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Special Coverage: Hurricane Sandy

Monday, October 29, 2012

WNYC news host and reporter Richard Hake and NJPR host David Furst join Brian for the latest news on the storm, with WNYC reporters and other guests, including live coverage of Gov. Cuomo's and Mayor Bloomberg's press conferences.  Plus, your calls.


Guests include:

Adam Sobel, professor of Climate and Atmospheric Science at Columbia University

Ben Smith, editor-in-chief of BuzzFeed and political columnist for Politico

Sam Kille, regional communications director for New York Red Cross

George Contreras, professor of the MPA Program in Emergency and Disaster Management at the Metropolitan College of New York

Guests:

George Contreras, David Furst, Richard Hake, Sam Kille, Ben Smith and Adam Sobel

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Comments [62]

LINDA TRIMBLE from LONG BEACH NY

I HEARD THE GOVERNOR OF N.Y DECLARED SANDY A TROPICAL STORM NOT HURRICANE THEREFORE INS. CO. SHOULD NOT BE TAKING DEDUCTABLES FOR HURRICANE. CAN SOMEONE PLEASE GIVE ME THE GOVERNORS STATEMENT ON THIS AS I AM HAVING A HARD TIME WITH INS. CO. THANK YOU

Dec. 23 2012 04:52 PM
OSA

i'm upset that you continuously cut into the regular programming such as ALL THINGS CONSIDERED for repetitive and meaningless local coverage. i wait all week to hear EJ DION and DAVID BROOKS offer their opinions about the past week and twice (at 4pm and 6pm) you cut away from the national broadcast for local coverage. please consider the comforting effect that sticking to the usual routine has for people trying to cope with the dark and cold aftermath of the storm.

Nov. 02 2012 06:26 PM
Sarah Josephson from Windsor Terrace, Brooklyn

Windsor Terrace was relatively untouched by Sandy. What can we do to help others? Where do we need volunteers? What kinds of donations are needed?

Nov. 01 2012 08:37 AM
Calls'em as I Sees'em from McLean, VA

That was quite the storm. Hope we don’t see another. May God Bless all the people impacted by the hurricane and May God Bless America and our fallen heroes. That being said, 0bama is bound to do well after this emergency, since he recently had a practice round during which he failed miserably - "Benghazi, Libya." Although NPR & WNYC barely cover this scandal, it is becoming increasingly clear from both internal leaks and by comments by leaders in the military and intelligence community, that for political reasons 0bama failed to (a) increase security for our diplomats before the terrorist attack; (b) then failed to rescue them for 7 hours despite watching the events in real time via a drone and local video resources and getting repeated satellite phone calls from out intel and military assets on the ground; and (c) then lied to America and the world about what happened. 0bama was afraid that since his big claim to fame was killing Usama bin Laden, that THE successful terrorist attack on 9-11-12 would undermined his narrative – and it has. 0bama was saved in the 2nd debate by that fat ugly host who lied through her teeth for 0bama and then recanted 20 minutes after the debate was over. To keep the spin of him being successful (“mission accomplished”), he and Hillary and the rest of the regime and its minions in the media concocted this tale of a video causing demonstrations. 0bama & Hillary took out paid ads to foster this lie and continued it for weeks despite the fact that they both had actionable intel in real time throughout the 7 hour even t and failed to relieve our fellow Americans. I think that at this point 0bama hopes to lose the election since he is sure to be impeached over this matter within days of a second inauguration and perhaps be prosecuted. He would live in disgrace after that and I doubt that his ego could take that. He and Hillary have blood on their hands. As I said above, May God Bless all the people impacted by the hurricane and May God Bless America and our fallen heroes.

Oct. 30 2012 01:19 PM
Enrique from Hillcrest, NY

I heard that they recommend you don't put tape on the windows as the large shards of glass can do more damage then small pieces of glass. Maybe Elmo shouldn't tell people to put tape on windows.

Oct. 30 2012 10:13 AM
beth from downtown jersey city

Thanks for the great coverage, as always. We're in downtown Jersey City (hamilton park), with no power, but thankfully no flooding at the moment. So in the dark, with our little radio listening to WNYC.

