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The 47 Percent

Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Still from leaked video of Mitt Romney, secretly recorded at a private fundraiser. (Mother Jones Magazine)

David Corn, Washington bureau chief for Mother Jones, talks about the leaked videotape of Mitt Romney's May fundraiser, in which he refers to the 47% of Americans who see themselves as "victims" dependent on government for support. He is also author of Showdown: The Inside Story of How Obama Fought Back Against Boehner, Cantor, and the Tea Party, now out in paperback.

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Comments [85]

Edward from Washington Heights AKA pretentious Hudson Heights

Jacko,

BO keeps blaming GWB for his failures.

At what point will BO take responsibility for his failed policies?

The Buck Stops at the Oval Office.

If BO gets another 4 years, and fails, he would STILL blame GWB.

IT'S TIME FOR A CHANGE.

Even BO knows it.

Obama Bows to Saudi King
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WlqW6UCeaY

Sep. 20 2012 01:06 AM

David Corn was outraged that Mitt Romney labeled "all Palestinians" as being uninterested in peace. What a terribly unfair, narrowminded thing to make such a gross generalization about a large group of people who doubtless display a good deal of diversity in both thought and behavior.

Less than five minutes later, in reference to Romney's comments about income redistribution: "That's a phony argument. That's what conservatives do." This came near the end of what can only be called a rant, so I suspect the irony was completely lost on him as well as, apparently, on host Brian Lehrer, who let it pass.

Is it only hypocrisy when conservatives flay the other side for something and then go out and do the same thing themselves? This past Sunday morning I listened as several NPR staffers complained that they just don't understand why so many people view public radio as slanted to the left. I believed them. They really don't understand. The idea of public radio "investigating" itself to uncover any evidence of bias (the subject of the segment) was so funny that I almost choked on my bagel.

Sep. 19 2012 10:57 PM

@Edward

And life would be magically better under Republicans and Romney?!? Please explain in detail. And while you're at it, take into account exactly how we got here. Who brought us this decline. Who gave us huge tax cuts, two unpaid for wars, and an unpaid for addition to Medicare -- plus a housing bubble and snowballing job losses topped off by a complete financial meltdown. I believe this all happened before 2009.

Kansas has already put into place tax cuts for the rich accompanied by tax increases on the middle class and poor. Can't wait to see how that turns out.

Sep. 19 2012 04:38 PM
Jack Jackson from Central New Jersey

@Edward from WH

Sure.

- Record unemployment.

Unemployment rate was higher in the 80's and way higher during the Great Depression.

http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=z1ebjpgk2654c1_&met_y=unemployment_rate&idim=country:US&fdim_y=seasonality:S&dl=en&hl=en&q=us+unemployment

-Record deficit.

FY 2009 was the biggest deficit. $1.5T. I'd say Bush owns that but you'd blame Congress. That's the one I'll grant you as 'Not wrong'.

-Record gasoline prices.

US gasoline prices hit $4.17 in July '08. That was Bush.
http://ycharts.com/indicators/gas_price

And your addends demonstrate that you suffer from IOH

Record number of people on foodstamps? Too close to the Bill Hicks joke --"Damn Democrats! Think people should eat!!"

NASA eviscerated so that the US has to rely on Russia to get Americans
into LOO? How is that Obama's fault. Bush tax cuts and the War in Iraq sucked the money out of the budget. You want space exploration? Raise the taxes to pay for it.

Record number of murders in Chicago?

This is a result of gang violence, easy access to guns and (probably) drug turf war. How does this become's a knock against the present administration?

Sep. 19 2012 04:30 PM
Edward from Washington Heights AKA pretentious Hudson Heights

47% don't pay taxes and suffer under $4 per gallon gas, energy costs, higher food prices, higher tolls.

If you are happy with a lower quality of life and higher prices, go ahead and vote for four years more of decline.

It's Time for a Change.

