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An Armed Guard in Every School?

Wednesday, December 26, 2012

Greg Floyd, president of Teamsters Local 237 which represents NYC public school security agents, gives his reaction to the NRA's proposal to put an armed guard in every school.

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Greg Floyd

Comments [25]

rich at the shores from palm beach county, fl

why isn't anyone looking at this problem from the global prospective? amy goodman interviewed andrew feinstein, author of "the shadow world: inside the global arms trade" this morning on "democracy now". mr. feinstein talked about how the national rifle association has repeatedly pressured mr. obama into sobotaging the a proposed international treaty to regulate the global arms trade in the general assembly of the united nations. he also says there is a revolving door of personnel between the nra and relevant federal agencies.

andrew feinstein is the type of guest that should be on wnyc as well as the tv network news broadcasts. but then we might have to get into general electric's role in global arms trade. wouldn't want to do that, would we?

Dec. 26 2012 03:42 PM
Nikosini from Manhattan

I worked as a teacher in Jr HS schools in the inner city. At one school, which had an NYPD officer, the students managed to disarm him. It was done at as a joke, but it was done.
I worked at a school with metal detectors, and the children managed to sneak weapons into the school...
Get rid of the guns and grow a pair...

Dec. 26 2012 12:19 PM

@Sheldon...

I am talking criminal responsibility, not civil. Though civil responsibility could be inferred.

The Second Amendment right of gun ownership carries the responsibility of safe use. Part of safe use is secure storage so that ONLY YOU can use your weapon. If your weapon - legal or illegal - is used in an assault or crime, you bear some responsibility for not having stored the gun safely unless it can be shown that you took all the proper steps - trigger lock, gun safe, etc. - yet they were defeated. An unreported stolen or lost gun pretty much makes you a prime facie accessory, in my book.

If you cannot be responsible about the potentials involved, why do you want to own a gun?

Dec. 26 2012 11:42 AM
J.J. from Pennsylvania

How about an armed guard outside Wayne LaPierre's home to keep him IN?!

Dec. 26 2012 11:39 AM
Sheldon from Brooklyn

RUCB...on the liability of gun owners - I agree, we should also hold gun owners and manufactorers civilly responsible for their guns, if they are used in a crime and not reported stolen..The lawyers will have a field day.

Dec. 26 2012 11:23 AM
MikeInBrklyn from Clinton Hill

@Nancy In Manh ...

Fully agree with you re banning the bullets. If gun enthusiast are buying these weapons for target practice, why is live ammunition needed. Can't one have the same experience shouting rubber bullets?

Or is live ammo desired because it satisfies the sub-surface inclination of gun owners to homicidal violence?

Dec. 26 2012 11:15 AM
Michael Reilly

NYC NYC Community Education Council 31 Proposed Resolution/Plan for safety & security in NYC Schools http://t.co/ND1Kvte3

Dec. 26 2012 11:15 AM

@jgarbuz

"...HIGHLY TRAINED, expert armed guards"

Israel has a universal service commitment. If America had one, I might feel differently. Non-lethal weapons in schools? Okay...but day in, day out firearms is just asking for a bump in accidental discharges and unintended shootings. The cure would be worse than the disease.

Dec. 26 2012 10:59 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

All of this sytmbolism and "moments of silence" and all of that is just molasses. America has become really good at symbolism and crocodile tears. What we need are real life solutions, like armed guards, but those cost money. And Americans really cry sincere tears only when their wallets are touched. And honest solutions cost real money.

Dec. 26 2012 10:58 AM

Nancy L's ignoring of safe gun handling practice are the proximal cause of this disaster. Not assault weapons. Not Adam's mental state. If she had her doubts about Adam's state (as has been reported), Nancy L had a duty to the rest of us to keep her guns stored safely, i.e. Adam couldn't get his hands on them.

I reiterate my previous comment, we need to amend the Constitution to restrict ownership to those citizens who have passed a safe gun handling practices course. In addition, I would back criminal prosecution, as an accessory, for every gunowner whose weapon is used in a crime. Stolen or lost weapons would need to be reported within 48 hours.

Dec. 26 2012 10:53 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

You can change all the laws in the world, and even overturn the second amendment, and won't change anything. Laws mean nothing.

We need HIGHLY TRAINED, expert armed guards to protect our most vital resource, our children.

