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The 21st Century Wage Gap?

Monday, August 13, 2007

For young urban women, are the streets of New York paved with gold? Andrew Beveridge, a demographer at Queens College and author of No Quick Riches for New York’s Twentysomethings in Gotham Gazette, talks about his research that shows young urban women are outearning their male counterparts. He’s joined by Jane Celwyn, dean of career development at Barnard College, and author Lois Frankel, founder of Corporate Coaching International.

Guests:

Andrew Beveridge, Jane Celwyn and Lois Frankel

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Comments [14]

Lucas from Manhattos

To answer Mike from Jersey, France has a higher birth rate than the USA. France's birth rate is higher than all other core EU countries, i.e excluding Slovenia and the new ones that joined after the end of the Cold War.

The birth rate shot up recently and they are having a difficult time staffing the day care because govt pays for it.

Aug. 15 2007 09:39 AM
Corin from manhattan

There are a lot of occupations I can think of which are male-only or at least highly masculine (construction, transit, driving a cab, car sales). Some are feminine, but most "feminine" jobs are also occupied by males (nurses, social workers, nanny, etc.) This explains part of the wage gap.

Also, I think that males have less of a glass ceiling even when they're in "feminine" occupations. I can't see this as true for myself, because I have not had much luck recently in the job market even though I have a degree.

Aug. 13 2007 12:38 PM
chris from manhattan


Don't forget: As industrial work continues to decline in this country (replaced by the service sector), educated women will further outpace men across the board.

Aug. 13 2007 11:38 AM
Robert from NYC

Yes, men for sure do have a higher opinion of themselves and unjustifiably so, in most cases!

Aug. 13 2007 11:36 AM
Mike from Jersey City from Hoboken, NJ

Despite vastly superior public support for child rearing, the birth rate in Western Europe is much lower than in the U.S.

Why?

Aug. 13 2007 11:32 AM
JW from Williamsburg

Re: the closing discussion on women "being strategic" about planning their careers and "balancing work and family." Why is this only a question women have to answer? How many men have visited a career counselor or a mentor figure to out how to "balance" work and family. They don't, because the assumption--unconsciously reiterated in this segment--is that raising children (or caring for aging parents) is unpaid and largely unappreciated work, which in our society means "women's work." As long as work policies favor the breadwinner/housewife model (which we KNOW is a minority of the nation), this inequality will persist, and women will continue to work harder for less remuneration, whatever statistics say.

Aug. 13 2007 11:30 AM
Graham from Paris


Let's be sure to focus on gender differences in fairness to the exclusion of all other broader considerations of fairness which adversely effect both men and women. It's the standard, accepted American way of looking at things--just as in done in speaking of gender politics. That way, we can ignore general across-the-board unfairness in the world of hiring and firing and of paid (or unpaid) work.

Employers will love it! Keep the spotlight off general unfairness, huh?!? Women who prove themselves to be just as driven, just as ready to stop at nothing to succeed as their male counterparts get their due pay in the NYC area. Let's celebrate that, huh?

Aug. 13 2007 11:29 AM
Tanya from Manhattan

One of the reasons women drop out of the work force or fall back in terms of salaries is because they are forced to decide between having a child or a career. With virtually no maternity leave, women have to either leave their job, or go back to work in a position that doesn't not allow career advancement if they're not prepared to leave their babies in the care of others 5 days a week.

Aug. 13 2007 11:24 AM
Lucas from Man

Also the tax code would discourage married women from taking low paid jobs. It only makes sense if the second wage is high if the primary male earner is highly taxed.

For men, they all are expected to get a job regardless if it is low paid.

Aug. 13 2007 11:22 AM
Lucas from Man

The statistics shown on the article linked to above say that when we normalize for having a college degree, women workers have only 89% of wages of males. It turns out the a higher proportion of women have college degrees. And the wage for college grads are higher.

Aug. 13 2007 11:14 AM
Jacqueline from Sunnyside

I feel that indeed, in most of the country, women do make less money than men. The few who make more than men are amazing and great, and probably work very hard to earn that extra 25-35%. But as a young, recent college graduate who moved to the NYC area within the last few months, I still haven't found a job, and the only ones that seem to be available are low-paying wage jobs. Breaking into the labor market as a recent grad and woman is depressingly still tough.

Aug. 13 2007 11:12 AM
Chris from brooklyn

in a word these statistics are misleading. They only take into account median incomes- thus don't show how most of the money in NYC is made by men down on wall street (in median, over 50K is just that- if you made a million you are still just above the median, for example). like the other poster said, Black and latino women do make more. But asian men make the same as women, and white men make more than women. those are the two ethnic groups that make more. you can tell these stats are BS just by the fact that the total number is 117% but none of the 4 ethnic groups is even close to that number. sometimes averages can be deceptive, here the median is deceptive.

Aug. 13 2007 11:11 AM
Lucas from Man

Black women are taking good jobs and black young men are not. What about white men and women, what careers or jobs?

Aug. 13 2007 11:10 AM
tree from bklyn

What gets lost in this story is that the wage winners are black and latino women. White women, according to the numbers, still earn a little less than white men. What does this say about the worth our economy places on black and latino men? They are an undervalued commodity.

Aug. 13 2007 10:30 AM

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