Sep. 19 2012 04:12 PM

Heard the following point made once but not again -- worth noting:

Romney says that since the 47% who are voting for Obama don't pay taxes, they can't be persuaded to vote for him (Romney) based on his tax cutting plans. But the rational for his economic plan is that supply side economics -- cut taxes for the rich and the benefits will trickle down -- will make life better for everyone. If he's really writing the 47% off as an unpersuadable lost cause, does he not believe in his own economic policies?

Tax cuts for the rich -- just because.

Sep. 19 2012 04:03 PM
Edward from Washington Heights AKA pretentious Hudson Heights

Leo from Queens,

I think you meant that by definition socialism MUST have a large pool of poor people and cheap labor.

See China, Pakistan, Bangladesh, North Korea, Cuba.

Hey, when Fidel got sick, despite Cuba claiming it has the best medical care in the West/Caribbean, Fidel went to FRANCE for medical care.

Sep. 19 2012 02:58 PM
Henry from Katonah

Great segment! The Obama campaign should have someone as articulate as David Corn!
Brian, you should have such guests more often.

Sep. 19 2012 01:44 PM
Leo from Queens

So Edward from Washington Heights AKA pretentious Hudson Height: from your statement it means that you want to go from 47% of 'Parasitic victims' to 57% because we will then have millions of teachers and their families accross the country working long hours for minimum wage in poverty and not paying fed income taxes based on the policies instituted by Republicans (NOTE: Most teachers get paid a pittance compared to other professionals though we claim that our kids'education is important).
Also, when you say give that money to the kids, what do you mean? We will pay kids to go to school?
This is a race to the bottom at lightspeed. Some years ago I thought we were becoming a society just like 3rd world Latin America. but it seems that the goal is really India or Bangladesh or Zimbabwe..

Sep. 19 2012 01:34 PM
Ed from New Jersey

David Corn did not break this story, he was given the story by Jimmy Carters grandson. Who said on an NPR news report that he did it for revenge because he did not like comments that were said about his grandfather. For David Corn to say it was not partisan is a misstatement of the facts. Instead of giving the voters facts that will mean something and help the voters make up their own minds, we are given hit pieces on the candidates from both sides. Most of the media outlets slant the news one way or the other and do a disservice to the public as a result. No wonder newspapers, magazines, radio and TV news outlets are declining in viewership.

Sep. 19 2012 01:25 PM
Leo from queens

to Calls'em from McLean, VA: This is JUST SHOCKING!!. Obama lived 5 years in Indonesia and pals around with socialists. What will become of us!.

In what alternate reality is the naked rapacious capitalism that Romney practices with disdain against it's 'victims' lift all boats? Capitalism only functions within a healthy democracy with healthy regulation and accountability and by definition capitalism MUST have a large pool of poor people and cheap labor.. Otherwise it can't work.. Regulation is there to make the effects on the 'victims' less cannibalistic.

Sep. 19 2012 12:13 PM
Calls'em from McLean, VA

This segment was just another exercise in Political Propaganda 101 - "Propaganda for Idiots." 0bama has been surrounded by committed socialists since he was a kid and grew up outside of this country (yes - it's true - 5 years in Indonesia). He clings to the rich and famous and has more disdain for the poor and working class of this country than does Romney. Romney wants to lift all boats through capitalism. 0bama wants to increase the size of the Nanny State through statism and socialism to increase the dependent class. The poor and working classes should be voting in their self interest, which means they should be voting for Romney. One third voted for McCain. The poorer 47% have been suffering more than anyone these past years. They have felt the pain caused by 0bama's inept policies. BTW - Romney is going to win in a landslide, no matter how much propaganda the leftists vomit out in the next two months.

Sep. 19 2012 11:51 AM
RCT, a/k/a "Karen" from NYC

Not merely are not all poor people Democrats (many are Red State Republicans); and not merely do those who pay no federal income taxes include veterans and seniors; and not merely are those who don't pay federal income taxes paying payroll taxes, state taxes, sales taxes, etc., BUT:

as Paul Krugman pointed out yesterday in his NYT blog, the so-called 47 percent is not, as Romney appears to believe, a permanent population of non-taxpayers, but rather a fluid population of people who, while they maynot be paying now, paid previously or will pay later. Seniors paid while they worked; students will pay when they graduate; the unemployed, and those who, like my husband, were ill for a period of time, will return to work when they find a job or recover. Parents of young children earning a middle-class income get tax credits.

