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The Untold History of the United States

Thursday, November 15, 2012

Director Oliver Stone and historian Peter Kuznick discuss the Showtime documentary series and the companion book The Untold History of the United States, which challenge the traditional history books in a thoroughly researched and rigorously analyzed look at the dark side of American history in their account of the rise and decline of the American empire.

The 10-part series Oliver Stone's Untold History of the United States airs every Monday night at 8pm on Showtime.

 

Guests:

Peter Kuznick and Oliver Stone

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Comments [14]

james andrea from Brick, NJ

Valiko is right, just look at the old Soviet 'Union' and the Eastern Bloc - unless you are Pres. Ford in a debate-induced brain-fog about Soviet domination. And dboy sums it up: Oliver Stone: One of the ones you wish were not on your side. He so conflated facts in JFK that Warren skeptics got a bad name. And the Japanese may have seen the war as lost, but their mindset was to fight on - and they would have. Even with the A bombs (plural) the Emperor had to quell the military wish for national hari-kari in a glorious ball of fire. Stone's 'daddy issues' cause him to reject the right; Kuznick sounds stuck at age 12 & proud of it.

Nov. 15 2012 05:26 PM
Taher from Croton on Hudson

The issues is whether the United States can continue having an outsized, oversized military as an imperial global police force with a shrinking and permanently troubled economy? Where is the money going to come from?
The imperialist, Mr. Neil Ferguson, has no answers here. Imperialists are always the loudest at the end of empire.

Nov. 15 2012 01:16 PM
Jennifer V. Jones

Great questions and conversation, albeit too brief - Prof. Kusnik is knowledgeable and Mr. Stone is obviously passionate. However, some of their comments sounded like generalizations without full explanations. For example, at the end of the segment, assertions about President Obama's will to do "what's right" had changed once he became president went unsupported and unchallenged - I would like to know if either gentleman had considered the political, historical, and personal insights shared by Mr. Obama in The Audacity of Hope, OR in what ways and for what reasons do they advocate putting/keeping the "pressure" on President Obama given the fact that in so many ways, he cannot act alone even to "do the right thing"!
I will definitely watch the documentary.

Nov. 15 2012 01:13 PM

It's surprising to hear Mssrs. Stone and Kuznick refer to Stalin as non-expansionist. "Communism in one country" was a slogan only -- if the USSR was "one country" it is only because the boundaries of that country just kept growing and growing. Stalin (albeit under Lenin) presided over the violent annexing of the Caucasus (Georgia in particular), the starving of Ukraine to prevent secession; signed the 1939 pact with Hitler to absorb Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia into that "one country." He then proceeded to hold Eastern Europe under an iron fist, all but expanding the USSR's boundaries to include Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, East Germany, Romania, Yugoslavia -- and to the East, Mongolia. By no stretch of the imagination can that be called "non-expansionist."

If that were true, "Russia" would have remained within the borders it now occupies (though continuously expanding those as well, to wit: Abkhazia, S.Ossetia, Transdnestria), and would not have forced 14 wholly un-related peoples in to the "Union".

Nov. 15 2012 01:12 PM

john from office~

...curious comment. Have you shared this with your therapist?

Nov. 15 2012 01:00 PM
john from office

Vidal and Stone will endup in hell, proforming sodomy on each other. As they spout wisdom

Nov. 15 2012 12:57 PM
Amy from Manhattan

Has the UN Committee on the Peaceful Uses of Outer Space said anything about the militarization (electronic or otherwise) of space that the guests mentioned?

Nov. 15 2012 12:57 PM

Oliver Stone: One of the ones you wish were not on your side.

Nov. 15 2012 12:54 PM

HOWARD ZINN!!!

Nov. 15 2012 12:52 PM

Sorry, john from office~

Very bad taste in film.

And, even worse perception of unmitigated, asymmetrical, immoral warfare when it happens.

Nov. 15 2012 12:51 PM
john from office

I am not sure who is a bigger self absorbed A hole, Gore Vidal or Mr. Stone.

Nov. 15 2012 12:49 PM
john from office

Len so all the Marines who died in the Island hopping program were killed by no one??

You should not let people just say any thing they want Len. Many Marines were saved by the A bomb.

Nov. 15 2012 12:45 PM

WAIT!!! Didn't Howard Zinn write the original, less pompous, self important version of this very same book??

http://www.historyisaweapon.com/zinnapeopleshistory.html

Nov. 15 2012 12:44 PM
john from office

Mr. Stone is a great film maker and I have alot of respect for his talent. But, he has serious daddy issues when it comes to the USA and a serious blind spot when it comes to tinpot dictators like Castro and Chavez.

Wall Street, Platoon, JFK and On Any Sunday are great movies.

Nov. 15 2012 08:16 AM

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