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30 Issues Data: Bouncing Back From Recession

Thursday, September 13, 2012 - 11:00 AM

As part of the Brian Lehrer Show's 30 Issues in 30 Days series, the WNYC Data News team is designing interactive visualizations, tools and graphics to illuminate the data behind the issues. Today's chart links to our conversation about the long-term unemployed.

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Notice the recovery time has increased in every instance. This corresponds to the steady de-industrialization of the economy over the last 25 years or so. Manufacturing used to account for 30 percent of jobs, now 10 percent. So it's taking longer to come up with alternative jobs. Short of a big wave of new jobs from some new technology or service, comparable to that from the 1990s-early 2000s computer/Internet period, the current jobs recession may not end. Until then, the missing jobs are those real jobs (people making things other people need) sent overseas.

The plot says nothing about the quality of the recovered jobs; people are typically taking new jobs for much less pay and beenfits.

Sep. 18 2012 12:07 PM

@Lynn from NYC -

Don't be hurt by the bigoted remarks of the ignorant. In today's world, it gives too much power to people who do not know you.

You can, however, be harmed by their illogical suppositions. The political choices empowered by their ignorance hurts us all every day.

Sep. 16 2012 10:58 AM
Lynn from NYC

As a longterm unemployed college educated young-professional who is incredibly proactive in my search, I was hurt by the obnoxious, mean-spirited and ignorant comments of Manhattan Institute's Diana Furchtgott-Roth from Brian's show yesterday. The remarks about abusing substances and getting paid "sitting home watching TV all day" were particularly disgusting. She is clearly out of touch.
Wonder where she got her facts...

Sep. 14 2012 11:53 PM
richard hokin

There's an error in my previous comment:

"There's a different dynamic in this cycle. Private sector employment bottomed out in early 2010 and has recovered to 100.5% of its January 2010 level; the public sector continues to decline and stands at 97% of the January 2010 level."

The basis for comparisons should be the January 2009 employment levels.

Sep. 14 2012 03:09 PM
richard hokin

There's a different dynamic in this cycle. Private sector employment bottomed out in early 2010 and has recovered to 100.5% of its January 2010 level; the public sector continues to decline and stands at 97% of the January 2010 level.

Sep. 14 2012 03:04 PM
Cortlandt St.

From thehill.com

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Unbelievable!

Sep. 14 2012 10:27 AM
TMB from Bronx

The unemployment insurance statistics cited by the guest from the Manhattan Institute are not correct. The days of 99 weeks of benefits are long gone. A person losing their job today in any state is currently eligible for a maximum of 26 weeks state unemployment benefits. All Emergency Unemployment Compensation and Extended Benefit programs are federal programs that expire January 2, 2013. This needs to be addressed by the current Congress.

Maximum weekly benefit in New York State is $405. New Jersey maximum weekly benefit is $611.

Sep. 14 2012 09:48 AM
Kathleen H from Harlem

Speaker from Manhattan Institute needs to be challenged on effects of ALLEGED corporate tax rate of 35%. News flash: They are NOT paying this rate. Large staffs of corporate lawyers manipulate the balance sheets, so the tax rates are vastly lower than most Western industrialized countries and much, much lower than the 1950s in the US, which was the last time the middle class gained in wages and was prosperous (not out of work).

For example, from 2008-2010, GE, Boeing, Wells-Fargo, ConEdison and Mattel paid negative tax rates. That's right they PAID NOTHING in federal taxes. So those "cries of pain about taxes," really folks, those are cries of joy. Remember what you hear from a straight-forward Republican Party propaganda machine like the Manhattan Institute is highly unlikely to be truthful.

Sep. 13 2012 12:38 PM
Katherine Jackson from LES

This woman, Diana etc., is appallimgly condescending in her attitude towards the long te unemployed who, she claims deteriorate into TV-watching likely substance abusers who lose their getting-to-work skills. They shouldn't mind acceptimg a low-paying job and moving from NYC toNorth Dakota ( no offense intended by me as regards ND but this sounds like a huge cultural adjustment for many people, fraught with psychological and other dangers, but no matter, it "gets th back im the work force."). Most of the longterm unemployed are casualties of the economic collapse caused by exactly the deregulated, trust the private sector until lack of oversight causes another bubble fraught with indifference to the impact on ordinary working peoplle. Then, once they're unemployed, drive them back into the same irresponsible --at times fraud-riddled -- workforce, even if it means lower wages 1500 miles from where they were living!

Sep. 13 2012 12:03 PM
hevecd from Queens, New York

Brian, the previous guest, Ms. Furchkopf-Roth (sp?) has referenced a comparison between the income tax on businesses in this country and other countries, and putting forth the argument that our tax is higher than other businesses. Is she not comparing apples to oranges? In Europe there is a VAT tax on virtually everything purchased, and we have no such tax here. How can we fairly compare income taxes on both individuals and businesses here and there without referencing this kind of sales tax? It is an additional different source of revenue for governments, and it has an effect on those those economies (has anyone calculated this in to the applicability of supply side theory?) Why does no one ever include this important factor in discussions when comparing the income tax rates here and in Europe?

Sep. 13 2012 12:01 PM
John C from Highland Park, NJ

The Manhattan Institute's Diana Furchtgott-Roth seems to believe that unemployment benefits may be extended for up to 99 weeks. This is not true, or perhaps it is not true in all states. In New Jersey one may receive 73 to 79 weeks of unemployment benefits.

The Extended Benefits program that gave an additional 20 weeks of unemployment benefits -- that is, up to 99 weeks -- ended in NJ on July 7, 2012.

Are 99 weeks of unemployment benefits still available in New York State?

Sep. 13 2012 12:01 PM
Sonia Jaffe Robbins from Manhattan

I'd like to see this graph also show the Great Depression, how far employment fell and how long it took to come back. This recession is clearly not like those over the past forty years.

Sep. 13 2012 11:29 AM

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