Convention Wrap-Up and Jobs Numbers

Friday, September 07, 2012

Jeff Greenfield, co-host of PBS's "Need to Know", Yahoo! News  columnist, and Heidi Moore, New York bureau chief and Wall Street correspondent for Marketplace, discuss the conventions and this morning's jobs numbers.


Jeff Greenfield and Heidi Moore

Comments [48]

Edward from Washington Heights AKA pretentious Hudson Heights


"I'll take Biden's 'gaffes' over a pol who has been shown to be lying to my face any day. Wouldn't you?"

Ah. So you admit Obama has lied to the American people.

Sep. 08 2012 03:27 PM
Edward from Washington Heights AKA pretentious Hudson Heights

Looking at the top picture, it seems that Clinton has a problem with his back or he is bowing to the Messiah.

Sep. 08 2012 03:24 PM
John from New Jersey

I was interested in the comment made by Jeff Greenfield that the public is expecting too much magic from a President. I am continually amazed how little discussion there is of the role of the Congress in making progress or going backwards. I put a lot of the blame on lazy news media. It's too easy to talk about the President and his speeches. The press continually discusses with listeners/viewers how the President changes or didn't changes laws and events. The press fails to point out to the public that the President can't change much without the cooperation of Congress. That's why the public expects magic from the President. News media don't remind the public that Congress has to act, too. The press has not said enough about how Congress intentionally blocked much of the legislation proposed by the President without submitting alternate workable solutions. When in our history has a political group intentionally hurt the public solely for political gain?

Sep. 07 2012 06:36 PM

@Edward from Washington Heights AKA pretentious Hudson Heights

1) By what stretch of the imagination do you conclude that a pipeline that goes from Canada to Louisiana will produce oil for domestic consumption only? That oil will enter the world market and most of it will be shipped to India or China. The reason that we refine it here is because the natural gas used in the refining process is cheap here.

2) I'll take Biden's 'gaffes' over a pol who has been shown to be lying to my face any day. Wouldn't you?

Sep. 07 2012 02:08 PM

@MartinC -

Seriously? Neither you or Krauthammer get any traction out of a 'lack of specifics' argument. The GOP has lead the way in 'ask me again later's during this election cycle.

How about this for specifics...If GOP Senators can't stop standing on the brakes with both feet, we cut their feet off - figuratively, of course. Filibusters to block House action or Presidential appointments are anti-democratic and OUGHT to be an election issue.

Sep. 07 2012 01:55 PM
Joyce from Manhattan

LOL, that's an unbiased and conveniently forgetful look at the platforms. IN reality, they are not much different, both suck. Neither will do much on the divisive social issues, since they both use them to club voters over the head. Hence, no move on immigration till months before the election, no changes in abortion through multiple administrations, etc. etc. etc. The song and dance is the equivalent of playing the fiddle as Rome burns at this point. Very, very sad. I was hoping Obama would at least give us something more. As someone else said, after Clinton, I was actually upset with the Obama speech and lack of new and real specifics. I was decided and now I don't know what I will do. Maybe go for the new unknown, rather than the same old. Though I guess being in NY it really doesn't matter.

Sep. 07 2012 11:13 AM
Linda in NJ

To the 28-year old caller who has a law degree, student loans, lives at home with his parents, and can't find a job:

I don't know what kind of law degree you have, but why not open up your own one-man legal practice? I came upon a one-woman law office last weekend in a Jersey shore town. She has a one-room office on the ground floor of an old "storefront", without even room for a secretary. For all I know, the woman might even live upstairs from the office. The sign on the window said she handles basic stuff like wills, personal injury, workman's comp, divorce/family law, traffic violations, etc.

Why not start out small like this, charge reasonable rates, build up a clientele and earn a great reputation. Then after a year or so, you'll have some real experience under your belt and a future employer should find that attractive. And, you never know what it could lead to. Many famous & successful people started out in their own garage, basement or dining room!

Also, alot of grass-roots non-profit companies need an attorney to handle their legal affairs. The salary might not be great, but working for a non-profit is usually a very enlightening and interest job.

Unfortunately you might have to sacrifice a steady paycheck, no healthcare benefits, and no secretary, but you could always contact the local college or business school for a secretarial or paralegal "intern". You can go to yard sales or goodwill stores to get basic office furniture.

I realize this is easier said than done. But in this economy, you have to be resourceful and make things happen rather than wait for things to happen.

I wish you luck!

Sep. 07 2012 11:09 AM
Henry from Manhattan

Wow. These undecided voter callers are infuriating.

Anti gay marriage. Anti abortion. Anti government. Anti environmental regulation. Anti finance regulation. Deny climate science. Would have let the auto industry collapse. Never lifted a finger to improve health care. Last president trashed country that they don't even have him at conventions.

