Newtown Shooting: The Monday After

Monday, December 17, 2012

Angels hang from a tree outside of St. Rose Church in Newtown, Conn., after the deadly shooting at nearby Sandyhook Elementary School. Angels hang from a tree outside of St. Rose Church in Newtown, Conn., after the deadly shooting at nearby Sandyhook Elementary School. (Stephen Nessen/WNYC)

We continue to cover the latest news from Newtown, CT, where 27 people were killed in a mass shooting. With:


Dr. Alex Afshar, Richard Blumenthal, Richard Hake, John Larson and Evan Osnos

Comments [160]


In 1982, Kennesaw, Georgia, a city north of Atlanta in Cobb county, signed a bill into law stating that the head of every household in kennesaw must own a firearm and have ammunition for it. Since that bill was enacted, there have been a total of 4 homicides, the lowest homicide rate of any city in the country. Of those 4 deaths, 3 took place in "gun free zones" where law abiding citizens were disarmed and left unprotected from violent criminals. Violent criminals do not care whether an area is a gun free zone or not, they also do not care whether owning an assault rifle is illegal or not, they will still commit crimes whether it is legal to own a firearm or not.

Gun laws only remove guns from law abiding citizens who wish to protect themselves, not those who wish to do harm with them. The only way to stop a bad man with a gun is for a good man with a gun to step up and stop him before he can kill anyone.

Jan. 11 2013 03:03 AM
Bill Costley from Santa Clara CA

Securely addicted,

gun-addicts fear

Someone will disarm them,

Someone will assault them,

because they're armed,

calling it Freedom.

(24 DEC 2, Santa Clara CA) v5

Dec. 24 2012 02:06 PM
Roger S. Blaho from Cortlandt Manor, NY



Why not license gun owners?

I must have a license to operate my car or other vehicles. I need to prove some competence and knowledge. I need to prove further competence to drive a truck or bus.
In many states I must have a “Certificate” to operate a boat. I need to prove that I have the necessary navigation and operating knowledge.

These licenses must be renewed. The also can be revoked for various good reasons including questionable health of the operator or driving while intoxicated.


My motor vehicles must be registered and inspected.
Why not have a registration certificate for each gun?


Shall liability insurance be mandated as is in many states?

Dec. 21 2012 11:20 AM
Daniel Burkey from Indiana

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Let me ask you all, what exactly is a "well regulated militia"? Is it old outdated firearms and muskets? I think not. All the talk about banning "assault weapons" is crazy, its already against the law to run into a school and coldheartedly massacre little children. The columbine shooting was smack dab in the middle of the assault weapons ban and it was worse than newtown. Actually ar15s (which is what the shooter in newtown used) is NOT A ASSAULT RIFLE . Ar stands for armalite and is a civilian rifle not military, a assault rifle is by defenition fully automatic not semi. There are plenty of hunting rifles that are far more lethal and deadly than ARs. The constitution doesnt mention anything about hunting or target practice but it does talk about security and militias. Millions of people die from water, ban water and will the drownings stop? The same day the newtown massacre happened a man went into a chinese school and although firearms are banned, he slashed 2dozen children with a knife. THE PERSON IS THE PROBLEM. FIREARMS ARE IN THEMSELVES, HARMLESS.

Dec. 19 2012 05:59 PM
Muriel from NYC

I would like to recommend that everyone who has lost anyone because of guns sue the NRA for their responsibility in that shooting. After all like Philip Morris made sure that people can get cigarettes, the NRA makes sure that people can get guns even if they aren't necessarily the ones actually selling the guns. The NRA has spent millions if not more than that strong arming our politicians to make sure guns are available so they are most definitely responsible.

Dec. 19 2012 08:45 AM
Janet from NYC

It would be great to hear a segment about how and why almost all the mass shooting have been committed by white males.

Dec. 17 2012 05:27 PM
Margaret from UWS Manhattan

A caller to an (NPR? BBC?) program over the weekend mentioned, "In Australia, there were thirteen mass murders in the eighteen years previous to banning assault weapons in 1997; and since, there've been NONE." So much for, 'yes, somebody with a knife would only get so far before people stop them; but these people who are determined to manage would come up with something - they'd use explosives, maybe'. Nobody in Australia has been so hell-bent, they came up with some other way - because the convenience of using a gun is at least half the point. It's on today's msnbc homepage.// For the sociological: I sincerely believe that arts, especially dance, in school being considered as basic as the "3 R's",
instead of luxurious extras, would contribute to developing generally sane humans. It matters to the psyche, not just physical function. // A class
to have in the curriculum: "Ethics and Empathy". // To the caller, "This is proof there's no God, or if there is, he's malevolent": That claims humans weren't given free rational minds, with the potential, ability, choice, to create their own circumstances. Mental, political, and economic subjection and dominion happen, but there's still potential for the positive, through godly human will power.

Dec. 17 2012 05:18 PM
Roger from New York

Brian, I don't know if you look back over late comments like this one, but I have to express my disappointment with the tenor of today's discussion. You have a wonderful ability to accept all views which I find very appealing, as do many other listeners. The conversation about Newtown generally, and the exchange with Susan Page specifically, were, however, a superficial intellectual dance. Not every view has equal merit. Newtown was the centerpiece of the discussion, but the focus should really have been on the fact that 30,000 Americans are killed every year by guns. Mass shootings do not account for even 1% of that horrible total. There were many references to "mental illness" as a primary cause; in no way could that account for the number of routine gun deaths in our country. Thus mental problems are a distraction from the main story. Newtown and other horrific incidents provoke periodic outrage, but the real issue the show did not face is the obsession with guns in America. Last, more than once you brought up the idea of arming principals and others as a remedy. The frightening thought of expanding the number of weapons in America even further does not deserve serious consideration by thinking people. I truly hope there will be future shows which will address these issues with more critical analysis and clarity, as is usually the case with your admirable program.

Dec. 17 2012 02:11 PM
Carol from New York City

I attended a service at Marble Collegiate on December 16 and heard the Rev. Dr. Michael Brown preach a powerful sermon on the text of the "Slaughter of the Innocents," the one piece of the Christmas story that we always leave out. This passage tells us that after the 3 Magi told King Herod about their search for a newborn king, he ordered the execution of all the children in Bethlehem under the age of 2. Obviously violence against children is not new.

Dec. 17 2012 01:32 PM
tim from nyc

i've read the bible several times.
jesus railed repeated against the religious leadership. hated how they twisted the law.
he rarely (never?) railed against the individual he encountered. but rather forgave them. even the bad ones.

let's be clear: this is not about god or jesus. it's about people. and guns.
strict, tough gun control is [not *should be*] our nation's top priority right now.
only this approach will address the real issue of people and guns.

anyone [read: politicians] that say anything otherwise have an agenda to be despised.

Dec. 17 2012 01:10 PM

Brian is the consummate professional, gracious to a fault AND allows callers to exercise our most precious right that of free speech. Hearing these trite comments & religious fanatics coming from under every rock who REFUSE to see we need tougher gun laws is extremely frustrating to say the least. It is like they are from a different planet. That said, enacting stricter laws today or tomorrow will not stem the flow of these weapons right away but we need to start. Please let’s not get distracted with secularism, lack of religion, violent movies & video games non arguments. That woman was/is a wacko. I hate to reduce this argument to name calling but some people will never get it and will never get it. They link their core issues i.e. abortion, prayer in school, etc. to EVERY societal ill imaginable. Christians find every excuse in the bible (and outside of it) to justify their destructive hateful behavior. Christians are so unchristian Christ would be mortified to see how his name is used.

Plain and simple, we need stiffer gun control laws without convenient loopholes for the gun manufacturers/sellers to get around. We need to put a cap on how many guns can be owned. Why is it other “first world” countries can enact strict gun laws but we can not? The UK and Australia to name two. Let’s be clear: SINCE THE EXISTENCE OF MANKIND THERE HAS BEEN VIOLENCE – cave paintings even depict violence, the bible is full of violence, I digressed - now we just have more efficient means of killing. Bible thumpers and extreme right wingers (like that woman) blaming the president, lack of religion in schools, etc. are so off you I can not bear to listen to them.

What saddens me most is sometimes you need children to be the poster child to get people to change. Anyone here remember the AIDS crisis? Government and big business had more than a clue of what steps needed to be taken but did nothing until Ryan White.

Dec. 17 2012 12:29 PM
Jane Mann LCSW from Fanwood, NJ, Miami Lakes, FL

I believe we need to think differently about how to prevent these outrageous tragedies. I don't have all of the answers as a psychotherapist, but it seems to me we need to establish Safety Pods, places where people at risk, who reach intolerable levels of frustration, can go or be sent to calm down, to be defused. Not prison. Not psychiatric wards. The stigma of those places can intensify the threat. The Pods shouldn't just be made up of mental health professionals. They should include law enforcement officials who are have immediate authority to investigate access to weapons and to confiscate them. The Pods should also have background information about people at-risk, such as names and contact information of family members, clergy members, school officials, neighbors, friends and others known to the individual who can be convened to help defuse and support a person. People at risk should be identified by community members way in advance. There were people who knew that Adam Lanza was an at-risk individual. There were precipitating events. He thought about this. He prepared for it. No one in his household ever should have had guns. We need to understand and study what events lead to such intense frustration and outrage that an at-risk individual does the unthinkable. We need identify dangerous symptoms and educate the public. When we see danger signs, we need to convene Safety Pods to help the at-risk individual. We need to work together as communities, not separately. We all need to cooperate, be responsible and involved to protect each other. Let's do it.