Oct. 29 2012 10:48 PM
Jonathan from Brooklyn

Brian:
Please ask your guests to start planning now for extra bus service to and from Manhattan while NYCT is getting the tunnels back in order. Consider dedicating a lane each way for buses. We can't afford to miss more work. Thanks!

Oct. 29 2012 09:55 PM
Naomi from Lower Manhattan

My eton radio (thank-you gift from previous pledge drive) was first thing I reached for when power went out. Flashlight, radio and charger in one.

Oct. 29 2012 09:47 PM
ellen from Manhattan

First Avenue in Manhattan is now flooding, from it looks like 95th Street south. As it's moved down, it's also risen and a block north of me (I'm on 93rd Street overlooking First Ave) the water is 2/3 up car height. One car remained -- other drivers came running out land moved the cars. The water now appears to be stopping just below 94th St & First and may be receding -- I can see more of the car.

This area -- from the East River South to about 90th St and north to 95th along the FDR Drive -- and First Ave
from 95th north to 100th St, is part of the Zone A Hurricane area -- a red zone. If you check your hurricane map you can plainly see that the location of the planned Marine Transfer Station the Mayor plans to break ground for next month is exactly in the middle of Zone A. Interesting. Next time, instead water, who knows what will be coursing down First Avenue!

Oct. 29 2012 09:24 PM
Rekha

Was there a transformer explosion at 14th and FDR?

Oct. 29 2012 09:18 PM
Laura from Manhattan

Also, there were flashes in the sky about 10 minutes ago, perhaps in Harlem? Did a transformer blow there?

Oct. 29 2012 08:47 PM
Laura from Manhattan

Can you report on flooding around 14th Street and Avenue C? Thank you for all of your excellent coverage of the storm.

Oct. 29 2012 08:43 PM
Corinna from Brooklyn

Friends in Brooklyn around 5th ave between 4th and 15th street are getting shut down calls from con ed

Oct. 29 2012 08:11 PM
Sam from Astoria

http://soundcloud.com/samkulik/hurricane-sandy

my experience of the hurricane...

Oct. 29 2012 07:56 PM
DTorres from Manhattan

It was distressing to hear the disabled woman, that had actually followed
the recommendations and gone to a shelter, only to discover that there were
no supplies available.
She did say that the employees had put in telephone calls.
She said she used a walker and it is difficult for her to get around.
Another shelter she had tried, during hurricane Irene was too violent.
I really hope she got the help she needed promptly.

My windows sound as if they might shatter,
even though they are taped.
It's just that the wind is so strong.
My sister lives in Sheepshead Bay, Brooklyn,
she says that everything
is calm there.

Oct. 29 2012 06:27 PM
oscar from ny

As yu may know some ppl cant afford not to work, second, feelings or emotions can dictate an action its fine, but why bother, third i was beign offensive
About my spelling i walk around with a droid my fingers are fat

Oct. 29 2012 12:24 PM
CK from NY

And why should anyone expect that they should get rescued. Follow the evacuation warnings or live with the consequences. It's unfair to expect that someone else will risk their own life to save you when you ignored warnings. And I agree with an earlier posting that said "stop interviewing these folks" and making them into little celebrities.

Oct. 29 2012 12:21 PM
CK from NY

Oscar: not sure I understand your tirade. Not only is your spelling an issue, I don't understand what you would have the Mayor do and what "gayness" has to do with anything. You border on the offensive.

Oct. 29 2012 12:12 PM
Martin Chuzzlewit from Manhattan

"Benghazi Story Isn't Going Away" - Walter Russell Mead, American Interest

(MEAD IS CERTAINLY NOT AN EASILY DISMISSED RIGHT WING NUT)

The Benghazi Story Refuses To Die, And It’s Hurting The President.
We still don’t know exactly what happened between the Pentagon, the State Department, the CIA and the White House as Americans in Libya requested support for Ambassador Stevens and his team in their final hours, and we almost certainly won’t before the election.

http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2012/10/28/the-benghazi-story-refuses-to-die-and-its-hurting-the-president/

Oct. 29 2012 12:04 PM
oscar from ny

Bloombergs is true $%#$@! l, his fantasys are dlusiinal, his gayness has become his hallmark ticket to a drown cause and he is excarbatating the patiens of the working class in ny..