Dec. 26 2012 10:53 AM
The Truth from Becky

No, no point, too much down time, they would not be on high alert and not prepared....BAN assault rifle/ammunition sales in the US.

Dec. 26 2012 10:52 AM
MikeInBrklyn from Clinton Hill

This mental / psychological testing meme is a canard.

Receiving license for a gun should be the exception not the norm.

Dec. 26 2012 10:46 AM
lisa from brooklyn

what about mace spray? instead of a tazer? you need to get upclose to use a tazer. mace is something you can use from a distance.

Dec. 26 2012 10:45 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

To RUCB-Alum

Yes, I want to add $200,000 to the cost of running every school house! We expend $11,000 per student already on average annually. To expend an additional $1,000 year insurance to hopefully deter and save the lives of our MOST PRECIOUS RESOURCE is a cost I certainly believe we can and MUST bear! Protecting what resource is more important than protecting our children?
I lived in israel where every school, every shopping mall, every movie house has an armed guard who was trained in the IDF.

The problem with America is that everything is reduced to dollars and cents, but not common sense! The cost of burying those 26 victims alone is going to cost more than one years cost of two HIGHLY TRAINED armed guards!

Dec. 26 2012 10:45 AM
Sheldon from Brooklyn

@RUCB, I'm not sure it will cost that much, even if it did - are you saying that our kids are not worth it?

Dec. 26 2012 10:44 AM
Jeff Pappas from Ct

BTW the maniacs Mom bought the guns

Dec. 26 2012 10:41 AM
Douglas Schoenberg from Essex county NJ

Mr. Floyd's position is eminently reasonbable.
Shame on you Brian! The NRA proposal is inherently unreasonable & does NOT merit serious discussion on your show. Republicans (& their fellow travelers) have used scare tactics to manipulate US pulbic opinion for decades & this is just one more example! I graduated from NYC schools: who could imagine how destructive to their education mission it would be to have armed guards who wouldn't prevent Newtown type event anyhow!

Dec. 26 2012 10:41 AM
Nancy from Manhattan

Assault weapons won't work without bullets.

Ban selling the bullets.

If that's impossible for some reason, require each bullet or round to be registered to a specific purchaser, who must have a license and insurance. And tax each bullet or round SO heavily (to cover the cost of police investigation, clean up, and damages payable to victims or their families) that getting lots of rounds would be financially impossible (for mostly everyone at least). And send the person to whom the bullets were registered to jail if bullets registered to them are used in a violent crime.

Dec. 26 2012 10:38 AM

@jgarbuz - You want to add $200K for each and every school...And who pays those additional taxes, healthcare and pension bennies? A tax on guns and ammo? I doubt it.

Trying to 'blame' assault weapons is a deadend. There are too many guns already in America for this too work. Defining classes of 'outlawed' weapons just creates a motivation for gunmakers to get creative. I fundamentally agree that battlefield weapons should be restricted. But I also feel that handguns are far too prevalent.

We need to amend the Second Amendment to restrict ownership to those trained in their safe use and storage.

Dec. 26 2012 10:38 AM

it would never be “An Armed Guard in Every School”. It would be one at every door, plus extra for sick days and coffee breaks.
And one on every school bus too?
Silly idea.

Dec. 26 2012 10:37 AM
Jeff Pappas from Ct

The main issue is mental health. Assault weapon is kinda semantic twist. A shotgun would of done the same thing
No fully automatic machine guns are available to general public
How about metal detectors in schools and let us wear our shoes at the Airport
If you ban a clip size the maniac will just carry more
Also in hunting deer etc you don't want to just wound it and let it suffer as it hobbles away

Dec. 26 2012 10:37 AM
Sheldon from Brooklyn

The guest does not understand that not all "semi-automatic" weapons are "assault" weapons.

Dec. 26 2012 10:32 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

I fully support every school having one or two HIGHLY qualified, very well trained armed guards (not rent-a-cops), and paid the same as teachers, be an integral part of every school. The same as having one or two extra teachers.

There are 300 million guns out there already. They are not going to be rounded up. We must protect our children at least as well as we protect our banks and other infrastructure.

Dec. 26 2012 10:31 AM
Sheldon from Brooklyn

I wonder if the NRA thinks that every fireman should now be armed?

Dec. 26 2012 10:25 AM

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