Dec. 17 2012 12:24 PM

Jamiel was very eloquent. If I were a religious leader I would insist that we must "be the change [we] wish to see in the world" and work that much harder for peace.

Paula in Madison, NJ...? if you want to talk about a culture of violence, look no further than your own religion: the Crusades were pretty violent; crucifixions and all the very graphic images of the same, as well as others (St. Sebastian, for example); and the Pro-CHOICE movement? No. It's the zealots who murder doctors who perform abortions (as well as other important health treatments) that are the perpetrators of violence.

Yes, the United States has a collective gun fetish and culture of violence in our media, as well as "worshipping" and conferring celebrity status for the most bizarre things (Kardashians, "Real" Housewives, children dressed like adults and in full makeup to name but a few) and, sadly, inspiring some to seek their fame through horrific acts of violence.

Dec. 17 2012 12:12 PM

John Lott set out to prove statistically that more guns in a society caused more crime.
But after his study he wrote a book entitled: More Guns, Less Crime.

Dec. 17 2012 12:09 PM
Geof from Flushing, NY

Thank you for airing parts of the Obama speech, which I understand he wrote himself, and was clearly from the heart. We are grateful to have him as our "counselor in chief"; near impossible to imagine the "religious" Mitt Romney expressing such compassion and love, a great example for our children and families.

Dec. 17 2012 12:08 PM

Here are some suggestions:

1 Use social media to shame and isolate the NRA and the more radical politicians who want to arm school teachers. So many were tuned into Kony 2012 and donated money, social media is a powerful ally to build up outrage and support for action.

2 Ban all assault weapons and ammunition magazines that allow for the fire power displayed n these massacres.

3 Attract and court the support of American hunters who, as the NYTimes reveals today, were trying to restrict assault weapons in the VERY SAME CT town where the massacre took place.

4 Engage women. Mothers against drunk driving were instrumental in saving lives from traffic deaths.

5 Focus on the young. One of the big victories of the gay rights movement was generational. It is now mostly uncool to discriminate against gays among the young.

6 Take control of the message. Detach gun ownership from freedom. What in the world your Constitutional freedom has to do with purchasing hundreds of rounds of ammunition? Are the children who endure yet another lockdown in Ridgefield, CT, feeling free today?

7 Explore past successful initiatives like the Australian buy back program.

(From a foreigner who was never in the presence of a privately owned gun, grew up in a culture that morally condemns the gun culture, endured a military dictatorship and urban violence far worse than the current crime rate in NYC.)

Dec. 17 2012 12:07 PM

The 11 year-old girl that shotgunned 2 armed murderer intruders.
The 7 year-old girl that shot an intruder through her closet door.
At least two men with guns that terminated 2 school shooting episodes and captured the shooters.
1 to 2 million people who deterred assailants in the average year.
The numbers show that:
The second safest way for a woman to deal with an assailant is to give him whatever he wants.
The safest way for a woman to deal with an assailant is to point a gun at him.
Attempting to resist with or without any other type of weapon is third,

In reply to Doug Caldwell from New York City: "Can the Texas Congressman who Brian cited several times this morning as advocating the arming of school principals cite a single instance of a gun-toting citizen stopping any other armed person from committing murder?"

Dec. 17 2012 12:04 PM

Hey, thanks for letting that lunatic woman vent her conservative rage Brian. Makes me proud to be an American.

Dec. 17 2012 11:59 AM
Bonn from East Village

That last caller is the one who is out of touch with her talk of not enough religion. It sounds like she is under the influence of very wacky religious demagogues. It is uber-religion that is responsible for a lot of the problems in this country. I am talking about religious narrow-minded bigots and not the good people of true interfaith belief, who want to live in peace, respect and harmony with their neighbors. And, missy, stay out of our bedrooms and bodies, please.

Dec. 17 2012 11:56 AM
phoebe jonas from Brooklyn

To which God do these folks refer? God in general or the Muslim god? Or the Jewish God of the Old Testament (whom, if I recall correctly, was plenty violent Himself)? Or do they refer to only THEIR God, the Christian God?

The problem with making this discussion about God is that it completely misses the mark. It's about MORALITY, which people of any religion, worshiping any God, even people who DON"T believe in God can practice daily.

Its not about GOD, people. It's about PEOPLE.

Dec. 17 2012 11:56 AM
Robert from NYC

That's right, god is invented by man (read humans) and god says, believes and teaches whatever a particular "believer" feels. I the believer the faithful thinks something is wrong then god says it's wrong it becomes part of the theology. It is spun into the "good book" and reinterpreted through some writing that was written millennia ago and reinterpreted to the believer's beliefs. You see god is s/he who believes in him/her. The believer is god, after all you made god.

Dec. 17 2012 11:56 AM
Joe from nearby

There is a lot of prayer in churches, but that didn't keep all those altar boys from being molested, did it.

Dec. 17 2012 11:54 AM
Jennifer from Princeton NJ

About secularization and violence in society--Europe and Australia are largely secular regions, and have far lower gun death and violent death rates.

Dec. 17 2012 11:53 AM
bernie from bklyn

@ SA- as a police officer you should know how these guns end up in the hands of felons. do they just magically appear? no, they're sold in states where the laws are lax to non-existent...and like any other black market, they're bought and smuggled up to the cities and used to commit crimes. of course they're not licensed gun owners. but there ARE legal ways of buying guns and selling them illegally, at high profits, in places where the laws are stricter. the fact that you, as a cop, don't know this is scary.

Dec. 17 2012 11:53 AM
Richard Peterson from Pawling NY

The only sane response is love and forgiveness. Kamiel expressed it very well. I am a Roman Catholic and that is what I heard at Mass yesterday. We need more Peace and Love. Let's put the politics aside for a week or two.

Dec. 17 2012 11:53 AM
as from Brooklyn, ny

Oooh, are you kidding me with this woman calling in saying that abortion rights are linked to crime increasing? I know it's bred into religious fanatics to ignore facts, but the statistics show that crime in fact decreased as a direct result of abortion being legalized. Additionally this country has always been a secular country, it's written into the constitution, unless you want to go back to the time of the puritans when people were exiled for promoting the tolerance and acceptance of other people's religions.

Dec. 17 2012 11:51 AM
tim from nyc

@Francis - and i would go further:

the manufacturer, vendor, and buyer such a bullet would all be responsible if it is found to have injured an innocent person.

the serial identification should be embedded *inside* the round as well.

Dec. 17 2012 11:51 AM

Would you please refocus the conversation towards the mental health of ALL civilian gun owners. Why do some people feel such a need to own a deadly weapon? Every time I have talked to a gun owner, their reasons have sounded more to me like the manifestation of some latent paranoid tendencies with such irrational fear of "the others" or misguided anger, sadistic tendencies (hunting) or a misplaced sense of self-esteem based on the power over death and life a gun gives them. I truly can't understand why a citizen in a civilized society like ours in the 21st century still has the need to own a gun unless there is something else going on that is being seriously overlooked. Yes, let's discuss the mental health of EVERY civilian GUN OWNER.

Dec. 17 2012 11:50 AM
David from New Jersey

I am very sorry to hear people furthering their own agenda on the deaths of these children and adults.

There have been many killings made in the name of God.

There were 19 individuals who flew two planes into two buildings in the name of God.

Dec. 17 2012 11:50 AM
Robert from NYC

Obama on the left!!! These folks are so far right they don't see that Obama, frankly, is a conservative. The man is center right. In fact if she watched Bill Moyers last night his guests stated what I always thought about Obama, he is more to the right on some social issues than was Richard Nixon. They called him an Eisenhower republican and in fact later agreed he is probably a little more to the right than Eisenhower was. But then again that was a much different republican party; a party with way fewer crazies. She is what this country is coming to and she gets her ideas from the pulpit, an nut case priest on the right. Oh how odd is that!! lol

Dec. 17 2012 11:50 AM
William from Manhattan

Interesting to hear your last caller use the phrase, "wage a war against the culture of violence." Maybe a first step would be to stop using the "war" analogy which turns many issues into an entirely "us" vs "them" scenario with any compromise a form of "appeasement.

Dec. 17 2012 11:49 AM
steve from hoboken

Listening to your caller who was a homicide detective I was struck by his complete resignation to the fact that things concerning gun control will not get better. It is a simple problem to fix and a small start would be welcome. I'm a gun owner and I have 3 simple suggestions to create an environment where responsible gun owners and sportsmen can enjoy gun ownership without endangering the general public.

1) A uniform, Federal registration system. It's necessary and also falls under the heading of anti-terrorism and drug enforcement. I don't know of many law enforcement officials who would object.
2) A uniform ban on assault weapons. These are exactly what their name implies. Another term would be "killing maching". They have no place in sport shooting and should only be in the hands of the military and law enforcement.
3) Ban on large capacity clips and magazines. 8 shots is enough. High capacity hand guns, banana clips & such holding 30 rounds are out of place for anyone but the military, law enforcement or criminals.

The NRA's assertions that the more people carrying guns the safer we are is just delusional. It's really time for someone to start an organization that truly speaks for responsible hunters and gun owners.

Dec. 17 2012 11:49 AM

Do we really not know what churches probably said this weekend? Uh, lemme guess... pray for the victims.

As if that makes any impact besides making themselves feel better.