The 47 percent number in any given year represents a snapshot of those who qualify for credits, exemptions, etc. It doesn't reflect a permanent population, only that our tax system tries to account for life's events.

As for the long-term poor -- guess Mitt thinks they should clean his toilets until he's done with them, and then die.

Sep. 19 2012 11:47 AM
Steve Ward from No. White Plains

Brian, I wanted to correct something you said today. You mentioned that Romney talked about the 47% of Obama supporters and the 47% of Americans who pay no income taxes, but suggested that he did not conflate the two. In fact, he did.

The quote was: "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it -- that that's an entitlement." By saying "there are 47% who are with him..." and going on to call that group "dependent" and "victims", he IS conflating the two.

Your show is terrific, as always!

Sep. 19 2012 11:26 AM
jg8912 from CT

You really want to bring down education costs? Double class sizes. get rid of textbooks - just give the kids the tests to memorize. Hire a million foreigners and bring them in to take all the teacher's jobs. They'll probably work for less than minimum wage. We'd save billions!

The teaching profession is under attack on all fronts and the long-term consequence of this will be a huge shortage of teachers beginning in fifteen or twenty years. Remember 1999?

"New York City facing severe teacher shortage"
http://articles.cnn.com/1999-08-30/us/9908_30_teacher.shortage_1_teacher-shortage-national-average-salary-school-system?_s=PM:US

Sep. 19 2012 11:17 AM
a. hammagaadji from N ew York

How annoying & typical of Brian Lehrer to stretch and bend over backward to make an equavalency between #Romney's secret video & the one from Obama at #Loyola. Frustrating!

Sep. 19 2012 11:06 AM
Edward from Washington Heights AKA pretentious Hudson Heights

Jacko,

Care to expand on that?

How about:
Record number of people on foodstamps?
NASA eviscerated so that the US has to rely on Russia to get Americans into LOO?
Record number of murders in Chicago?

Sep. 19 2012 11:05 AM
Jack Jackson from Central New Jersey

@Edward from WH -

Wrong on two out of three...Just like an IOH - Irrational Obama Hater.

Sep. 19 2012 11:00 AM
jg8912 from CT

@Calls'em from McLean, VA

Illegal taping? Really? How come you didn't bring this up when Andrew Breitbart was taping people? If you didn't complain then, you're a hypocrite now.

Sep. 19 2012 11:00 AM
BK from Hoboken

Edward from whatever- instead of posting a half dozen times with simple Republican talking pouts about non-related issues, save is all the time and link to the official Republican website and platform.

Romney has a solid history of saying anything to get elected. He has not divulged his tax returns (which are recent, important, and legal documents- as opposed to Obama's school transcripts Edward). However, this guest is shilling for his book (conveniently released this week in paperback) and not much more. His message is grating. The good thing, however, is that we all have eyes and ears to see and hear Mitt's real belief on that tape.

Sep. 19 2012 10:57 AM
jg8912 from CT

@Calls'em from McLean, VA

You seem to be suffering from short-term memory loss. Remember 2008? Every economist on Earth was warning that we were headed for a Great Depression-like downturn. There were fears of the entire economy unraveling. Republicans want to sweep that all under the rug for two reasons: because they caused it and because they refuse to give any credit whatsoever to Obama. The vitriol just oozes out of Republicans mouths whenever they talk.

Sep. 19 2012 10:54 AM
jg8912 from CT

I thought the Republicans eschewed class warfare. What would they call this broadside?

Sep. 19 2012 10:50 AM
Calls'em from McLean, VA

And BTW - the taping at a private dinner in a private home was an illegal invasion of privacy - a felony in Florida, and the leftist reporter probably now has some criminal liability as well. Just the facts, Brian, just the facts. You remember what a "fact" is, don't you? I hope that they are all prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

Sep. 19 2012 10:44 AM

This 47% of "non taxpayers" is so unrepresentative of the facts.

