking about REAL gun violence in our city. Raphael Ward, a 16 year old in the Lower East Side, was killed last Friday-- shot. He was a good kid & involved in local community afterschool programs & sports.

http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20130107/lower-east-side/police-release-surveillance-video-fatal-shooting-of-16-year-old-boy

Love your show, but SO SICK of hearing the same stupid arguments about a group of privileged people getting their names printed in a newspaper. No one's dead there.

Jan. 08 2013 10:40 AM
RL

Conceal and carry is antithetical to "a well regulated militia being necessary to a free State". Outlaw C-n-C!

Jan. 08 2013 10:39 AM
Gaby from Westchester

I realize there is a targeting issue for gun theft. Conversely, as a parent and person who doesn't own a gun, I don't really mind learning which homes in my area have guns in them before I bring my children there. I'd like the opportunity to ask other parents how their guns are stored, whether they are kept unloaded and secured. I think it's relevant to me to know which of my neighbors own guns.

Jan. 08 2013 10:39 AM
Michael from Manhattan

I'm curious about why Mr. Astorino feels that gun owners were "maligned" by being identified. Does he feel that owning a gun is something to be ashamed of?

Jan. 08 2013 10:38 AM
Lindsay from New York, NY

Bravo to the newspaper!

How paranoid do people have to be to think criminals are going to use these maps? They're all parroting the NRAs line, while thinking they're producing these 'unique' opinions themselves. There haven't been any other reasons not to publish the addresses! And you know, Westchester, is such a high-crime area, there are lots of criminals breaking in everyday... /sarcasm/

Jan. 08 2013 10:38 AM
RL

Like cars, insurance should be requiared for all guns.

Also, registration and owner licensing tests both written and practice.

Jan. 08 2013 10:38 AM
Dan

Astorino needs to stop peddling his NRA inspired paranoid vision on us, and kowtowing to a few retired cops. The interests of the entire society should come first- not his special interest groups.

Jan. 08 2013 10:38 AM

Since we are more likely to be shot by someone we know I’d like to know if there’s a gun in a house my child might be playing at.

Jan. 08 2013 10:37 AM
Mike from Queens

Is there any evidence that criminals do research before committing violent crime?

Jan. 08 2013 10:37 AM
Margaret Groarke from Bronx NY

Rob Astorino is really reaching for an argument here. Why is he so sure that law-abiding gun owners aren't the ones threatening to SHOOT journalists because they work at the paper that published these addresses? Who else would it be?

Jan. 08 2013 10:37 AM
Nancy from Manhattan

Wait a minute, the NRA says that guns make people safe. So why are the gun owners afraid, they're the ones who are safe with their guns, no?

Jan. 08 2013 10:36 AM
yosif from Manhattan

After Newtown, I saw an interview on PBS Newshour where a neighbor of Nancy Lanza was shocked to learn about the weapons that were just 150 yards from her house where her kids play. Doesn't she have a right to know about something like this?

Jan. 08 2013 10:36 AM

I don't want to know who owns a single gun (it is interesting as a tool to determine who is very worried about his own safety); I DO WANT TO KNOW how many guns each one owns. If someone in my area own an arsenal, that is as important to know as whether a low-level sexual offender lives near my kids.

Jan. 08 2013 10:36 AM

Really?!?!?

"Criminals" sitting in their living rooms choosing homes to invade based on this information??

These idiots are...well, they're idiots!!

Jan. 08 2013 10:36 AM
Roy from Queens

Whether you agree or disagree with the map, there's still a problem and not a lot of people want to admit it.

Jan. 08 2013 10:36 AM
Joe from nearby

The Journal-News did the right thing. Now all the parents who's kids want to go over to a friend's house can check to see if there are any guns there, and not let their kids go.
How many accidental deaths does it take to finally empower parents to protect their own kids??

Jan. 08 2013 10:35 AM
Amy Botswain from Westchester

Yes, thank you for publishing this map. I know a lot of the permit holders are police and other public employees, but who's to say a cop can't have an unstable family member living with him? What we've learned from Newtown is that it's not just the permit holder we have to worry about.

Jan. 08 2013 10:32 AM
Andreas from Fort Lee

Thank you for publishing a map of owners with weapons in their homes. You made it so much easier for us criminals to now obtain a gun without having to go through the legal channels of either licensing or being documented during the request for this public record (just as you are now). Now I can go to these homes, commit a crime and have a spree without fear, then sell the guns on the black market.

Jan. 08 2013 10:02 AM

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