Dec. 17 2012 11:49 AM
Chris Garvey

You are about Five-hundred-million times more likely to be killed by your own government, than by an average individual you meet'
10,000,000,000 individual people of Earth killed 18,000,000 = average 0.0018 murders per person.
Aprox. 200 national governments killed 180,000,000 of their own people = average 900,000 per government;
900,000 / 0.0018 = 500,000,000 times
An average government is 500,000,000 (Five-hundred-million) times more dangerous to its own people, than is an average individual.

For 65 to 90 million victims of their own governments, the pattern was:
1. Register the guns;
2. Confiscate the registered guns;
3. Kill the unarmed victims.

Dec. 17 2012 11:48 AM
Doug Caldwell from New York City

Can the Texas Congressman who Brian cited several times this morning as advocating the arming of school principals cite a single instance of a gun-toting citizen stopping any other armed person from committing murder? Perhaps he, or anyone else who thinks the same way, should be asked the question on-air. I strongly doubt there is a single case he can cite. Over to you guys ...

Dec. 17 2012 11:47 AM

I'm not certain if someone has already made the point that I am about to make, but if someone has, I apologize. I'm a police officer in the tri-state area. Before becoming a police officer I didn't really have a strong opinion regarding on gun legislation, although it sounded logical that less guns meant less gun crime. However after just under 10 years of civil service as a police officer I can say that less guns, does not mean less gun crime.

The problem lies in the fact that most gun crime is committed by people who are not allowed to have guns to begin with, felons. Since they cannot legally obtain guns they obtain them illegally, and hence the guns themselves are not legally registered and often times used in multiple crimes. By tightening the laws it only makes it harder for legally allowed people to obtain them if they would like to obtain them. I definitely believe we need to have strong background checks and a waiting period for those who do want to obtain guns. I also believe that anyone who has any type of gun registered under their name should be subjected to a periodic background check, and a psychological reevaluation throughout the time that they are registered owners of these weapons. If any "flags" are raised during those background checks or psychological reevaluation the guns should surrendered until these concerns could be addressed one way or another. Also any person who wants to obtain a gun should have to go through a gun training course where you learn how to safely operate, maintain and secure the weapons you are attempting to buy.

Since people who are not allowed to have guns can obtain them anyway, the best answer is not take away guns from people who can obtain them legally. Especially since there are so many guns, legal and illegal, currently in use throughout the country. This is only my opinion and of course like any other opinion it can change.

Dec. 17 2012 11:47 AM
Inquisigal from Brooklyn

Jessie Henshaw from Way Uptown

I think your perspective is definitely a part of the problem (though in this case, you can't discount the glaringly obvious issue of gun control).

The drive for productivity and profit at all costs in our country indeed is what is causing people to make short-sighted choices in our lives - all for the promise of the kind of "luxury" lifestyle that is being shoved at us from many sources in the media and advertising. What needs addressing as part of this conversation is the fact that now that women represent half of the work force, we all need to face the fact that the loss of having one parent at home, taking care of their own kids - likely has much to do with many of the problems we are facing today.

As a woman, I am certainly not advocating for rolling back all of the strides women have made in the world - we all instead need to push for the "next step." Which is to recognize that two parents working full-time - while trying to raise families - indeed effects the growth and oversight that kids today are getting. Companies need to stop pushing individual workers to work more and more hours - and to conversely punish us for actually wanting to work only 8 hours a day - and allow for a healthier society that allows job-sharing, regular PT work in professional environments, flex-time, and paid maternity or paternity leave.

We should all feel like fools to have bought into this mindset where we just keep working more and more hours out of fear and desperation - or because we think we need more and more stuff to make ourselves happy. There would be so many more jobs actually available if employers would take some social responsibility and stop pushing their workers to do so much OT, and would instead parcel that work out by creating another job.

Imagine if kids today could have their father or mother at home even for part of the week?

Dec. 17 2012 11:46 AM
Laura from UWS

Brian Lehrer is doing an admirable job and I only wish there were a written summary of his programs.

I'd like to add that I am disappointed that the gun deaths of black children don't seem to be lamented as much. Also, I don't see how any issue could be up to the President unless there is overwhelming public support. The change we want comes from below.

Meanwhile, we are arming rebels in other countries and glorifying our own military....recruiting our youth. . . .and guns are a ticket to manhood.

Maybe let's start with mental health. Free meds and talk therapy NOW.

Dec. 17 2012 11:46 AM
bernie from bklyn

to this caller blaming lack of religion for our tragedies- YOU ARE A HORROR. FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU

Dec. 17 2012 11:45 AM
Susan from Manhattan

Thank you for airing the "counselor in chief" section. It's a role in which Obama excels, and we so need agreed-upon values.

Dec. 17 2012 11:45 AM
Barbara Pinto from NYC

When will we address the issue of violence in our culture? Our young children are exposed to media, video games, tv, that is all incredibly violent, and glorifies power. I believe this is part of the underlying problem in our society - our children feel violence is a solution. They are desensitized.

Dec. 17 2012 11:44 AM
Tom Marvel from New Jersey

Real simple question:
Why can't the sale of ammunition be severely limited & regulated?
Is it a 2nd amendment issue?
I'd like to hear the legal reason why this can't be done

Dec. 17 2012 11:44 AM
Francis Russo from Glen Head, NY

The 300 million weapons already in private hands are too many to control or prevent from being used in mass killings. And the politicians are too afraid of the gun lobby to go after new weapons sales or to place more restrictions on the weapons already out there.

Instead, I propose that we impose controls on the availability and purchases of ammunition.

I would restrict the sale of high velocity, rapid fire, assault weapon ammunition only to law enforcement and military agencies.

For all other ammunition, bullets should only be available for purchase by gun owners who have been issued a renewable, one-year license to purchase ammunition. Each ammo purchase license would cover a specific weapon, presented upon application, with its serial number identified on the license.

Such ammunition purchase licenses would be issued by local law enforcement agencies for a certain number of rounds, based in part on the gun owner’s past ammunition purchases. The information recorded on the license would also be captured in a centralized federal data base.

As part of the licensing program, every round sold should have a serial number etched on its shell casing. When purchased, the transaction and those serial numbers would be logged into the central record for the ammunition license issued to the gun owner. To purchase more bullets, the gun owner would have to turn in the spent shell casings from the discharged rounds in exchange.

Dec. 17 2012 11:41 AM
Pam from ny

Bravo, VR!

VR from White Plains

10 Things we can do now in response to Newtown that doesn’t involve waiting for our legislators to enact new laws or pending laws.

1) Do not vacation in the States of Florida, South Carolina, North Carolina, Virginia and Pennsylvania. According to, these states with lax gun laws are known proliferators of illegally bought and smuggled weapons used in violent crimes in other states.
2) Occupy NRA headquarters in Fairfax Va. Identify the names of the actual NRA lobbyists and publish them.
3) Block entrances to gun shows and gun shops the same way anti-abortion activists do at women’s clinics
4) Name Names. See list of the top congressional recipients of campaign donations from the NRA. Vilify, shame, embarrass, disclose.
5) Bullets are made of lead, a known toxic substance. Petition town governments to enact extremely stringent and costly restrictions on disposal of lead at shooting ranges.
6) Boycott Walmart. Walmart is the nation’s leading retailer of guns and gun related products.
7) Name more Names: ID the CEO’s, directors, and majority shareholders of the major gun manufacturers in the U.S. among them, The Freedom Group, maker of the Bushmaster automatic weapon (owned by Cerberus Capital, a private equity firm)
8) Contact your Congress person and U.S. Senator and tell them how you feel about gun violence and what YOU intend to do about it. Do not ask them to do anything. You tell them what You Are going to do. Shame them in to following; do not wait for them to lead
9) Organize a massive rally on D.C. of anti-gun violence proponents; the rally must be held while Congress is in session so the law-makers can see, hear and feel our presence.
10) Start a grass roots organization to repeal the second amendment that includes confiscation of existing of firearms. Send the issue of firearm ownership back to the States where the individual States can issue licenses for hunting only.

Dec. 17 2012 11:40 AM
David from NYC

All of the measures needed to reduce the chance of these mass killings...

Tigher gun laws,mental health inprovements are mean the govermant will need more $$$ you think anyone running for office is going to say
"I want to limit your access to guns and raise your taxes"

Dec. 17 2012 11:39 AM
Chris Garvey

SSIs selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs)
virtually all of the gun-related massacres that have made headlines over the past decade have had one thing in common:
Health and Healing: Tomorrow's Medicine Today
by Dr. Julian Whitaker, M.D.

Columbine shootings in April of 1999. ... It was later revealed that both shooters, Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris, were on antidepressants at the time of the shootings. Harris had reported to his psychiatrist that he was feeling depressed, angry, and suicidal while on Prozac. He was then prescribed the antidepressant Zoloft and later Luvox after complaining about restlessness and a lack of concentration. At the time of his death, Harris had therapeutic Luvox levels in his system and his prescription bottle was in his pocket.

Dec. 17 2012 11:39 AM

Knowing how the NRA has the gun control debate by the throat, I've long felt that perhaps some irony might begin to loosen it's grip a little bit.

To that end, I humbly suggest issuing a series of NRA Commemorative Postage Stamps honoring the spirit of the shooters in each of these tragedies. Get Aurora! Get Phoenix! Now there's Newtown! Sets issued annually - over six this year all alone - new stamps added almost monthly! This is what the second amendment is all about!

I have family members deeply indoctrinated in the gun culture - they too have AR-15's and Glocks - and I have no other way to get through to them than this. I too wish there was a new way to talk about this problem - this probably isn't it - but it demonstrates how hard it is to talk to ideologues about almost any topic on the national agenda today.