The 47% DO pay taxes - income tax, sales tax, payroll tax & real estate tax. But when this population files their income tax returns, these people have zero tax liability after exemptions, deductions and credits.

Its also worth noting that the men and women in the military that are in combat aren't subject to taxation on their pay.

Sep. 19 2012 10:44 AM
Edward from Washington Heights AKA pretentious Hudson Heights

Record unemployment.
Record deficit.
Record gasoline prices.

If you want more of the same, more failure, vote for Tzar Obama.

Sep. 19 2012 10:44 AM
Public Takeover from new paltz, ny

Look, the only reason anyone has any right to ownership of private property is because that right is designated in the Constitution. The Constitution is a contract of sorts between the people as private citizens and the people as sovereign government.

The whole reason we have a government is out of necessity. Without an all powerful sovereign, society would lapse into a state of nature whereby no one's rights are respected by anyone else, nor can any rights survive.

Rights only exist in a context of social contract with a sovereign, and that is how individuals obtain the right to private ownership.

What Romney and the Republicans (and most Democrats) want to do, is gain all the maximum benefits of private ownership rights under the Constitution, without incurring any of the obligations to the sovereign that make the right to ownership possible in the first place.

In truth, nobody owns anything except what the sovereign allows. Fortunately for us, the people have a democratic process of self-rule, so we can determine the extent of private license, taxation and so on. But all of that right to participate in the government is conditional upon having a sovereign in the first place, which is, in our case, a democratic body politic.

Sep. 19 2012 10:43 AM
Craig Adams from NJ

Brian,
It is not the "full video". There is a gap of unknown seconds/minutes in the middle of the Romney comments. Some form of mitigating remarks? Like Nixon's 18 minute gap, we'll never know..

Sep. 19 2012 10:43 AM
Edward from Washington Heights AKA pretentious Hudson Heights

Eliminate Teacher Tenure.

If the UFT (Union of Failed Teachers - Thanks Curtis Sliwa) really cared about students, they would vote for teacher pay cuts so more money can go to students.

Sep. 19 2012 10:42 AM
Dan

Mitt got a $10 million bail-out from the federal government in 1990 to save Bain.
So Mitt is actually talking about himself.

Sep. 19 2012 10:38 AM
jg8912 from CT

According to the IRS, over 10,000 Americans with income over $200,000 paid no income taxes in 2009. According the Tax Policy Center, eliminating taxes on investment income would allow about 50,000 more millionaires to avoid paying any income tax.

Sep. 19 2012 10:37 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

I just want to clarify, that I did not say I was a Romney supporter. I just said he made some valid points that should be fairly discussed.

Sep. 19 2012 10:37 AM
Edward from Washington Heights AKA pretentious Hudson Heights

"the president should be a *leader* not a tool".

Precisely. That is why Obama should become the next one-term President.

A Dhimmi Carter.

BTW, speaking of being open, let's see Obama school transcripts. Obamas origins and history are murky.

Someone is hiding some Inconvenient Truths.

Sep. 19 2012 10:37 AM
Seth Pickenstiff

"Don't vote!"

Robert, people have been not voting for decades. do you have any idea how few people vote? it hasn't changed a thing. it actually helps the parties in power. their people get to chose, and you lose out.

Sep. 19 2012 10:36 AM
marjorie hirsch

Brian, you have a tendency to play devil's advocate with progressive -- or straight - journalists and interviewees, bending over backwards into pretzel-like form, and rarely are as precise or intense with conservative interviewees. I've listened for years, and note this tendency. It's alright push all interviewees, not just those who seem to be more progressive or democratic. Stop this phony even-handedness.

Sep. 19 2012 10:36 AM
Calls'em from McLean, VA

The real debate is over 0bama's failed domestic, fiscal and foreign policies; the latter failure is now getting Americans raped and killed by Islamic terrorists. The left wing media - this station included - is just running interference for 0bama, belaboring the little stories because the big stories prove that 0bama is the worst President - ever.