Oct. 29 2012 12:00 PM
Amy from Manhattan

Flyers under the doors? I have days when I don't go near the front door for hours & don't see anything that was put in under it. In an urgent situation like this, they should actually ring the buzzers.

Oct. 29 2012 11:47 AM
John A

Good luck to the producers in finding a slot for Citizens United. A most important topic that can't be missed.

Oct. 29 2012 11:46 AM
HRA worker from Queens

The mayor's requiring HRA workers who normally work in Zone A to report to a shelter or use vacation time. A link to the location of the shelters was given on the HRA web site:

http://www.nyc.gov/html/oem/downloads/pdf/
zoneA_evac_centers_102612.pdf

but it hasn't worked for me despite numerous attempts last night and today, Monday.

Oct. 29 2012 11:45 AM
Eileen Stareshefsky from Manhattan

New York State Education Department employees were instructed on the Department's website that since no offices were located in evacuation Zone A, "all employees are expected to try and overcome transportation challenges caused by the storm and report to work." Looks like they weren't listening to any media accounts of the expected storm effects. It also looks like the governor and mayor have similar blindspots when it comes to their own workforce.

Oct. 29 2012 11:43 AM
Rose Rowland

Bear Mountain Bridge Road, from Ansville Circle to the Bear Mountain Bridge, is closed due to flooding, according to state police.

Oct. 29 2012 11:42 AM
RUCB_Alum from Central New Jersey

It is now clear that regardless of what the listeners to FoxNews hear, they don't want to believe it and need their disillusions to keep them stoked in their fear and loathing...coccooned in the bizzaroland winger-verse.

The President categorized this attack along with others in the phrase "...no acts of terror..." in his Rose Garden speech THE VERY NEXT DAY after Ambassador Smith died. Romney embarassed himself by thinking he had caught the President in a mischaracterization. Since losing that debate point, FoxNews has gone on to show how deeply seated their hatred of the President is. Shame on all of you for thinking of yourselves as good Americans.

Should the President win, will you and your side finally man-up and show some respect for the authority of his office. Will you give up your fantasies that he is Kenyan...or Socialist...or a secret Muslim. I doubt it. Your self-righteous egomania and paranoia won't let you. Hope you enjoy the next four years.

Oct. 29 2012 11:40 AM
John A

Note pattern
2010 midwest "October 2010 North American storm complex" (wikipedia)
2011 new england Irene
2012 NJ/LI Sandy
It's pretty much every year, folks.

Oct. 29 2012 11:39 AM

OK so now we don't have to worry about global warming or climate change....thanks to the "expert" you just had on we know that's all of this is just a coincidence. Whew!

Meanwhile, here's a blogpost from KQED which may serve as a starting point for any of y'all who may not be inclined to put blind faith in the pronouncement of one "expert" telling is not to worry about climate change as a factor in.......duhhhh, *our changing climate*!

http://blogs.kqed.org/newsfix/2012/05/03/is-climate-change-real-for-the-thousandth-time-yes/

>>>""Polls say 97 percent of working climate scientists now see global warming as a serious risk" according to a recent article in the New York Times. But 42 percent of respondents in a March Gallup poll said the "seriousness of global warming" was "generally exaggerated." And while 61 percent said the effects of global warming were "already happening" in 2007, that number has now dropped to 52 percent.

Recently, I asked Craig Miller, Senior Editor of KQED's Climate Watch, to go back to basics and review, once again, the evidence, that shows the earth is warming, and what the likely effects of that will be...

BROOKS: So what are the organizations that say climate change is real?

MILLER: Virtually ever major, credible scientific organization in the world. It’s not just the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. Organizations like the National Academy of Sciences, the American Geophysical Union, the American Association for the Advancement of Science. And that's echoed in most countries around the world. All of the most credible, most prestigious scientific organizations accept the fundamental findings of the IPCC.

The last comprehensive report from the IPCC, based on research, came out in 2007. And at that time, they said in this report, which is known as AR-4, that there is "very high confidence" that the net effect of human activities since 1750 has been one of warming.