Dec. 17 2012 11:37 AM
Larry from Paterson

If there are more guns in the hands of more people that is not going to help its going to make it worst cause if all the teachers had guns...look at it...there would be so much chaos cause so many people would be shooting they would shoot each other in the confusion

Dec. 17 2012 11:36 AM
bernie from bklyn

@chris garvey- it's the idiotic logic you espouse that's dangerous and irresponsible. you know that you're little fact sheet about gun free zones has nothing to do with this epidemic. it's the lack of federal laws regulating the sale of firearms and ammunition that are the problem. gun shows, states w/ lax laws are at the core of the daily tragedies that occur everyday in every city in the usa. and the fact that this idiot mother of adam lanza was in possession of a bushmaster w/ a disturbed man living in the same house and that this was 100% legal is the problem.

Dec. 17 2012 11:35 AM
myra e. gordon from new york, ny

We need to take a deeper look at our culture of violence. Many of our tv shows have violence as the central theme in their programs. We need more emphasis on the preciousness of life in our programs and in our movies.

Dec. 17 2012 11:35 AM
Chris Garvey

Culture of violence?
Isn't that an attack on the First Amendment?

Dec. 17 2012 11:33 AM
Ruthie from Queens

I have a different idea. Besides banning multi-bullet clips and assault weapons. Have an on-demand manufacturing of guns. (how many more guns are manufactured each year than what is legal to possess.) After someone gets a license then a gun is made for that person with identifying features clearly showing who owns that gun. Every year all people in the house of the gun owner need to pass an extensive mental health test and the place the gun is kept must pass a yearly inspection with strict laws overseeing the location and security of the weapon. Also there should be extremely high taxes on the sale of guns just like cigarettes.

In High Schools and Colleges there should be extensive mental health testing (such as part of the placement testing, include a mental health exam)for all so problems can be found before they explode and then treatment be required for anyone who displays problems. Gov't needs to allocate more money to these services.

Dec. 17 2012 11:30 AM
Chris Garvey

Didn't China kill 60,000,000 of its unarmed people?

Dec. 17 2012 11:30 AM
Ansi Vallens from Austerlitz, NY

Here is a new idea: The insurance industry is now driving a lot of social change. For example if you smoke, are obese, have a lot of speeding tickets, you pay more. Bad corporate behavior is increasing directors & officers (D&O) premiums. Polluters have to pay more because of global warming. Indeed, fracking may not be economically viable in New York State because of high environmental policy premiums. Homeowners are already charged more if they have guns in the house. We know politicians will not act. However, the insurance industry may.

Dec. 17 2012 11:30 AM
Rich from Ridgewood

Brian, there is so much above to distill into a reasoned response. As in all things economic, it is the incentives that matter. Tax bullets.

Dec. 17 2012 11:30 AM

Oklahoma 3-year-old dies in accidental shooting, authorities say

Dec. 17 2012 11:29 AM
tim from nyc

@karen - i wish we could talk

Dec. 17 2012 11:27 AM
Chris Garvey

Gun-Free Zones
The Connecticut elementary school was a Gun-Free Zone.
The Colorado Theater was a Gun-Free Zone. The "No Guns" signs deterred all, except the mass murderer, from being armed.
Virginia Tech was a Gun-Free Zone.
The Texas Restaurant, where Suzanna Gratia-Hupp watched her parents and 21 others executed, while her gun sat, as required by law, in her car, was a gun-free zone.
Hitler's Germany, for all but government Nazis, was a gun-free zone.
Parts of the South were gun free zones, But only for slaves.
East Timore was a gun-free zone. And was helpless to resist Suharto's invasion, and 25 years of Indonesian genocide.
The 767 Flights of Nine Eleven, from Boston to the World Trade Center, were gun-free zones.
The death toll of gun-free zones: Thousands, Millions, and it accrues,
Massacres at shooting ranges, gun shows: none. But that's not news.
Copr. 2000, 2012 Chris Garvey [permission to post here granted]

Dec. 17 2012 11:26 AM
karen harrilchak from New Nersey

No single action will solve this problem. We need multi-pronged effort. Dui culture in US has been changed, so can this. We need a MADD org for this issue. If every parent in US gave $5, the gun lobby could be countermanded. Also,if we can tackle smoking, dui, etc. we can do this.

Dec. 17 2012 11:26 AM
tim from nyc

we need to talk about this. and talk about it.
@Al - your point is taken though: let's keep talking about it.
and make it cumulative - not exclusive.
next issue doesn't eradicate this one, just adds to it.

Dec. 17 2012 11:26 AM
Al from NYC

Please, enough already. I hope this is the last segment re Newtown that you are doing, unless some truly relevant NEW info appears.
To hell with all the talking heads who are using this horrible incident to get their 30 seconds of fame.
The only individuals who truly have any insight into the killer are members of his family, and perhaps his friends, if he had any. Everyone else's blathering is just that.
Adam Lanza's mother had to have had an inkling as to how sick her son was, as both a mother and a trained professional. She paid the price for failing to secure her firearms in the presence of a psychotic son--but what about the score of innocent victims?
Please, Brian, don't be just another cog in the media machine that will keep on milking this story until the next big story blows it off the front page.

Dec. 17 2012 11:21 AM
tim from nyc

@Fred - maybe the issue of guns is a mcguffin. however, as you point out, profiling everyone is difficult. upshot? profiling is a mcguffin by those same terms.

so what do we do? if no measure works, just drop it?

not at all. just because some measure won't be 100% effective doesn't mean that nothing should be done. so yes: enact sensible, reasoned gun control legislation. and also yes: develop better techniques to identify people that might turn.

the point, i think, that many people are advocating is that we do something.
i think the problem is hard. the solution won't be easy.

Dec. 17 2012 11:20 AM
Antonio from baySide

I have an idea. Put a referendum on the ballot next year.

One with an outright ban, one with a very restrictive but not a total ban.

Outright means zero. None.

Also, have anyone ever who gravitate towards guns cause of fear of the government, need for a militia etc.
ever thought...If there ever was as a external threat...wouldn't people just find a way to obtain guns if they really needed them?

Dec. 17 2012 11:20 AM

In today's Wall St Journal, Robert Leider's article "Breaking the Gun Control Stalemate" brings reasoned, thoughtful commenting, very much worth reading.

Dec. 17 2012 11:18 AM
Bob from New York

Based on the Children's Defense Fund there are approximately 2000 children deaths (age 0-17) classified as homicides by guns each year in this country. By that count there has been more children killed in the US by gun violence since the Newtown incident then the total deaths that day. Where is the national grieving for these children? Or for the 150 children who have been killed so far this month by guns in this country? The Newtown incident is a horrific tragedy but unfortunately it is a story that the media (including WNYC) will only follow for about a week and then move on.

Dec. 17 2012 11:14 AM
Joe from nearby

Google a pic of a "Bushmaster 223" (the gun used by the Newtown murderer).

I dare you to tell me you "hunt" with that thing.

Dec. 17 2012 11:14 AM
herve from Carmel, NY

Here are ideas;

1- create national "guns against cash, no questions asked" - spend money to buy back guns and destroy them
2- undercover marshalls in schools that can outgun "loners" just like we had in airplanes
3- special federal task force prevention team that can pinpoint on"loners" and act on them before they do on others and dispatch marshals also accordingly

hope it helps.
Herve Rousseau

Dec. 17 2012 11:14 AM
Larry from Paterson

I have 3 ideas For gun laws:
1. We can ban all gun, and this is how: Federally ban guns, then have monthly gun buy back programs in every state. And the left over guns eventually will get used and caught.
2. Enable victims and family of victims to sue gun company's. this will pressure gun company's to come up with safer guns and promote aggressive gun safety measures.
3. Add fingerprint safeties to gun models so only the registered owner can use it.

There is plenty we can do we just have to put our kids first and politics last!

Dec. 17 2012 11:13 AM
Jennifer from Princeton NJ

1. It's easier to buy a gun than vote in this country. 2. We defeated big tobacco, taking away their right to free speech where it affected the public health and limiting their product placement in films and tv--why not the gun lobby? 3.we need to stop being held hostage by the NRA and tell them to stop killing our kids. 4. the right to own a gun trumps the public's right to safety and this is sick. just sick.

Dec. 17 2012 11:13 AM
Fred from Manhattan

It might be worthwhile listening to Paul Barrett's comments on All Things Considered yesterday ( The homicide investigator was partially correct. The issue of "guns" is a MacGuffin. The issue is disturbed people who will get a gun, a bomb, fertilizer, etc. if the person is obsessed. Also, as has been pointed out by David Brooks and others, profiling is difficult at best. Either we have to realize that we have to accept events in the name of Freedom or give up some freedoms. Many freedoms have been surrendered after 9/11...we can't get into an office building these days without a government ID...we've created the TSA.... It may be reasonable to restrict large capacity magazines and requiring background checks on everyone. But that's the icing on the cake.

Dec. 17 2012 11:13 AM
Randy Simon from nyc

I'd like a Senate hearing with gun/bullet manufacturers & NRA lobbyists on legislation they would propose. I'd like them to address this issue with the same fervor they went after baseball players with.

Dec. 17 2012 11:12 AM
Joseph from UWS

new ideas for gun control:
require that only the owner of a gun can use it, require that guns be kept in a biometric safe, have strict liability for the owner of a gun. Ban all clip-loading and belt-loading firearms. The difficulty with banning clips over a certain size is that it's comparatively easy to make a larger clip on your own. Also, the assault rifle ban had a grandfather provision that we should avoid repeating. We should enact a federal gun tax, applicable to dealer, gunshow, and private sales, that effectively raises the minimum price of a gun to $1,000. Cheap guns were not the problem in this crime, but they are a problem more generally when we look at the overall rate of firearm deaths.

