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City Council Proposal on Stop and Frisk

Thursday, October 11, 2012

Jumaane Williams, New York City councilmember (D-45) representing Flatbush, East Flatbush, Flatlands, and Canarsie in Brooklyn, explains the proposals in the City Council to change the stop and frisk procedures for the NYPD, and an audio recording of a stop in Harlem.

Guests:

Jumaane D. Williams

Comments [24]

ME

John, your bias is so obvious. I don't know where you live, but obviously you have NO idea what people who are stopped and frisked go through.

Oct. 15 2012 12:27 PM
Edward from Washington Heights AKA pretentious Hudson Heights

The mans name was Noel Polanco.

Plus a few months ago there was a crazy man running on the street with a knife in Manhattan. Why shoot him to death when non-lethal force could have been used?

The average person has to fear murderous criminals AND trigger happy cops.

Oct. 11 2012 11:41 AM
Edward from Washington Heights AKA pretentious Hudson Heights

Being frisked is not as bad as being shot by a cop.

I feel TERRIBLE about the young man who was shot in his car across from LaGuardia airport by a plain clothes cop.

The police are too trigger happy. What happened to the billy clubs cops used to wear on their utility belts?

Oct. 11 2012 11:36 AM

Brian, you should take a few minutes and read the piece in The Nation on this topic http://www.thenation.com/article/170413/stopped-and-frisked-being-fking-mutt-video

... and watch this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7rWtDMPaRD8#!

I suggest you invite the authors Erin Schneider and Ross Tuttle on the air to discuss this whole situation along with any potential candidates for the mayoral election.

This needs to become THE issue in the next election. It's clear that the cops are radicalizing young people pf color. Some portion of them will act out in ways that will only escalate the situation to the point where everyone's worst nightmares become actualized. That doesn't have to happen.

Treating people like animals dehumanizes both the victims and the perpetrators and leads to the eventual dissolution of civil society. We can do better.

Oct. 11 2012 11:29 AM
The Truth from Becky

I wish a stop and frisk in JOHN's future and also that someone he knows will confront him on his slick use of the N-word here.

Oct. 11 2012 10:56 AM
Leo from Queens

I have not read the proposals, but these need to include a top-down; bottom to top and sideways revamp of how the NYPD operates. The NYPD has ceased to function as an urban/city police force and needs to be revamped. This was desperately needed at the end of Guiliani's reign but unfortunately 9/11 happened and a reform of the NYPD was moved to the back burner.

These initiatives need to include accountability from the Commissioner and the leadership which is driving these human and civil rights violations.
- The NYPD is now being used to generate revenue and to build a criminal record for as many people of color as possible without regards to how The key problems are :

(1) Lack of accountability and transparency from Leadership
(2) Poor or non existent training of Police officers
(3) Prevalent culture that police officers are above the law and can do whatever it takes to meet their revenue or 'productivity' quotas as long as there are no recordings of what is being done.

I strongly suspect that the NYPD leadership secretly sends out police officers without the proper training in hopes that one gets killed or injured so they can use it as an opportunity to increase their aggressive repression of the poor in the City.

Oct. 11 2012 10:52 AM

If you've never had the stop and frisk experience you cannot fathom what Mr. Williams is talking about, my son, teaches and extra-curricular class teaching young black men how to respond when stopped by the police, one day after class one of the young men came running back to say a student had been stopped in the subway, my son went to the students aide and because he asked what the student was stopped for he was also handcuffed. Once the police discovered who they were arresting they removed the cuffs, and "let" both my son and the student go. This is not an isolated incident if one is stopped for a traffic infraction, you have the right to ask the charge, so too should young people who are stopped!

Oct. 11 2012 10:51 AM
April from Manhattan

SORRY FOR CAPS. GOING BLIIND. NO ONE MENTIONED THAT ON THE VIDEO, POLICE ARE TOLD THEY MUST MAKE MORE STOP AND FRISKS. THERE SEEMS TO BE A QUOTA. ONE OFFICER, HIS VOICE DISGUISED, SAYS IF YOU DON'T HARASS PEOPLE FOR NOTHING, YOU'RE SENT BY YOURSELF TO A DANGEROUS OR UNCOMFORTABLE AREA OF THE CITY. I THOUGHT HOLLAND TUNNEL. WATCH THE VIDEO AT nation.com/stopped and frisked for being a f***king mutt. I WISH BRIAN WOULDN'T NARROW THE COMMENTATORS SO MUCH THAT FEW CAN SPEAK. LONGER, FEWER SEGMENTS WOULD BE GOOD, ESPECIALLY ON SUCH AN IMPORTANT TOPIC. CRIME IS UP IN NYC. THAT FACT MAY BE RELATED TO POLICE HARASSMENT, NOT DESPITE IT.