Scientists are very careful, unusually careful, about how they put things. But then they say "very likely," or "very high confidence," they’re talking 90%.

BROOKS: So it’s not 100%?

MILLER: In the realm of science; there’s virtually never 100% certainty about anything. You know, as someone once pointed out, gravity is a theory."<<<

Oct. 29 2012 11:38 AM
Martha Schulman from Upper West Side

Hello: I live on the UWS on the 17th floor... I've read that it might be dangerous to sleep near a window. Is this really something to be concerned about?

THANKS!

Oct. 29 2012 11:33 AM
Jane

I just got back from buying a few things. I am worried about the little grocery on the corner. They employ about 5 guys who all seem to come from Mexico. The owner of the shop was nowhere around and I was asking these guys if they were allowed to go home. They all shrugged and weren't sure. I'd be surprised if these guys were documented workers, and I really want to create a stink to the owner of the shop for not having a plan to make these guys safe.

Oct. 29 2012 11:26 AM
Robert from NYC

That's what you get from "politicians with business expertise" they close down the works in emergencies but expect you to show up or don't pay you if you can. You see, you'll live from check to check or maybe a bit better but this businessman will become a billionaire even though YOU showed up and worked you butt off to make him his profit. He'll (she'll?) throw you a pittance and even if you get benefits they'll be at a minimal. I think if you work your butt off you're entitled to more of the share! Every year this mayor adds billions to his net worth, how much do his non-police commissioner workers get!

Oct. 29 2012 11:24 AM
Frank Chalmers from Manhattan

Brian - Hows this for irony. Theres a police car in front of my wife's downtown NYC gov building telling everyone to evacuate the area. But unless she's at work today she's docked a vacation day.

So much for staying off the roads and getting safe. Bloomberg is risking peoples safety - entire offices of NYC gov employees are going to have to get home this afternoon somehow!

Oct. 29 2012 11:20 AM
Ann from NJ

I am uncomfortable with giving air time to people who refused to evacuate unless very special circumstances keep them home. Granting mini celebrity status?

Oct. 29 2012 11:17 AM
A Wielechowski from Denmark

Is there any particular increased risk for tornados with this storm?

Oct. 29 2012 11:15 AM
Jon from Brooklyn, south park slope

Hi Brian,

Help!

I live in brooklyn and I am seeing that the gowanus canal is starting to overflow. someone is posting pics of this on the blog southslopenews. Apparently there is a lot of toxic waste that could overflow. Has anyone said anything about what protections the residents of the neighborhood can take? Please publicize!

Oct. 29 2012 11:12 AM
Jane from Rockaway, NJ

Put a few large juice bottles 7/8 full of water (loose cap) in your freezer so that if the power goes out, you can transfer these to your refrigerator. They are large and non-messy - a good way to keep it cool.
Make sure smart phones, netbooks and laptops are fully charged so you have a way of picking up news.
So far we are fine - not sure about Denville, NJ though - it always has problems with water.

Oct. 29 2012 11:11 AM
Amy from Manhattan

For the caller w/no portable radio, if you have a computer w/a charged battery & an Internet connection that doesn't need to be plugged in, you can stream WNYC ("LISTEN NOW" in the blue "WHAT'S ON" box at the upper right of this page). You might want to do this intermittently to conserve the charge as long as you need to.

Oct. 29 2012 11:05 AM
Louis Steinberg from Highland Park, NJ

I live in central NJ. What should one do it a tree falls on their house?

Oct. 29 2012 11:04 AM
Bonnie from Crown Heights, Brooklyn

Hi Brian,

i was wondering if you could put a public spotlight on the fact that, despite all the warnings, some venues are insisting on continuing with performances scheduled for tonight. ex: music hall of williamsburg is going forward with their Swans show tonight.

it's incredibly irresponsible of Bowery Presents, ticketmaster, MHoW, & Swans to go forward with this as well as any other venue holding performances tonight. they should all be ashamed.

Oct. 29 2012 11:04 AM
Anne DiFabio from Fort Greene, Brooklyn

Hey Brian! What do you do if you have a dog? He's going to have to go out to go to the bathroom, any safety tips from guests or listeners?

Thanks!