Dec. 17 2012 11:08 AM

Ban assault weapons, ban handguns. There may be 200 million weapons in circulation already, so most importantly ban the sale of ammunition for these types of weapons.

Dec. 17 2012 11:07 AM
Judith from Brooklyn

Could the perpetrators of these massacres mental illness who weren't properly cared for choose children out of an envy for those who are?

Dec. 17 2012 11:07 AM

I agree 100% with hjs11211. News coverage of this shooting has been disgusting and cable news hosts should be ashamed of themselves for their pathetic performance.

Dec. 17 2012 11:05 AM
Jim Quigley from East Orange, NJ

"We must all look into our hearts and come together" must be a quote from the NRA to all its political allies on talking points in the aftermath of Newtown. That is the syrup they wish to pour on this but it's gone sour. What is needed is uniformity of gun control nation wide. I live in New Jersey and own a gun. It was easier to get a permit for one than it was for us to license our dog. There is something drastically wrong with this.


Dec. 17 2012 11:05 AM
francyne from Pelham Bay Park

The Bill of Rights states an armed militia; it was written in a time when people had whatever the predecessor of the rifle was. The Constitution has been changed: black people used to be counted as 3/5 a person, only white men could vote.

Dec. 17 2012 11:04 AM
Pam from ny

The homicide detective has made the first sensible suggestion that I've heard. To ban gun sales to people with histories of mental illness would not stop rampages with guns that are owned by others (such as the incident in CT).

Dec. 17 2012 11:04 AM
John Williams from Upper west side


The caller complaining about no new ideas did not understand that for every "old" idea for gun control, there are always exceptions in place (gun show sales to anyone) to undo them. This country has not tried ANY ideas nationally for long enough.

I do think that perhaps the best path to change is to convince people of the difference between a person defending themselves from a known enemy (a soldier at war), where a gun offers protection, compared to someone with a gun in their home, protecting themselves from ANY perceived enemy, where family members, friends, and thieves are more likely to use the gun on themselves or accidentally on someone else. The perception may be safety, but the reality is more risk. Perhaps only when enough of us see that will we come together.


Dec. 17 2012 11:04 AM

Shooters' fathers -
The father of Newtown Connecticut school shooter Adam Lanza is Peter Lanza who is a VP and Tax Director at GE Financial.
The father of Aurora Colorado movie theater shooter James Holmes is Robert Holmes, the lead scientist for the credit score company FICO.
Both men were to testify before the US Sentate in the ongoing LIBOR scandal. The London Interbank Offered Rate, known as Libor, is the average interest rate at which banks can borrow from each other. 16 international banks have been implicated in this ongoing scandal, accused of rigging contracts worth trillions of dollars. HSBC has already been fined $1.9 billion and three of their low level traders arrested.
Robert Holmes

Dec. 17 2012 11:03 AM
Robert from NYC

He's right, nothing will change. It's in the American culture to have a gun and it's ingrained in these people. We live in a very sick society and have all the wrong priorities that a society needs to be a healthy one. Americans are children and spoiled brats at that. We don't know how to be adult about much. We see ourselves as leaders when in fact we are followers and have been lead down the wrong "paths" of entitlement. We want what we want and will see to it that we get it no matter how it affects anyone else. American Exceptionalism my butt!! We are part of a global population and equal to it no matter what we like to believe. Feh!!

Dec. 17 2012 11:03 AM
Lara de Bruijn from Brooklyn

As someone who grew up in Canada, it is so difficult for me to understand why Canada's gun control laws are not a solid example of something that works; something that has been incredibly effective.
I am so frightened about what it will take, if not this.
I understand this is not an overnight change, but the steps need to start now.

Dec. 17 2012 11:03 AM
Margaret Groarke from Bronx, NY

I understand the current speaker's frustration, but the idea that there are no new ideas being forwarded is not surprising, and not necessarily bad. There are a lot of good ideas that have not been adequately pursued. Let's take three big ones: Let's make mental health services much more available for troubled youth, let's make guns much more difficult to buy, and let's make all guns and bullets traceable. And then a REALLY BIG IDEA -- let's insure that these laws are actually uniformly enforced (which I don't think the gun laws are). Then lets see how that works.

We can't say we've given that an honest try as a country, even though we can see by looking at the experience of other countries, that it stands a decent chance of reducing gun deaths. Is human life sacred to us, or is it not?

Dec. 17 2012 11:03 AM
Kate from Verona, NJ

How many mass shootings must we have in this country before we are ready to enact meaningful gun control legislation? In the aftermath of each of these incidents (which are becoming all too frequent), we always hear that "now is not the time do debate gun legislation;" but if not now, when?

Where there are more guns, there is more homicide. That's a fact. The idea that more guns will make us safer is absurd. Do we want to live in a country where wild west style shootouts in public places - elementary schools, movie theaters, crowded shopping malls - are commonplace? As I overheard in conversation this weekend: If guns made us safer, the United States would be the safest country in the world.

I hear people trying to shift the debate toward mental health reform and more closely examining the culture of violence in this country (which I agree we need to do), but the fact is, restricting access to guns is quick and easy compared to making sweeping societal changes such as these.

This has gone too far. We need to get serious about gun control. And for those of you who continue to drag out the old "guns don't kill people, people kill people," the fact is that guns make killing people easy. Assault weapons make killing people REALLY easy. Will stricter gun control laws eradicate all instances of senseless violence? Absolutely not. Will they make it more difficult for twisted misanthropes to burst into classrooms and kill twenty-six people in a matter of mere moments? ABSOLUTELY.

Dec. 17 2012 11:01 AM
John A.

Yesterday I took a picture of "toys" in a chain bookstore Christmas gift section. They were the mass murders from the latest Batman series rendered "cute" as little collectible dolls. They had giant heads and tiny bodies so as to give them an infant's proportions. Yes, to another commenter's point, do we want to live in a culture that celebrates violence? 'Never' is the vote from me.

Dec. 17 2012 11:01 AM

Can't control guns...then control the ammunition. No one needs these high-powered bullets, multi-bullet clips, etc. TAX the ammunition...use the money to pay down the national debt

Dec. 17 2012 11:00 AM
Jessie Henshaw from Way Uptown

Here's a different idea. Understand it as a systemic problem.

It's important to understand the shootings at New Hope and strange increasing frequency of such horrors in something of the same way as we understand the increasing frequency of extreme weather. From a natural systems view, they are both direct measures of extreme stress on the underlying systems involved.

Our culture relentlessly demands ever higher performance from everyone, all the time. It is a thrilling and productive thing to be part of, when it isn't pushing other people over the edge... Then having a culture of meeting ever higher challenge is a very very dangerous thing to do, driving more and more people to their personal breaking points.

I think that's the "bad smell" in the air, that we should pay close attention to. Our whole economic strategy is coming to rely on demanding performance that pushes people beyond their limits.

So, from an ecosystems view, systematically raising the bar too high for some people to handle, causing "random" catastrophes like mass school shootings, needs to be considered as "complex" reaction of our culture. It's a complex measure of system strain, of a kind we are now familiar with in understanding the symptoms of global stress on our climate. We see increasingly destructive storms, that come unpredictably with global warming caused by the relentless increasing temperature difference between the land and upper atmosphere.

These are similar responses to escalating global strain on formerly stable systems. Both have a relentless cause. It's our main solution for "living well" building up hidden strains on everything, our escalating global drive for "productivity" that drives both our ever larger scale uses of energy causing climate change and driving the ever steeper challenges of "making it" in our world society.

It graphically depicts a clear case of our misjudging our own personal and cultural strength and resilience, as at the same time we misjudge that of the natural systems of the earth as well.

Dec. 17 2012 11:00 AM
Dennis Maher from Lake Luzerne

A new idea to me: A state legislator in Colorado has proposed that gun owners be required to have liability insurance. I wonder what such insurance would cost if the insurers had to calculate what it would cost to cover the social costs of even a few shootings.

Dec. 17 2012 11:00 AM
Truth & Beauty from Brooklyn

Isaiah said it best: Beat your swords (and guns) into plowshares.

There is nothing new under the sun.

Dec. 17 2012 11:00 AM
Kate from Washington Heights

Hi Brian - Please - I'd really appreciate a segment soon with FACTS and STATISTICS about what kinds of gun laws work - also the practicality of a constitutional amendment to modify the second amendment. Thank you for your great work.

Dec. 17 2012 10:59 AM
adrienne from Upper west side

I don't know why our country is so violent with so many people incarcerated. When I was growing up, a neighbor next door was a concentration camp survivor and he had a gun. There should always be a guard in schools, a real guard or guards, I think having principals armed won't be as successful. Our country is simply not safe, we need to face up to it, manage it, change gun laws, but not live in a fantasy world. Also, how do kids in the inner city deal with their losses? Violence is a terrible problem so often, there. Do those kids get the grief counseling they need too?

Dec. 17 2012 10:58 AM
Joe from nearby

The NRA- the ultimate enabler.

Dec. 17 2012 10:58 AM
Joseph Cohen

we shouldn't accept the notion that folks will try to commit crimes at the same rates just with different implements (e.g. knives), if guns are unavailable. Please see a 2005 paper from Wharton Professor Jean Lemaire titled The Cost of Firearm Deaths in the United States: Reduced Life Expectancies and Increased Insurance Costs. The author found "the data do not support the existence of a compensation effect for homicides." In other words, people don't go out and just commit the same crime with a knife if there's no ready gun. Reducing the availability of guns will reduce our homicide rate.

