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Abbas at the UN

Thursday, November 29, 2012

Mahmoud Abbas, President of the Palestinian Authority, holds a copy of the letter requesting Palestinian statehood as he speaks during the United Nations General Assembly September 23, 2011 at UN head (Stan Honda/AFP/Getty)

Steve Clemons, Washington editor at large for The Atlantic, talks about what to expect when President Mahmoud Abbas of the Palestinian Authority vies for "non-member observer" status at the United Nations.

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Comments [14]

When I hear that European countries like France, Austria, and [can you believe it?] Germany are lining up in support of the Fatah (an organization that voting results show does not represent the "Palestinians", I am appalled and outraged. Given their disgraceful history vis a vis the Jewish people, they are giving chutzpah a bad name.

I cannot refrain from pointing out - as I always do when the subject of "Palestinian" nationhood arises, that the Dome of the rock is built ON TOP OF the ruins of King David's Temple in Jerusalum. When I hear a reasonable explantion for this indisputable fact, I might consider that it is the "Palestinians" who hold moral primacy on the issue of legitimacy to rule in the biblical land of Israel.

Nov. 29 2012 11:18 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

Nobody loses their job taking a pro-Palestinian position these days, not in the US nor in Israel nor anyplace.What one NEVER hears is the pro-Israel position that outlines why Judah and Samaria are rightfully Jewish lands that were occupied by the Arabs after the Arab occupation of 638 AD. One does not hear how Jews were forced to accept Islam or lose their land by paying exhorbitant taxes levelled on Jews and Christians, which is why few Christians own land as well and why few Jews who wanted to remain Jews were left in Palestine. Like the "indians" of North America, the Jews were marginalized and their numbers were radically reduced by Islamization policies that reduced Jews and Christians to the status of "dhimmis" to be heavily taxed and marginalized.

Nov. 29 2012 11:06 AM
Edward from Washington Heights AKA pretentious Hudson Heights

Tutu?

Google "Tutu racist".

Nov. 29 2012 11:06 AM
Fibre from Ny

It's not often one hears such an analysis of the Palestinian situation coming from a
US journalist. He is gonna lose his job , He spoke some truths that all freedom loving people of the world already
Know and will be reflected in the UN vote today. The occupation
Is illegal and immoral. To have a black man like Obama
TAke a side opposite to that of Mandela, Tutu et al and support oppression
Is a disgrace. I am again vindicated in my decision not to vote for him. It would
Tarnish the memory of Biko, Lumumba and all the leaders of slave revolts and those
Who aspire for freedom, sovereignty and self determination. Freedom for ALL people's of the world

Nov. 29 2012 10:57 AM
Edward from Washington Heights AKA pretentious Hudson Heights

When hamass, the claimed democratically elected government of gaza deliberately fires rockets from civilian areas at Israel, when hamass purposely stores weapons in mosques and schools, when hamass terrorists fight while wearing civilian clothing to appear as "civilians", when hamass leaders hide in bunkers and leave the civilian population to fend for themselves with shelters, then hamass is a terrorist organization.

Nov. 29 2012 10:48 AM
Edward from Washington Heights AKA pretentious Hudson Heights

Of the FIVE attacking armies in 1948, which one was the army of "palestine"?

Nov. 29 2012 10:43 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

The very essence and purpose of the "Palestinian national movement"is not to create an Arab state living peacefully alongside a a Jewish state, because they could have had that in 1947 and even in 2000. No, the purpose is only to destroy the Jewish State and eventually re-occupy Haifa, Ramle, Lod and even Tel Aviv. Let no one be fooled by this nonsense. They have had many chances to a peaceful Palestinian state alongside a Jewish state in the past, but have chosen a dual track policy of "resistance" (Hamas) and phony "accomodation" (fatah) but with the same end goal: the end and Arab reoccupation of the Jewish state. Period.

Nov. 29 2012 10:41 AM
J

This is insane. Thanks to supposedly "surgical strikes" you can strike 5 blocks away from a hospital treating children and collecting headless corpses, 3 blocks away from a refugee camp, incinerate journalists, kill children playing soccer and no mainstream news outlet will call it genocide.

Your guest is right when he says this is not Israel vs Palestine. This is mass murder vs freedom fighters.

Nov. 29 2012 10:41 AM
Edward from Washington Heights AKA pretentious Hudson Heights

Jordan is "palestine" and the "palestinians" have a King and beautiful Queen.

Nov. 29 2012 10:39 AM
Truth & Beauty from Brooklyn

It's hard to explain this lack of logic to Mr. Abbas, but "Palestine" is NOT currently a state, so how he can petition to make it an observer "state" is incomprehensible. It may well be a symbolic gesture, but it is merely symbolic of the fact that people are willing to lick all kinds of butt, regardless of its illogic and political repercussions. "Palestine" needs to become a "state" before it gets any kind of recognition as one; thus far, I don't see that happening as long as Hamas and Fatah and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine and the Muslim Brotherhood can't agree on ANYTHING.

Mr. Abbas, come back when you've actually formed a state.

Nov. 29 2012 10:37 AM
Miriam Greene from Tribeca

I wholeheartedly support Palestine's bid for legitimate statehood. So long as Israel and the U.S. continue to marginalize the Palestinians, there can never be progress or peace in the region. Palestinians will be less likely to support extremists once they have some hope for a better life. The U.S. should be ashamed of the barriers it has created to Palestinian statehood for so many years.

Nov. 29 2012 10:36 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

As usual, National Palestinian Radio (NPR) chooses a pro-Palestinian mouthpiece to interview and not a right wing Israeli. Always the default position of NPR is to be pro-Palestinian. Which is why NPR will never see a dime out of me.

Nov. 29 2012 10:34 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

The creation of a 22nd Arab state without Israeli permission in Judah and Samaria only brings the world closer to nuclear war. The Arabs do not have to recognize Israel as the national Jewish state while recognition is being give to a newly contrived nationality called "Palestinian" invented after 1948. Such a new state will soon enough claim the right to have an army, and air force and treaties with Iran, and if Israel is forced to send in troops again, that would mean violation of the UN Charter by aggressing a UN-authorized state.Of course when the UN-authorized Jewish State was attacked on May 14th, 1948 by 7 Arab armies, the UN said nothing and did nothing to castigate the Arab aggressors. But if Israel now is forced to attack the UN-authorized Palestinian state, it will be sanctioned and deemed an aggressor under the UN Charter. What is going to happen today will not lead to peace but the very extreme opposite of peace without a doubt. Only a negotiated peace treaty can guarantee the possibility of true and permanent peace.

Nov. 29 2012 10:21 AM
Peter from North Carolina

The Palestinian people democratically elected an internationally recognized terrorist organization and now the UN is granting them observer status. Will the Taliban and al-Qaeda also gain observer status?

The UN is missing an opportunity. It should have come back to the Palestinians with a simple deal – if you finally agree to sit down and negotiate with Israel we will consider your status request. Instead, the Palestinians are rewarded for terrorizing Israel and rejecting negotiations. Alan Dershowitz is right, the UN rewards Palestinian terror every time.

Nov. 29 2012 10:17 AM

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