Sep. 19 2012 10:35 AM
scott from soho

This guest is not a reporter. Reporters state fact and let listers and or readers decide how to interpret the findings. David has done nothing but rant DNC talking points the entire segment.

Sep. 19 2012 10:33 AM
Robert from NYC

Don't vote! You don't like either of them, don't vote Mr. I'm not voting. Unless I'm presented with a candidate who I want I would not vote. It's time to grow up and not allow ourselves to be influenced by one or the other candidate's supporters telling us it's irresponsible not to vote, or to have someone tell us that our service women and men fight for out right to vote. Well, they fight, also, for out right to NOT vote, they fight for our rights be it the right to vote OR not, period. Stop settling or you will always settle. Show the partes you don't like who they put out there and let them know they either get someone who will work for us or don't vote.

Sep. 19 2012 10:33 AM
Joe

"The context"??

Brian, what you should be asking is what are those millionaires expecting in return for their big donations?

Sep. 19 2012 10:33 AM
carl

romney, just like pres. bush [who got the ball on the one yard line], would wash his hands, in the pal.-israeli ''conflict'', from day one... look how nice that has worked out... hated all over the m.east... 9/11, afgh,iraq, etc... iran working time and a half to produce the equalizer... i'm sure the aiding and abetting of the occupation will continue with impunity... if we really wanted to help israel and us in the process, we would double down on an honorable peace accord... just as the pals. are under occupation, so is our hapeless wash d.c. by a.i.p.a.c

Sep. 19 2012 10:33 AM
jg8912 from CT

The 47% statistic is misleading because it does not take into account payroll taxes which all working people pay. And Romney want s to reduce eliminate taxes on dividends and capital gains. Hmmm, might that not creat e a whole new class of people who'll owe no taxes?

Sep. 19 2012 10:31 AM
Amy from Manhattan

I wonder what Mitt Romney thinks of the payroll tax, which thanks to its ceiling at $180,000 actually redistributes income *up*!

Sep. 19 2012 10:31 AM
Janet from Manhattan

What about Romney's off-shore accounts, shielded from US taxation, and his refusal to reveal fully his own income tax returns?

Sep. 19 2012 10:30 AM
Katie Keenan from NYC

I absolutely agree with Mr. Corn's charactarization of Mr. Romney as "phony" and "artificial," and this is what I think is most dangerous about him as a candidate. As a democrat I fundamentally disagree with Romney, but aside from that, his incontinence in terms of who he is, what he stands for and what he intends to do is incredibly frightening. I recall a Talking Points Memo article from a few months ago, quoting House Republicans who were praising Romney on the basis that he will go along with the house, do what they say, and will not enforce his own agenda, almost as if they were proud they had backed a candidate for president, whom they could easily bully into line. Democrat or Republican, the president should be a *leader* not a tool.

Sep. 19 2012 10:30 AM

Pitch that book man!

Sep. 19 2012 10:30 AM
Joe

More startling than the 47% comment is his argument that he's a self-made man. He seems incredibly blind to the advantages that he has had.

Sep. 19 2012 10:30 AM
Thomas Pinch

just fyi: the govt requires that all unemployment insurance that anyone receives must be reported on their income taxes.

The unemployed do very much pay taxes!

Sep. 19 2012 10:29 AM
Edward from Washington Heights AKA pretentious Hudson Heights

Where are Anti-War Palestinians?

When have Palestinians chained themselves to the gates of Hamass rocket factories?

Where is "Occupy Gaza" or "Occupy Moscow" for that matter? Ask Pussy Riot about the Free Speech movement in Tzar Putins Russia.

The Left is bereft of common sense.

Sep. 19 2012 10:27 AM
Smokey from LES

The progressive federal income tax IS a form of mild redistribution and we've lived with it for decades. And it has become less and less progressive recently, which is a big part of our current problem. Those with a lot can share a bit more than the rest of us who have less for the commonweal.