Dec. 17 2012 10:57 AM
Leo from Queens

brooklynmom78 from Brooklyn: you FAIL to mention that Switzerland does not have a standing army and that it's citizens are all trained for civil defense and that these weapons don't have ammunition. Ammunition, AND the weapons, are controlled by the government and ammunition is released in case of an emergency.

And yes, it's also about the culture, In Switzerland they don't idealize and idolize gun ownership and the misogynistic use of weapons as we do here in the US.. The NRA has ensured to 'educate' a large segment of our population that our values and our freedoms all emanate for the end of a gun.

Dec. 17 2012 10:56 AM
Amy from Manhattan

I'm glad some people are talking about the mental health aspect of this. But it's not just about getting help & treatment for people who have mental illnesses. We need to destigmatize mental illness, so people are less likely to feel too ashamed to ask for help & less likely to feel the need to keep it a secret. I think 1 of the guests mentioned that in the U.S., the prison system is the country's biggest mental health program. If people having mental health issues, whether they have violent tendencies or not (& most don't), could see it's acceptable to come forward & be open about it, they might be able to get help before something terrible happens to them or to others.

Dec. 17 2012 10:54 AM
Inquisigal from Brooklyn

Completely ban semi-automatic and automatic guns, as well as the sale of ammo for these guns except to law enforcement officials.

Stop prescribing multitudes of drugs to kids and adults with behavioral or emotional issues, and require that they receive talk-based or more effective educational/behavioral therapy.

Put pressure on video game makers and Hollywood to stop producing so-called "entertainment" that glorifies the ease and "enjoyment" of killing people.
So many movies geared at young men feature violent scenes and assault weapons used in a cartoonish, unreal way - with little screen time ever given for what it actually feels like to kill a human being and watch them die.

Many things in our society have changed in the past 30 years, and much of it has to do with consumerism and "quick fixes" taking precedence over deep thinking and nuanced solutions to problems in our society. And the attacks by Republicans and Tea Partiers on social services and a move in our society toward a more "socialistic" European model of living is simply a way to get all of us sheep to keep working past capacity, producing and buying more products, and not pushing for a more balanced, healthy life.

Dec. 17 2012 10:52 AM
Sheldon from Brooklyn

Well said Joe - I have no problem with holding gun owners - civilly, and in some cases - criminally responsible for guns registered to them. If guns and their ownership were tracked the way we tracked cars, we would have less violence.

Dec. 17 2012 10:51 AM
clkq from nyc

for sure this woman should have kept her guns at the gun club if she knew her boy was unstable but there are more problems than just gun control. There is the crisis of what people do with their children who are mentally unstable, how difficult (if not impossible) it is to hospitalize our loved ones if they are refusing to take their meds, and the violence ever present in our videos games and movies. How about also our isolation? Our own anger and propensity for voicing in crass ways our frustration and hate? Take a look at facebook any day, but particularly now and during the elections, and it's filled with 4 letter words about the "other side' or the NRA.

Dec. 17 2012 10:49 AM
Mike from Inwood

The knife attack is China is prossibly more a result of the privileged class having access to better schools for their kids than most people and the frustration of the underprivileged.

Dec. 17 2012 10:49 AM
The Truth from Becky

So is it still worth it?

Dec. 17 2012 10:48 AM
Billy Rodriguez-Lopez from Weston, CT

Can we be more creative than just outright bans? What about personal liability policies on every firearm, or some clip size reduction? How about continuous re-evaluation and re-education for licensing/certification? We need to be more nuanced in our discussion because this is not a simple, black and white issue. How about some discussion of mental health? How about discussing our culture's gun obsession?

Dec. 17 2012 10:48 AM
Lisa from Sunnyside, New York

To clarify, President Obama did read the names of the adults killed as well. He did so earlier in the speech.

Dec. 17 2012 10:46 AM
brooklynmom78 from Park Slope, Brooklyn

As far as gun control: It's worth mentioning that switzerland has one of the highest rates of gun ownership in the world, yet one of the lowest crime rates. Is it a paradox? Or is it something cultural which is related to violent crime? Glorification of violence in the media? I'm disgusted with the attitude that I've seen in teenage kids lately. They need a little more discipline and some reality checks. RE: principals with guns--I don't think that principals should be forced to learn to shoot guns, HOWEVER, I do believe that having a full time security guard armed with a gun at every school might be prudent, considering the situation. At my high school, we also had metal detectors and random searches. It's a shame that it has to be that way, but these things would help.

Dec. 17 2012 10:45 AM
fuva from harlemworld

Is this knife rampage in China, under eerily similar circumstances, some kind of divine message? Yes, anything can be used as a weapon, but not to the same deadly effect.

Dec. 17 2012 10:44 AM
Sheldon from Brooklyn

Well said RUCB, when people get emotional, they want to blame everyone and everything.

At the end of the day, this woman did not secure her weapons securely from her son. There are millions of responsible LEGAL gun owners in this country. This incident - as horrible as it is, should not what they are judged by, anymore than drunk drivers that kill others are a reason to ban alcohol.

Dec. 17 2012 10:44 AM
brooklynmom78 from Park Slope, Brooklyn

As far as gun control: It's worth mentioning that switzerland has one of the highest rates of gun ownership in the world, yet one of the lowest crime rates. Is it a paradox? Or is it something cultural which is related to violent crime? Glorification of violence in the media? I'm disgusted with the attitude that I've seen in teenage kids lately. They need a little more discipline and some reality checks. RE: principals with guns--I don't think that principals should be forced to learn to shoot guns, HOWEVER, I do believe that having a full time security guard armed with a gun at every school might be prudent, considering the situation. At my high school, we also had metal detectors and random searches. It's a shame that it has to be that way, but these things would help.

Dec. 17 2012 10:44 AM
Mary from Congers

My 10-year-old daughter and 13-year-old son learned about this tragedy Friday afternoon while on the bus home from school. The driver had the news blaring, and my daughter came home and parroted the gruesome sound bites, having learned about this all alone and without my consent or my involvement. She has spent the past three nights in my bed with a "tummy ache" and being unable to sleep. Please alert the transportation departments of school districts to review their policy regarding playing news on the radio when innocent ears are listening.

Dec. 17 2012 10:40 AM
Joe from nearby

If the shooter's mother had kept her guns under lock and key, instead of letting her unstable son have access to them, she would still be alive today. So would all those innocent children and teachers.

Any gun owner who's gun is used in a crime should face mandatory jail time. This way the rest of us can sleep better knowing they are controlling their gun fetish. They can have their precious guns, but they better be d@mn careful with them.

Dec. 17 2012 10:40 AM
emily from fairfield, ct

There seems to be a reluctance to also question the role of the parents in this particular case. Why would anyone have had those kinds of guns in a house where this young man was clearly mentally ill?

Dec. 17 2012 10:40 AM

Not a fan of assault weapons but the idea of having people in charge of large groups may need to know what to do to protect them in time of crisis. I would think taking action is better than doing nothing in a situation like what we had.

Dec. 17 2012 10:39 AM

Having a gun or guns didn't help the mother much.

Dec. 17 2012 10:39 AM
VR from White Plains

10 Things we can do now in response to Newtown that doesn’t involve waiting for our legislators to enact new laws or pending laws.

1) Do not vacation in the States of Florida, South Carolina, North Carolina, Virginia and Pennsylvania. According to, these states with lax gun laws are known proliferators of illegally bought and smuggled weapons used in violent crimes in other states.
2) Occupy NRA headquarters in Fairfax Va. Identify the names of the actual NRA lobbyists and publish them.
3) Block entrances to gun shows and gun shops the same way anti-abortion activists do at women’s clinics
4) Name Names. See list of the top congressional recipients of campaign donations from the NRA. Vilify, shame, embarrass, disclose.
5) Bullets are made of lead, a known toxic substance. Petition town governments to enact extremely stringent and costly restrictions on disposal of lead at shooting ranges.
6) Boycott Walmart. Walmart is the nation’s leading retailer of guns and gun related products.
7) Name more Names: ID the CEO’s, directors, and majority shareholders of the major gun manufacturers in the U.S. among them, The Freedom Group, maker of the Bushmaster automatic weapon (owned by Cerberus Capital, a private equity firm)
8) Contact your Congress person and U.S. Senator and tell them how you feel about gun violence and what YOU intend to do about it. Do not ask them to do anything. You tell them what You Are going to do. Shame them in to following; do not wait for them to lead
9) Organize a massive rally on D.C. of anti-gun violence proponents; the rally must be held while Congress is in session so the law-makers can see, hear and feel our presence.
10) Start a grass roots organization to repeal the second amendment that includes confiscation of existing of firearms. Send the issue of firearm ownership back to the States where the individual States can issue licenses for hunting only.

Dec. 17 2012 10:38 AM
April from Manhattan


Dec. 17 2012 10:38 AM
tim from nyc

arming teachers or principals is a very difficult proposition.
they can be taught, trained and become expert in the use of a weapon.
*however* firing on another person is a hell of a thing to do.
even people that are trained to do exactly that can find it difficult to do.
now you want people that are highly trained to care for others to shoot another person.
not sure this idea can get out of the starting blocks.

brian: please read this comment.

Dec. 17 2012 10:37 AM

@Jim amen

Dec. 17 2012 10:37 AM
Pete from Brooklyn, NY

An argument that I often hear from the anti-gun control side is that "if people in Aurora, Sandy Hook, etc were armed, this thing would have been over really quick."