Oct. 29 2012 11:01 AM

Brian -- since you are asking for information about what to do in the storm, can you mention information for those who have young babies if they lose electricity and/or water?

First, if you are breastfeeding, don't stop. Even if you are stressed you will still make enough milk.

Second, if you are reliant on a breast pump for expressing milk. Watch this video in case the electricity goes out. It can teach you how to hand express your milk.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Jane+Morton+hand+expression&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

Third, if you are using a bottle, collect some medicine cups in case you run out of potable water. Bottles and nipples are prone to much more bacterial growth than cups. Cups are messy - but easier to clean.

Oct. 29 2012 11:00 AM
John A

Since Sep-11 I've kept an empty water cooler bottle to fill in emergencies. It's about as clumsy as a beach ball when empty.

Oct. 29 2012 10:59 AM
bernadette from westchester

hi Brian,
Thanks for this show... I'm in Westchester...Re the Red Cross recommendation.. I don't have an "Interior" room. Matter of fact... i have vaulted ceilings with skylights...
what to do for safety?

Oct. 29 2012 10:58 AM
M. Michel from Jackson Hts., Queens

Just listened to the news conference. Was struck by Lhota's comments about switches etc. being so vulnerable to salt. I find it hard to believe that there are not materials that can be used to encase switches and protect them against such intrusion -- even from normal deterioration due to salting operations, etc. I suspect that it's about money -- while spending billions on badly managed and even questionable projects, something like this for keeping the system just running is sidelines.

Oct. 29 2012 10:57 AM
Matthew

Brian: The lower the barometric pressure the more powerful the storm is. It measures intensity.

Oct. 29 2012 10:55 AM
Nick Taylor from Manhattan

Some perspective on the 1938 hurricane from my book American-Made, a history of the WPA. A storm-driven wave swept over Long Island and coastal Connecticut with very little warning. Almost 700 were killed and 1,700 injured, in part because of a failure of the forecasting system of the time. This stresses the importance of maintaining state-of-the-art meteorological predictions including the use of satellites. This is an infrastructure issue that can't be overlooked. As far as emergency response, by Friday after the Wednesday hurricane, the WPA had 100,000 workers in the field on Long Island and throughout New England, first doing search and rescue and then flood relief and finally clean-up.

Oct. 29 2012 10:50 AM
Beth from Ridgewood Fresh Pond Rd.

Should people (I'm in Queens, not in an evac. zone) tape their windows? If so, Brian please give specific instructions - what kind of tape? Just make an X on the window or try to cover the whole window?

I feel like I'm not hearing pertinent information: what does the storm surge potentially mean? For instance, might flooding from zone A get pushed further inland due to the tide and the surge?

Is there any possibility of wider evacuations being ordered or encouraged for zones B or C?

Oct. 29 2012 10:48 AM
Ina from Manhattan

Do the shelters need volunteers. East Side Midtown or close.

Oct. 29 2012 10:38 AM
Kim Dobson from Ramsey, NJ

On the way back from Hershey Park (PA) yesterday (we were there for a marching band competition) we saw a flotilla of power company trucks from out of state. Trucks were from Missouri, Illinois, Arkansas, and Alabama. Most seemed to be cherry pickers and tree chippers. There were probably 4-8 per state represented.

Oct. 29 2012 10:21 AM
Dorothy from Manhattan

I'd like the BBC man and listeners to know that I've already watched BBC Antiques Roadshow (Ovation channel-2 episodes daily) from Northumberland if memory serves. I was distracted this morning so not sure. I do enjoy BBC-AR very much. Fiona's terrific.

Oct. 29 2012 10:15 AM
Frankensteen from Bronx

How do you walk your dog in a hurricane? Mine is not trained to go inside and I'm sure he can't go without going for 2 days.

Oct. 29 2012 10:13 AM
Nick Lento from nj

As of 9:55 AM no rain in Cliffside Park, NJ...but lots of stormy gusting, bending tree branches and debris flying about in the street...folks should stay in as the risk of being struck by flying debris is not worth taking.

I am very disappointed that neither you nor the climate expert you just had even mentioned climate change as a factor in this weather.

He used the wiggle term "proximate cause" which lets him and you off the hook as it is impossible to EVER claim that a particular weather event is the direct result of a generalized systemic change.