Sep. 19 2012 10:26 AM
Seth Pickenstiff

Why do Romney backers keep trying to conflate Income Tax and being all taxes?
They never mention all of the payroll taxes, sales taxes, property taxes, etc. that I pay. I look at my phone, internet and cables bills and all the taxes on them. Does that not count? please.

Sep. 19 2012 10:26 AM
Freyda Faivus from Chelsea

Isn't our whole system of progressive income taxes the very essence of redistribution of wealth? Why do the conservatives keep trying to redefine our very basics by renaming and distorting the facts?

Sep. 19 2012 10:26 AM
Jack Jackson from Central New Jersey

@jgarbuz -

47% of filers have no income tax liability but over half of them do pay FICA withholding. The rest earn so little they qualify for EIC or are retired after having worked a lifetime of earning and paying taxes.

Romney falsely conjoins the non-payers with Obama backers in some insidious myth that Obama has bought their vote. Mr Romney has shown himself to be hopelessly out of touch.

Try and defend him if you must but his campaign is toast.

Sep. 19 2012 10:26 AM
Calls'em from McLean, VA

Contempt and disdain - like 0bama in 2008 talking about the 40% of white Americans clinging to their bibles and guns? That was at a millionaire socialist fundraiser in Cali - one of the "57" states. Lol.

Sep. 19 2012 10:26 AM

Redistribution:

1. The bailouts that saved Mitt Romney's bankster friends were redistribution from the 99% to the 1%.

2. The fiscal and tax policies of Republicans for the past 35 years have been redistribution from the 99% to the 1%. We've had decades in which the _real_ wealth of the average American has flatlined or declined while the real wealth of the 1% increased — that's redistribution.

Sep. 19 2012 10:25 AM

RE Israel's despairing of having partner for peace, there's another side. Ha'aretz posted an Op Ed titled, "Israel Does Not Want Peace. Period." Seems pretty convincing to me. If they did they'd stop the settlements. Or build them up, not grab more Palestinian land. The New York Times said that 70% of Americans do not want us to bomb Iran. And over fifty percent don't want us to support Israel if it strikes Iran. If you go to J St, or Americans for Peace Now, you can read reasons why it would be a bad idea for Israel to attack Iran by ex PMs and Mossad in APN's News Nosh from Israel. The Onion, that major news source, yesterday posted American Thoughts, or some such name. "Netanyahu says Iran will destroy Israel. Terrifying. Maybe we should give them more aid to make them feel better." Personally, I'm fed up with Netanyahu on TV in the US. No wonder Obama finds him a drag. Remember his comment to Sarko when a mike was left on, "You don't have to talk to him four times a day!" As if an American president had nothing else to do.

Sep. 19 2012 10:25 AM
peter from katonah, ny

REally?! Really?! We're quoting Obama from 1998?? God knows what I THOUGHT 14 years ago, but suffice it to say, I've probably changed my mind a dozen times since then.

Sep. 19 2012 10:24 AM
john from office

This election is over, donors are starting to abandon ship. TAXATION IS REDISTRIBUTION.

Shame is that the GOP cannot find a real candidate.

Obama in 2012!!!!

Sep. 19 2012 10:24 AM
jg8912 from CT

Shame on you Brian. Romney is right about the Palestinians. Hamas openly states it seeks the destruction of Israel. The more "moderate" Fatah has the following in it's constitution. Notice they refer to "Palestine" which they consider the entire area of both Israel and the occupied territories. They themselves don't support a two-state solution.

Article (3) The Palestinian Revolution plays a leading role in liberating Palestine.

Article (4) The Palestinian struggle is part and parcel of the world-wide struggle against Zionism, colonialism and international imperialism.

Article (8) The Israeli existence in Palestine is a Zionist invasion with a colonial expansive base, and it is a natural ally to colonialism and international imperialism.

Article (9) Liberating Palestine and protecting its holy places is an Arab, religious and human obligation.