I think of the Empire State Building shooting where nine people were shot. Only one of them was shot by the suspect. The remainder were shot by trained police officers in an adrenaline-filled moment of emergency. I don't imagine that more people shooting in a crowded movie theater or primary school makes things better. Furthermore, who will the first responders aim at when they appear on a scene like that? It sounds like a recipe for multiplied mayhem to me.

Dec. 17 2012 10:36 AM

The news media did an awful job. ie, reporting false rumors, and the wall to wall coverage when there was no new information to report.

Dec. 17 2012 10:36 AM
francyne from Pelham Bay Park

Ms Lanza should have had a gun safe or kept her guns at her shooting club. She knew she had a nutcase son. He tried to stab her because she wanted him to return library books. Too late now, but that nutcase should have been locked up in a mental hospital.

Dec. 17 2012 10:34 AM
BK from Hoboken

Yes, arm the teachers!
Are these people serious?! More guns is the solution?! We already have 250-300 million guns in circulation in the US! The NRA is a mouthpiece for the gun manufacturers. It's about money for the manufacturers, not the second amendment. As one hunter said on Friday, he doesn't need more than one bullet because once he shoots one bullet, every animal within a mile is gone. Why do we need semi autos with huge clips other than to kill?
Why hasn't one journalist or politician compared this event to the one in China on Friday? A crazy man entered a school and injured 22 with a knife. But no one died because China is not flooded with guns. Here, the same thing happens but 27 die because the same crazy killer has easy access to brutally effective killing equipment, aka semi autos. So no, ou worn stop all these rampages but you wills make them less deadly.

Dec. 17 2012 10:33 AM

If we want to live in a society that worships violence we should just get use to these types of experiences

Dec. 17 2012 10:32 AM
tim from nyc

@Jennifer @Caitlin - thank you for engaging the discussion at a deeper level.
thank you for offering hard solutions to hard problems.
i hope things will become uncomfortable for 'status quo' second amendment.

Dec. 17 2012 10:32 AM
carolita from NYC

The idea of arming principals or teachers is insane! What it THEY"re the ones who snapped? What if a student finds the gun? If the gun is in SUCH a safe place that this couldn't happen, how easy would it be for the person needing it to get at it anyway? And what if one of the well-intentioned teachers also had a gun, and was running to the principal's office and the principal thought they were the killer and killed them mistakenly? Or what if one of the teachers was the killer and the principal started shooting at each other? That's just craziness.
I think it's enough to have metal detectors at all schools, and to have lockdowns and emergency drills. We can't have people with guns in schools. Just KNOWING that the principal or teacher has a gun is putting danger and perhaps ideas in the minds of children.

Dec. 17 2012 10:31 AM
USCDADNYC from Queens NY

Given the entrenchment of the NRA on the subject of Gun Control, certain measures can be taken to mitigate (but not Eliminate)Mass Shootings. Having a Police Officer in each Classroom is Impractical, but there is another way. I believe all Classrooms (and Indoor Public Areas) have Fire Alarm Stations. Equip the Teachers/Adults w/ a Wireless Panic-Button that can Trigger an "Panic Alarm". It would be more affordable to modify the Fire Alarm System than to install a new Security/Alarm System. Reports have it that the Sandy Hook School Shooter committed Suicide when he heard the First Responders entering the building. Anything we can do to deter/interrupt Possible Shooters, we should do. My proposal is of many possible solutions.

Dec. 17 2012 10:31 AM

What if the only guns that were legal were the kind around at the time the Constitution was written? Can't shoot multiple rounds then.

Dec. 17 2012 10:30 AM
Leo from Queens

RUCB - The NRA is a criminal organization actively working to destabilize the US government - Just dial their main number and listen to the accusations against the president of the US and this government.

ONLY COWARDS don't take responsibility for their actions - The killer is ultimately responsible, but the NRA has blood on its hands.

Wayne LaPierre is sick evil bastard

Dec. 17 2012 10:30 AM

How about a heavy federal tax on all gun and ammo sales (even enough to double the price), all of which goes to fund mental health services? (Obviously this wouldn't be the only thing to fix the problem, but it would probably help some.)

Dec. 17 2012 10:29 AM
Jennifer from Westchester

As the parent of a 6,9 and 10 yr old-I waited to tell them and I just said it was highly unlikely it could happen to them and have made a very small deal of it. On the other hand, it infuriates me that this 20 year old, who was known to be mentally ill not only had access to guns, but training through his mother recreationally. Shouldn't there be stricter background checks about the people living in the home of a gun owner? Shouldn't people w/children registered w/the state as mentally ill be flagged during the gun background check? In Aurora-why couldn't the psychiatirst in the future put a flag on a kid like that that could block him from obtaining guns or ammo? Stricter rules, including a really good reason for owning assualt and automatic weapons?

Dec. 17 2012 10:27 AM
Leo from Queens

"Congressman" Gohmer is an idiot on the payroll of the NRA. - He wishes to 'God' that the teacher would have had a weapon? Does he even think about what it would have taken to prevent this guy.

The question should be to what 'God' he prays to.. Vermin like this in congress is what is destroying this country.

To claim that our educators, for which our society has NO RESPECT and for which we want to pay minimum wage, should now be trained to be navy seals while supposedly educating our children.

Dec. 17 2012 10:26 AM
fuva from harlemworld

tp, nah. It IS a valid question.
Even if we could ban Nancy Lanza from legally purchasing such weapons, could we keep them out of the hands of criminals?
Is the scenario in which they are armed and we are not (1) likely and (2) a cause for concern?

Dec. 17 2012 10:26 AM

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state,..."

It does not say anything about the right to hunt.
It does not say anything about the right to protect private property.

If you are not training and organized by one of the 50 states, then the 2nd Amendment is not for you.

And, a principal with a pistol is no match for a 20 year old with body armor and a machine gun. He would have picked her off before she even got the safety flipped off.

Dec. 17 2012 10:25 AM
tim from nyc

if we are to develop new laws regulating guns, we need to address them as a whole.
in my mind, the type of gun is not the issue. a 6" snip revolver can kill as easily as an assault rifle.
do we *really* care about how many people get killed in such a shooting?
is 1 death acceptable?

Dec. 17 2012 10:25 AM

This shooting is not the NRA's fault. Stop acting like they are to blame. They didn't shoot anybody on Friday. The shooter's mom - an apparent survivalist and 'gun nut' enabled her mentally deranged son's killing spree.

Certainly, if she had known that his violent outburst was possible, she should have kept her weapons in a gunsafe and not given him the combination. Has anyone asked themselves why he stopped at twenty kids when he could have killed so many more? He owned that school and could have continued to kill until SWAT teams arrived and dropped him. But he stopped at 20...Why? My wife's theory is that he took one for each year he was alive. Crazy, right? But so was he.

Ft Hood, Phoenix, Aurora, Sandy Hook Elementary - these things can't be stopped but their frequency can and *must* be reduced. [It is scary that incidents like Clackamas which happened earlier this week, get pushed off the event timeline by completely incomprehensible events like Newtown.]

If people 'going off' is a more likely event in our society for whatever the reason, we need to substantially reduce the possibility that they can use modern firearms to multiply the lethality of their lapse.

The NRA needs to lead the way in reasonable changes to the easy availability of battlefield and battlefield-style weapons among our citizens. Gun owners if you have someone who is 'mentally unstable' in your home, be prepared to take the extra steps to make sure your weapons are safely stored and inaccessible to mentally ill family members. Assault weapon style gun ownership is not a right.

Dec. 17 2012 10:25 AM

Guns or no guns, this sort of thing will happen as long as we continue to glorify violence in popular culture. People think that Quentin Tarantino is a genius. Go figure.

Dec. 17 2012 10:25 AM
Jf from Ny

Doesnt anyone else find this a little sick to be talking about these peoples misery like its all there is in the world for the next 24/7? It strikes me as perverted the way the media keeps going on and on. It takes the sincerity away.

Dec. 17 2012 10:22 AM
Leo from Queens

Aethiops : You are telling me that law abiding citizens should be able to buy military weapons that can shoot over 50 rounds in one minute!? What evil planet do you come from? or what violent video game do you come from?

give me ONE (1) reason why a civilian needs to be able to shoot hundreds of bullets in 1 or 2 minutes.

These innocent kids were NOT SHOT at and were not killed. They were BUTCHERED with multiple bullets that shreaded and tore up their limbs, facial features, etc.

Are those needed to go hunting? Stop the BS

Dec. 17 2012 10:22 AM
Roger from New York

Brian, you mentioned that some are saying the principal and other adults at Sandy Hook should have been armed. We've heard this before. In a culture that does not recognize its addiction, it isn’t surprising that some think the solution is to increase the presence of guns by arming everyone. If the “good guys” have guns as well, then attackers can be thwarted before they do harm, the argument goes. This advice reflects the degree to which America has lost touch with reality. Imagine a world in which we are all carrying weapons all the time – no rational person can really believe this is the way forward. Let's not let the inmates run the asylum!

Dec. 17 2012 10:22 AM
tim from nyc

if strong gun regulations infuriate law-abiding, responsible gun owners, then what happens next is on their watch. they should be the ones to rail and rage against the maniacs that walk our society gunning down innocent people, making mincemeat of the second amendment. strong second amendment supporters need to make the necessary changes to our laws to preserve their rights. if not, those opposed to the second amendment will take it upon themselves to converge on the law.

