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New York Times reporter Joseph Goldstein discusses changes made by the Bronx district attorney with respect to stop-and-frisk and trespassing charges.
@Dan - On average, 95% of people stopped and frisked aren't arrested. They've stopped over 700,000 people so far. Do the math.
@Mike - The reason why you weren't arrested is because you were a white guy. You're not seen as a threat by law enforcement. If you were black, the probability of arrest would've been much greater.
@Truth & Beauty - Here's the fact that was missing from the discussion. The reason why there are so many "trespassing" arrests is because NYCHA doesn't properly secure the entrance door to their buildings. Most housing project buildings don't have proper front doors with proper locks or security intercom systems. There wouldn't be such problems with crime or trespassing if NYCHA actually did its job! But remember, the Feds allocated $1 Billion to NYCHA for such things and the agency has yet to use the money.
Truth and Beauty: Using "not" and "nor" in a sentence, is incorrect. I would have thought you would know that.
CK from YKT : Would you liked to be questioned every time you come in and go out of your house?
would you like to be arrested and miss a day from work or school becuase you left your house without an ID or your ID expired?
I have no problems iwth cops being present and looking for suspicious individuals and suspicious activity and questioning people.. But to treat these residents and their visitors like they are in prison undermines their human dignity.
You forget that the main function of a police officer is to bring in a certain amount of revenue each month. NOT to fight crime. This is why organized crime : Drug houses, trafficking, prostitution, money laundering, etc. is thriving in the City.
While I get that excessive use of stop and search is not due, if the police just stood by and let anything go in these housing areas, the community that lives there would be all about how they were ignored. If the DA thinks they overstepped the line, then great: he didn't prosecute. But what we just heard from the kid who feels he shouldn't have been stopped is, they asked what was up, he told them, he passed. Problem?
In other words, Mr. Goldstein does NOT differentiate between people who are stopped on PRIVATE property and people who are randomly stopped on PUBLIC property?
I had a friend who was murdered in Co-Op City a number of years ago. The perpetrator was not a resident there and got into the building without permission; nor did anyone stop him because they did not recognize him as a resident.
The point of building security is to keep out people who don't belong there. There are people other than residents and their family and friends who should be permitted into buildings - telephone, cable, electric, dog walkers, etc. - but there are people who need to be weeded out early on. Of course, not all of them should be arrested. Escorting them out should be sufficient for most, but there are overall security needs that should be met.
Wow, lets just let the darkies run wild!
The more we acclimate kids to cops and being stopped and frisked, the more we make being arrested and going to jail and acceptable thing to them all. It's not a good thing.
I am a 50-year-old WHite man who lives in northern Manhattan.
My experience: Recently, I was walking through a public housing project on the west side near Licoln Center. It was simply the shortest way to get to 9th Avenue. A policeman approached me and asked me what I was doing there. He did not arrest me after I showed him my ID and explained that I was just 'passing through'.
@ caller "Danny"-
If a kid is inside a building with other kids, it is NOT illegal! He has the other kids permission to be there, you more on.
"One kid doesn't live there, he gets arrested" ??? hmm.
They mayor is such a FILTHY ARROGANT Person - Just becuase someone disagrees with his approach and his tactics, he turns around and claims that people are for crime..
The police dept IS NOT fighting crime - It is in an all out assault of people of color in order to raise revenues for the City illegally.
THIS ARROGANT FILTH should be held to account and prosecuted on Federal Civil Rights charges.
Why is it that the mayor ALWAYS immediately claims that when someone disagrees with his policy or how a policy is being executed that these people are pro-crime, evil.
There is more than one way to look at a problem. The issue here is that Police officers have great pressure to bring it certain revenue on a monthly basis
How many people are stopped that DO NOT get arrested??
This would show that the police are stopping far too many people incorrectly.
I commend the Bronx District Attorney for drawing a line on the steps of the Bronx court house and refusing to participate in Bloomberg and Kelly's plan to build a criminal record for the poor in this city and in particular young men of color. I was insulted by the comments I heard from Bloomberg this morning in which he is criticizing the DA and claiming that this is fighting crime. Let's be honest: These charges are frivolous and are harrassment in which people are being charged for tresspassing and loitering - even when there is no evidence of criminal activity. This has the following purpose/outcomes: (1) Raise revenue for the City illegally on trumpped charges(2) Build a criminal record for people of color to deny them access to Employment and financial aid for training and an education
(3) PUsh these people into a cycle of harrassment - Get fined for missing a court date to answer bogus charges; higher fines when they do commit a valid violation(4) Push the poor and people of color out of the City.
These are Jim Crow tactics and I don't know why the arrogance of the mayor & Kelly are not being prosecuted for Civil rights charges
Kudos to the Bronx district attorney Johnson for not turning a blind eye to this transparent L.E. pretext that tramples on peoples' constitutional rights.
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