But the REALITY is that 98% of the worlds climatologists believe that anthropogenic climate change is very very REAL and that "improbable" events like what we are experiencing today are much MORE statistically likely now than in the past and that in the years and decades to come we will be going through far more of this kind of crazy weather and it will only get more intense.

Most of us baby boomers will be dead before the worst impacts of climate change hit. It is the young people who will be around in the next twenty and thirty years and THEIR children who will be cursing the multibillion dollar propaganda campaigns bought and paid for by the existing petrochemical industrial complex that is determined to create an atmosphere of delusional denial regarding climate change just so they can continue to extract massive profits in the short term and so that a relatively tiny number of individuals can continue to become even more wealthy and powerful than they already are.

I called in to say this as the expert was still speaking and have been on hold for 36 minutes.

I truly have to wonder to what extent the media, both comercial and non-commercial, are afraid to TRULY cover the REALITY of climate change because they are afraid of losing commercials and underwriting from the petrochemical-industrial complex?

At some point the actual events on the ground and in the waters and the air will make it IMPOSSIBLE to ignore the REALITY of the fact that our climate is changing and that that change is accelerating and becoming more extreme with each passing year.

It's a shame that, due to the stupid greed of one sector of our economy...and the craven self serving morally corrupt nature of our media...that the American people are being allowed to be lulled into a deep denial of reality that will cost our descendants more than we can now imagine. Again, they will look back upon us, and the opportunity we had in these times to actually DO something... and they will curse us.

This is like the Titanic times a trillion. Utterly stupid and it didn't/doesn't have to "happen".

Peace!

Oct. 29 2012 10:12 AM
Leonard Nones

I live on riverside Drive, There is one sailboat on a mooring at about 90th st. The hatch door has come open and the boat must be taking on water. Can you make an announcement. Maybe the owner is listening. Don,t know what he can do about it at this point.

Oct. 29 2012 10:12 AM
EW from White Plains

Occupy Wall Street has put this out--can WNYC confirm whether this is true or not--if so, are the inmates in danger?

Why is Rikers Island not being evacuated? It is built on a landfill and is not prepared for #Sandy. Even worse, the city of New York does not have an evacuation plan for the island, at all.

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/08/no_evacuation_for_rikers_islan.html

Oct. 29 2012 10:11 AM
Jen

I was thinking this morning about Romney's rallying cry against "trickle down government" as the village public works employees scrambled to deliver sandbags, clean out the storm drains, and help a frequently flooded neighborhood prepare. I think about all of us who are counting on our local, state, and federal governments to help prepare, stay informed, stay safe, and pick up in the aftermath. So to people who are thinking of joining Romney's bandwagon, I ask you to think about how grateful you and your community are/will be for the government to "trickle down" to help in an emergency.

Oct. 29 2012 10:05 AM
AnnieMouse from Chelsea

I'm in London Terrace - we've been instructed to close windows, also to close drapes. If you can't Maintenance will send someone to help.

I heard much the same thing yesterday from Bloomberg.

btw, all quiet here. Laundry rooms closed. Darn. I'm about to call about health club and pool. (I assume the pool will be closed, but I'm hopeful about health club).

Oct. 29 2012 10:03 AM
Brian from Flatbush from Flatbush, Brooklyn

QUESTION: Hi Brian, it sounds like the bulk of this storm is set to arrive this evening around 8pm. Do folks think it's safe to be outside in the meantime? I'd love to get out, grab some more groceries and snap some pictures of the neighborhood pre-surge, but I don't want to be an idiot.

Oct. 29 2012 09:58 AM
jawbone

I checked with my house insurance company about how hurricanes are covered:

Deductible is 5% of the amount for which the house in insured.

But, if it's a regular storm, the deductible is, for my policy, $1000.

For even a modest house in the Tri-State area, the difference between a "regular" storm and a hurricane would be many thousands of dollars. And, based on my experience with home insurance, the companies specialize in low-balling the repair costs. So, this is a major expense.

So, how Sandy is categorized is extremely important for insurance reasons.

Oct. 29 2012 09:45 AM
Robin from Upper Manhattan

Has does this storm compare to the Blizzard of 1888?