ON ANOTHER TOPIC, IF I'D BEEN LISTENING TO WNYC 24/7, NEVER TURNING IT OFF, UNGREEN IN THE EXTREME, HOW COULD I HAVE WATCHED THIS VIDEO? DON'T BE GREEDY, WNYC. BE GREEN!

Oct. 11 2012 10:50 AM
John from Brooklyn

Is NYC stop-and-frisk a violation of civil liberties? Probably.

Will stopping stop-and-frisk cause a great increase in sales of coffins - shaped to fit young black and hispanic men? Certainly.

Do the anti stop-and-frisk factions in NYC and in WNYC News realize this? Hmm.

Oct. 11 2012 10:49 AM
Sheldon from Brooklyn

John, if you remember - I was one of J. Williams harshest critics on this site on that day - I thought it was a disgrace, for him to go to that lady's funeral.

However, I have seen - with my two eyes four men jump out of unmarked chevy impala, take a kid off his bike, throw him up against a wall, and patted him down and leave. No hello sir, good evening, can we search you? We are police - nothing!!!

I don't want to go back to the dark days of high crime but I don't want to live in a fascist state either.

Tomorrow, a mother has to go and bury her military son, because he had the nerve to cut off a cop car on the parkway, for some - this is a matter of life and death.

Oct. 11 2012 10:46 AM
RLewis

John, if you don't understand why black youths use that word, you are clearly clueless.

Oct. 11 2012 10:45 AM
john from office

Mr. Williams, I greet you with a YO MY NIG---R, I hear it all the time I guess it is ok. Saw a mom call her child a F--Kin Little Nig--R on train, oh lets stop the police from doing their jobs, that is more important. How about a pants up movement!!.

Oct. 11 2012 10:44 AM
Joe from Brooklyn

Re: the recorded stop and frisk.
I was struck by a portion of the tape where the officers indicate that they know the young man's father. When the kid says he's a traffic cop, they scoff "Oh a TRAFFIC cop" - their tone made it obvious they don't consider him a "real cop".
How can we expect the police to have respect for the public when they don't even have respect for their colleagues?

Oct. 11 2012 10:43 AM
The Truth from Becky

Harassment...plain and simple.

JOHN...not even close to being the same thing, but then you know this.

Oct. 11 2012 10:42 AM
The Truth from Becky

Mutt is not just a derogatory term in the Puerto Rican community...I can think of a few people of mixed race who would NOT want to be called a Mutt...PC my..

Oct. 11 2012 10:39 AM
John from office

Mr. Williams, how about a movement to stop the use of the word Nig---r, by young black people. That would be a start.

Oct. 11 2012 10:37 AM

doesn't the mayor (an elected civilian) have oversight?

Oct. 11 2012 10:36 AM
The Truth from Becky

"PC Police??"..right.

Oct. 11 2012 10:36 AM
john from office

Sheldon, just tired of the P C police. Call them as you see them. When was the last time he marched against a gang shooting. The Black Community is lead by the least bright and educated. It is a shame. There are no Obamas in New York Politics.

Mr. Williams, work on your diction please!!

Oct. 11 2012 10:33 AM

what is this twiter? why does brian promote it over the WNYC message board?

Oct. 11 2012 10:33 AM
RLewis

Please ask Mr. Williams to address how S&F is acclimating young black males to police and arrests, instead of fearing them, so that crime and jail are no longer un-ordinary.

Isn't S&F just training our inner-city for a life in the criminal justice system?

Oct. 11 2012 10:30 AM
Sheldon from Brooklyn

Ah, John - the haircut is too "threatening" for you, I suppose? But, then again - you once said "who would want to be black anyway"

Oct. 11 2012 10:28 AM
Ian from St. Paul from Brooklyn

Namaste Council. Will you ever put a bill together to make it illegal for police officers to drive and talk on their cellphones? I can only imagine how many acciddnts occur because of this practice. The public(cibviljans) cannot drive and talk for obvious safety reasons, why is there a double standard?

Oct. 11 2012 10:07 AM
john from office

Mr. Williams will not be happy until NY City reverts back to the zoo that it was in the 70s. His answer to black on black crime and the various shooting of children by armed thugs in gang shootouts in black areas is to stop the police from doing their jobs.

Mr. Williams seems to think that Marches and prayer, will stop some black or latino hoods from shooting at their rivals. Instead of protesting the police he should protest the hoodlums. And maybe a haircut would be a good first step.

Oct. 11 2012 10:04 AM

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