Sep. 19 2012 10:23 AM

this show has no objectivity

Sep. 19 2012 10:23 AM
Justin from NY

While criticizing Mitt Romney for painting Palestinians with a broad brush, David Corn certainly doesn't hesitate to paint Conservatives with an equally broad brush.

Sep. 19 2012 10:21 AM

Dr Krugman states that the Red States are the biggest "moochers" of all, but are the first to criticize anyone dependent on a social safety net. Read "Moochers Against Welfare."
Also, does Mitt realize he was talking about his running mate's own mother, who is on Medicare?
Seems like a double standard.

Sep. 19 2012 10:21 AM
Tiesha from Manhattan

I'm an Obama supporter, but listening to this guy salivate like a rabid dog is tiring.

Sep. 19 2012 10:20 AM
Ninbus

The very idea that someone who calls himself a Christian...or a Mormon...could demean the idea of providing food to the hungry is stultifying and deeply distressing.

Who would Jesus starve?

Sep. 19 2012 10:20 AM
YM from nyc

seriously, this not NEW..."October Surprise" Fail.
This guy is getting riled up over what exactly?
Romney's own people called him an etch a sketch - what is this segment?

Sep. 19 2012 10:19 AM
Edward from Washington Heights AKA pretentious Hudson Heights

FLASHBACK: Obama: My Presidency Will Be 'A One-Term Proposition' If Economy Doesn't Turn In 3 Years

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCN5-ovvFL0

Sep. 19 2012 10:17 AM
Marvin Chuckletwit from New Grub Street

@Martin, you're a fictional character from the 19th century so we don't expect you to have a factual understanding of current events, never mind adding anything constructive to the discussion here. Perhaps a hot toddy and some fresh air out of doors will help drive off that spleen of yours.

Sep. 19 2012 10:16 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

Romney is only stating a fact, that (a) 47% of Americans do not pay income taxes, while some of them feel that the income tax burden on the rich should only grow, and also (b)that the US backing of a two state solution since 2005 has failed, because the Palestinian state will not negotiate at all.

Sep. 19 2012 10:16 AM
chip

Mitt is right. When 47% of Americans pay no, or little federal income tax, they have no financial stake in the programs they vote for. I worry about what this means for democracy. Everyone should have a substantial financial burden for government, even if the rich should bear more of that burden.

Sep. 19 2012 10:16 AM
oscar from ny

President candidate romney is partially right there are many jobless able bodies just waiting for the first of the month to go buy drugs.
The way the tax system is done in the u.s is purpously difficult.
Why not fuse these issues together and make a system where these unemployed 47% learn how to sit behind a phone and computer and solve my tax problems if i have any, wich i shouldnt have a problem with if the system was set up right.
The irs should consist for the 47% who cannot comprehend or pay taxes of a bank card that i can depossit money to my goverment so they can splurge in whatever affair they are compel to make.
I should be able to see how much money i have saved for the goverment and they can refund me when i completed a certain amount of money to retire.

Sep. 19 2012 10:16 AM
BK from Hoboken

Now Republicans don't believe in taking available tax deductions?! Isn't that what Romney says about his own taxes : "I paid what I was legally obligated to pay"
But if lower income people pay what they are legally obligated to pay (and probably at a higher percentage than Romney's 13%), then it's an issue.

Sep. 19 2012 10:15 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

Bush II only gave US backing to a "two state solution" in 2005.Romney feels that this was an error.He has the right to change US policy back to where it was before 2005 if he becomes president.

Sep. 19 2012 10:14 AM
fuva from harlemworld

Romney is silly, but so are these defensive responses. Working/ middle class folk need to resist any impulse to defend themselves as not "dependent" or "entitled". Any deficit of work ethic, etc. needing address in America is zeitgeist-wide, across economic strata. We are ALL addicted to and debased by push-button dopamine spurts. The fundamental ECONOMIC crisis we face today is income/opportunity-inequality, to which Mitt -- who still doesn't understand what he has been entitled to all his life -- is oblivious or apathetic. The takeaway from this episode, once again, is that Mitt ain't fit.