Oct. 29 2012 09:42 AM
jawbone

Just a reminder that Mitt Romney stated, rather vociferously, during a Republican primary debate in NH, on June 13, 2011, that he believes the Federal government should have no role in such things as FEMA. And, to him, it would be best to have such "services" provided by private companies. It's immoral to help people via such things as FEMA when there's a deficit. No New Dealer is our Mitt!

Have any reporters asked Romney or his campaign where he stands on FEMA as of now?

Good ol' Corporatist to the Max Romney -- something is worthwhile only if profit can be made off of it. Money counts, not people.

Wow. Here's a bit from the original debate, via Huffington Post:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/28/mitt-romney-fema_n_2036198.html

QUOTE

During a CNN debate at the height of the GOP primary, Mitt Romney was asked, in the context of the Joplin disaster and FEMA's cash crunch, whether the agency should be shuttered so that states can individually take over responsibility for disaster response.

"Absolutely," he said. "Every time you have an occasion to take something from the federal government and send it back to the states, that's the right direction. And if you can go even further, and send it back to the private sector, that's even better. Instead of thinking, in the federal budget, what we should cut, we should ask the opposite question, what should we keep?"

"Including disaster relief, though?" debate moderator John King asked Romney.

"We cannot -- we cannot afford to do those things without jeopardizing the future for our kids," Romney replied. "It is simply immoral, in my view, for us to continue to rack up larger and larger debts and pass them on to our kids, knowing full well that we'll all be dead and gone before it's paid off. It makes no sense at all."

END QUOTE

OK, Romney is doubling down on privatizing such services as FEMA and is standing by his statement. A BLOGGER asked the campaign about it. Whoohooo! Let's get those "vulture capitalists" out there getting people to sign their houses away in order to have any assistance. No real estate? Well, just sign over your life insurance proceeds.... Immediately, or this boat leaves you to the waves and flooding. Link:

http://americablog.com/2012/10/romney-fema-hurricane-funding.html

So far, this is one thing he hasn't flip-flopped on, right? Altho' there's a bit of dancing and spinning it.

Uh, has there been ANY mention of Romney's stand on the MCM (Mainstream Corporate Media)??? Or is it verboten to tell the truth about candidates?

Google search: Romney on FEMA

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp=les%3B&gs_nf=3&tok=u6ELs_dP_jylp8QMQ657sA&cp=11&gs_id=19&xhr=t&q=Romney+on+Fema&pf=p&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&oq=Romney+on+F&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=4a665cff640510db&bpcl=35466521&biw=1058&bih=393

Oct. 29 2012 09:40 AM
Kathy from Middlesex County, NJ

Despite the state of emergency in the state, despite the ban on non-emergency vehicles in New Brunswick, Rutgers has chosen to cancel classes but say that all offices remain open -- even if our work is not related to safety or health. (In fact, employees got a second email reporting that a Rutgers ID would be sufficient to get past police stopping drivers.) That means than any staff who decide not to go to work and either can't or don't want to work from home have to use vacation, personal leave or administrative leave. Is this typical of what other employers are doing?

Oct. 29 2012 09:33 AM
Martin Chuzzlewit from Manhattan

It's now clear that Little Barry Obama LIED about Benghazi .... for weeks ...on TV.... to the public... and that the White House knew it was a terrorist attack attack that very day. In fact, by 6:08PM on Sept.11, the WH staff, CIA, State Department and Pentagon even knew that Ansar-al-Sharia (peace be upon the Prophet)had taken credit for it. The MSM is purposely ignoring this, but it won't go away.

It is now clear why Susan Rice (a strange choice noted at the time), UN Ambassador, and not Secretary Hillary Clinton, was sent to make the rounds of the Sunday talk shows to spin this attack on State Department personnel. It was a lie ...Hillary knew it....and she refused to go out and peddle it. She wasn't going to risk her political future to save Obambi's campaign.

OBAMA IS A LYING THUG.... and should be IMPEACHED for lying to the American people (about 4 murders) for his personal political gain. A high crime/misdmeanor by anyone's standards. We should let the legal system take its course.

Oct. 29 2012 09:31 AM

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