Dec. 17 2012 10:22 AM
foodaggro from Brooklyn

I hope this tragedy is the final straw, forcing a big change in firearms legislation and maybe even new mental health guidelines. The shooter was known to suffer from severe mental illness, a "ticking timebomb," so it would be a smart move to monitor and treat people like this in order to prevent further violent incidents.

Citizens should be able to own a gun. Just not more than one. Or more than a clip of ammo. And is it just me, or does anyone else question the right to own a military style assault rifle? Don't try to tell me it's for "protection" or "hunting." These types of weapons are produced for one reason only: to massacre large groups of people.

I will never get over this horrible event. May those innocent little souls rest in peace.

Dec. 17 2012 10:20 AM

"...out of the hands of criminals..." prior to the mass killing, these shooters are not criminals... they have no record. you're asking the wrong question, fuva.

Dec. 17 2012 10:18 AM
Lee Bartell from NYC

Fact: Our 2nd Amendment allows militias to arm themselves, it never said that an individual could arm oneself. That's the word of the NRA.

Question: Why is it as easy to buy a gun online, as it is to buy a book from Amazon?

Contrast: President Obama goes to Newtown, CT, to speak to the families of this tragedy, while George W. Bush didn't visit one family of those who killed by the DC shooter a few years ago, and they were all within a few miles from the White House.

Dec. 17 2012 10:18 AM

Can you ask 1 of the drs (or both) about the use of prescription drugs in shooting cases (or many abnormal events)

Dec. 17 2012 10:18 AM
Leo from queens

For those of you on this thread claiming that we should not do anything because these weapons are already there or that we should have more guns or give teachers military weapons to 'protect' their students I say this - STOP THE BS!. Stop the talking points from the NRA. These weapons were 'legally' purchased because politicians have been intimidated or bought off to pass these laws to provide these loopholes so that gun manufacturers can continue to increase their profits.

The time for BS is over!.

Dec. 17 2012 10:17 AM
Ann in NYC from NYC

Please note, people can't shoot guns if they don't have ammunition. Ban the sale of ammunition.

Dec. 17 2012 10:16 AM
fuva from harlemworld

Leo from Queens, I hear you. And I feel you...
To truly solve the problem, we must look ALL of these issues squarely in the face.

Dec. 17 2012 10:15 AM
lcruz from brooklyn

Brain, a Jewish sounding name, what is that ? is like Abarca a Sephardic Jewish name, oh right, only Ashkenazis count in nyc.

Dec. 17 2012 10:15 AM
Ann from Westchester

Could you please read the names of the adults too?


Dec. 17 2012 10:14 AM
Sheldon from Brooklyn

Hmm, these guns were purchased legally. Do you guys really think that if those types of guns were banned tomorrow, there would be no more of these tragedies? There are too many guns in already in existence, along with people who not mentally balanced.

Dec. 17 2012 10:14 AM
Aethiops from Brooklyn

As tragic as the event was, more disarmament policies (so-called "gun control") is NOT the answer. Much like illegal drugs (and the so-called "drug war") criminals will always have guns one way or another. If the criminals have them illegally, qualified citizens should be able to have them legally without fan fair. PERIOD!

Dec. 17 2012 10:13 AM
Arlene from New Jersey

I'm beyond angry and disgusted. How can we as a society, continue to let this happen? And not hold our politicians accountable? Not hold ourselves accountable?

The news media interviewed gun shop owners who said immediately following the news of the school shooting sales soared. How vile! Children are dead in Newtown, children all over American cities are dying every single day because of gun violence, yet all these people can think about is getting their hands on more guns? There is something WRONG with our society and our mindset. I don't know how to wrap my head around this. I don't think things will ever get better. I fear this will just become another school shooting, another mass murder and we will just brush it off because we've just become numb.

Dec. 17 2012 10:10 AM
Roger from New York

Will the anguish and outrage provoked by Newtown result in meaningful legislation limiting access to guns? The truth is that Americans lead the world in private gun ownership. Every year, 100,000 Americans are killed or wounded by guns, not counting wars. Beyond those who own a gun – one-third of the population – the notion that individuals have a right to possess virtually any type of weapon is ingrained in our society. Even guns and ammunition based on designs for law enforcement and military use meet with acceptance. A semi-automatic, military-style – and entirely legal – rifle inflated the death toll in Newtown. The question is whether society has the common sense to restrict access to weapons intended to maximize death and injury. We've waited too long to address this problem, so new laws could be largely futile at first due to the millions of weapons already in private hands – but there has to be a first step to restore a degree of sanity.

Dec. 17 2012 10:09 AM
Leo from Queens

Fuva from Harlem. We need to have a detailed intelligent and nuanced discussion about access to military weapons and about mental health and how we deal with it as a society. But DO NOT try to cover up the role that money and organized crime has to do with this - There has been a very deliberate campaign to remove all accountability and reporting of weapon and ammunition sales so that gun manufacturers can maximize their profits by selling to the drug cartels and organized crime. As a result, gun sales have grown exponentially for the past 20 years and 30% of those go to the drug cartels. This gives the gun manufacturers a way to sell to criminals WITHOUT being held accountable since they can't sell to criminals directly and legally.

Dec. 17 2012 10:08 AM
Robert from NYC

Wow, imagine how it is in Gaza where the killing of very young children at a massive rate happens fairly regularly. It shouldn't happen here, it shouldn't happen there.

Dec. 17 2012 10:08 AM
Lenore from Manhattan

Here is an "extreme" proposal on gun control: I would BAN ANY private ownership of guns, rifles, etc. etc. Nothing, except for law enforcement. If this ends the right to kill furry and flying things, so be it. We can use contraception to regulate those species that we aren't going to make extinct with our other policies and practices, anyway.

I don't want to hear about what can be "realistically" expected. This is the time to be brave and out there.

(I would also eliminate the Electoral College, but that's another story.)

Dec. 17 2012 10:07 AM
sp from nyc

I am old enough to remember when they closed the mental hospitals, many of which, it is true, were snake pits. But they were supposed to be replaced by community mental health centers. That never happened. Instead, we see the homeless mentally ill on the streets, until they do something ghastly enough to end up in prison, now our de facto mental health facilities of last resort. What has happened to us?

Dec. 17 2012 10:06 AM
Leo from Queens

Rita from Chappaqua: I'm with you. We are beyond prayer and sorrow. We need to act forcefully against the criminal gangs that the NRA represents because they are not praying, they are doing and buying off politicians.

We must hold our coward politicians responsible because they have blood on their hands too. !

Dec. 17 2012 10:04 AM
fuva from harlemworld

Have these events increased in frequency? Is there some historical correlation between them and gun legislation?
How to certify "mental illness"? What's the threshold?
Is there really a way to keep restricted guns out of the hands of criminals?
Is an unarmed citizenry really no cause for concern?
...What we really need are more effective ways to have informed discourse around this and other nuanced issues.

Dec. 17 2012 10:02 AM
Ann in NYC from NYC

How about a ban on the sale of ammunition for assault weapons?

Dec. 17 2012 10:01 AM
Leo from Queens

The time for sadness and sorrow is over!. I'm angry and we need to take action against the NRA and the gun traffickers. The NRA is no longer a 2nd amendment rights or a sportsman promoting organization. If you dial their number there is a recorded message about OBAMA and how we will take away all of our freedoms.

The NRA is a criminal gun trafficking organization. IT is against any laws to restrict or control these military weapons and ammunition because this allows the gun manufacturers and traffickers to sell to organized crime and the drug cartels.
It's main objective is to instill fear about the government as a cover in order to increase it's transfer of military weapons to the drug cartels. This is all for profit.
We CANNOT say we are a nation of values and family and that we love our children when we passively allow a criminal organization to take over our government so our children can be slaughtered and used for target practice!.

If we are not going to do anything then let's replace all our crosses and stars of David with the image of a rifle because that is our GOD!

Dec. 17 2012 09:55 AM
Rita from Chappaqua, NY

While we are all concerned about mental health, we should not let the NRA and other anti-gun regulation organizations change the subject from regulation to mental health care. That is merely another version of the "people, not guns, kill people" argument, and we must not let the conversation be manipulated away from the real issue: gun control.

Every society has had mentally ill people, and ours has handled the problem ineffectively. Yet we have also given the very small number of mentally ill people who commit mass murders a protocol: costume, venue, weapons, script -- for such atrocities. Taking automatic weapons out of the hands of the mentally ill must be our first priority.

I am tired of watching these horrors unfold on CNN. It is time to stop praying and start acting. Tougher gun laws, and strict enforcement, are the way to interrupt the narrative.

Dec. 17 2012 09:22 AM

The fed response to Sandy Hook will be as follows: ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, because Mitch McConnell, John Boehner, and Eric Cantor are too ignorant to confront the NRA and Barack Obama, Harry Reid, and Nancy Pelosi are too gutless to confront the NRA.

Obama will pursue meaningful solutions to deal with gun violence with the same zeal and vigor that he displayed in support of Susan Rice to become the next SOS. For 4 yrs, Obama has governed as a cowering, whimpering milquetoast living in mortal fear of Republicans. Obama is a joke who lacks the intestinal fortitude to fight for anything other than keeping his own job.

If members of the Wash DC Press Corps possessed a shred of competence or integrity, they’d hound and harass McConnell, Boehner, and Cantor 24/7 until they explained to the American people why the interests of the NRA outweigh the interests of the nation. McConnell, Boehner, and Cantor don’t deserve a moment of peace until they end their slavish obedience to the NRA.

Dec. 17 2012 09:22 AM

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