Sep. 19 2012 10:13 AM
The Truth from Becky

It is becoming increasingly more difficult for the extreme right to defend the many romoney guffaws! They sound insane trying to do so.

Sep. 19 2012 10:13 AM

Do the older white male retired Republicans have the slightest idea that Romney was talking about them when he said that 47% don't pay income taxes and expect big Government to give them entitlements, lifelines and safety nets?

Sep. 19 2012 10:13 AM
Jack Jackson from Central New Jersey

@MartinC -

Your choice for President shows that he entertains some strange ideas about the American populace or is willing to say anything...ANYTHING...in order to get a vote. [There is also the possibility that he is a GIANT HYPOCRITE since we haven't seen his tax returns for the last decade. Prove that he has paid income taxes. You can't.]

That's two where you are proving to be a little thin-skinned. If you are going to stand on the soapbox so often, you have to be prepared for some lumps.

Sep. 19 2012 10:12 AM
fuva from harlemworld

Yeah, Chuzzlewit, get outta the kitchen when the heat is on. At least you're consistent.

Sep. 19 2012 10:12 AM

Hey maybe you can do some investigaions about NDAA, the American's for assasination list, and how the Federal Reserve Bank is killing us...if you have time...I know you are busy.

Sep. 19 2012 10:09 AM
Joe from nearby

@Martin Chuzzlewit from Manhattan:

"A distraction"? Are you claiming Rmoney did not in fact say those things? Seriously??!

Sep. 19 2012 10:08 AM
Robert from NYC

Good, the witless is gone.

Sep. 19 2012 10:08 AM
Judith from Brooklyn

The Catholic Church has a tax exemption, right? So, they probably don't pay federal income taxes. Are they victims dependent on government support? How about farmers with agricultural subsidies, defense companies with government contracts, people who pay only capital gains taxes - victims all?

Sep. 19 2012 10:05 AM
Dan

Watch youtube called "Mitt Romney's Mom Says his Dad was on Welfare"

So I guess Mitt is saying his own father was a moocher.
No surprise really- Mitt's father released 10 years of tax returns, and Mitt refuses to do that.
Like father, like son? Naw.

Sep. 19 2012 10:04 AM
Martin Chuzzlewit from Manhattan

This is all nonsense and a distraction by Team Axelrod. I'm outta here.

"This is little barry obama.....and I approve the following message."

Sep. 19 2012 10:02 AM
Joe

@Edward from Washington Heights AKA pretentious Hudson Heights:
If you think the POTUS is a "socialist" then you don't know the meaning of the word. Stop parroting foxlies here. We're intelligent.

Sep. 19 2012 10:01 AM
Edward from Washington Heights AKA pretentious Hudson Heights

There is a reason why Obama is known as the Foodstamp president.

Keeping people dependent on government handouts is Socialism.

Socialism is a failure. Just look at collapsing Europe.

Sep. 19 2012 09:36 AM
Sheldon from Brooklyn

If you are a hardworking couple, working a couple of wal-mart type jobs and you take advantage of the Ford/Reagan signed - earned income tax credit when you file your taxes, for your two kids( because you believe in family and decided NOT to have abortions) YOU ARE A PARASITIC DEADBEAT!!! According to Romney.

Sep. 19 2012 09:09 AM
J.C. from Manhattan

While Mitt Romney's candor in voicing his distain for almost half the members of our society is disturbing, I can't say it is surprising. What I found most disturbing was his enthusiastic recounting of his visit to a work camp in China which occurred when he was with Bain. He practically salivated thinking of all of the young Chinese girls with little options but to be flexible labor, living and working full time at the camp with a reserve army of surplus labor eagerly waiting to take their places should they dare to take time off to go home to visit their families. Given that China is a stark example of what capitalism looks like when it is unchecked by the intervention democratic governmental institutions or civil society (such as labor unions) and given Romney own hostility of government regulation or other protections for workers, we should be terrified that Romney finds this neo-dickensian labor camp so alluring.

Sep. 19 2012 08:56 AM

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