Pro gay equality. Pro choice. Believe that government can be beneficial. Believe in preserving environment. Believe in regulating finance. Accept climate science. Preserved auto industry. Understand that health care needs to be addressed. Does not unduly obstruct government for political gains. Last president is well respected and invited to conventions.

We could go on of course. If people can’t distinguish a meaningful difference, they need to organize their thoughts a little better. No, no party perfectly matches my vision for what I want, but it’s not at all difficult to pick a platform that comes close.

Sep. 07 2012 11:07 AM

@Steve from Queens

People who make "complex" voting decisions a year in advance via simple checklists are the problem with American politics.

Sep. 07 2012 11:06 AM
drew from Bronx

If you are undecided now and you worry like some callers about what the specificplans of the parties are, look at the laws they submitted that were struck down by the other side.
Democrats submitted several jobs bills, struck down by republicans.
Republicans submitted a budget that would gut social securityand Medicare, struck down by democrats.

Sep. 07 2012 11:05 AM
Bob from Westchester, NY

To Steve from Queens: Good point, but one flaw in your tie-breaker -- those still undecided probably don't have a pet, as they are still debating whether to get a cat or a dog!

Sep. 07 2012 11:03 AM
Edward from Washington Heights AKA pretentious Hudson Heights

I hope that one-term President Jimmy Carter speech to the DNC, on tape, is a harbinger of Obama being a one-term President as well.

FLASHBACK: Obama: My Presidency Will Be 'A One-Term Proposition' If Economy Doesn't Turn In 3 Years

Sep. 07 2012 10:58 AM
John A.

May still not be voting.
Am forcing myself to re-read the Brennan speech on targeted killing.
I would rate Clinton's speech as Much more clever than Christie's.
And let me observe that the very pro-military Republicans "left a man behind" at the convention: GWB, because they Had to. Still, it's a living breathing -1 for their cause.

Sep. 07 2012 10:53 AM
Edward from Washington Heights AKA pretentious Hudson Heights

As for the debates, I especially am looking forward to the Biden/Ryan VP debates.

For truth in advertising, Biden should wear a Dunce Cap during the debate.

Youtube "Biden gaffes"

Joe Biden Screws Up During Interview

Sep. 07 2012 10:53 AM
Steve from Queens

Brian, what is wrong with these undecided people calling in. They are like my procrastinating wife that has 4 months to look for a gown to attend a friend’s wedding next month. She had it down to 2 dresses last week but she love one of the two but wants it with different cut. The other dress show would like it in a brighter color design WTF!! I love my wife but people like this have problems making basic and complex decisions. America you only have 3 choices. Here is a tip. Write in three columns the 3 party and decide what you like or dislike about the 3 candidates. If by chance you should come up tie with any 2 then have your pet break the tie. Just one thing “you can’t have your cake and eat it too”

Sep. 07 2012 10:53 AM
fairy from nyc

BTW: I couldn't watch Giffords deliver her pledge. I thought it was politicized beyond belief, and would not expect the Dem's to pull such a Republican maneuver. I tuned out of that.
And with the Dem's cahirwoman at her so political and not something the Dem's should go near with a ten foot pole

Sep. 07 2012 10:50 AM
Sheldon from Brooklyn

And to Jane's and Seth's points..If Detroit had gone through a bankruptcy, their only tangible assets - their "marks" and brands would have been gobbled up by the Chinese and that would have been that.

Sep. 07 2012 10:49 AM
Edward from Washington Heights AKA pretentious Hudson Heights

I'm voting for Romney, not Obama, because Obama killed the Keystone pipeline project.

$100 per barrel oil and $4 per gallon gas is bad for the US.

But that is good if you want to prop up OPEC and the Islamic Regime of Iran.

The US MUST get off Middle East oil.

FLASHBACK: Obama: My Presidency Will Be 'A One-Term Proposition' If Economy Doesn't Turn In 3 Years

Better to get oil from the US itself, or friends like Canada.

Sep. 07 2012 10:47 AM
Christine from Westchester

hjs1211: I think there are people who are undecided because they don't like the deal with either party. We'd be better off with more parties and other choices than red or blue. I can't say I am happy with either choice: Mitt or Obama. I'd like another choice too. Unfortunately, this is what we're offered.
Sanych: I voted for anyone else last time (whoever wasn't McCain or Obama.) I don't think it made any impact.

Sep. 07 2012 10:45 AM
Shauna from Queens

I'm sorry, Amy, but our President got almost every major initiative he wanted, from healthcare, to the bailouts, to the stimulus, etc. He also squandered House and Senate majorities that he held over the half his 1st term. That argument is just a cop-out. I am severely disappointed, particularly after the Clinton speech, that we heard basically 2008 v2.0 from Obama last night.

Sep. 07 2012 10:44 AM
Anna from Manhattan

Who *are* these callers who are still undecided? I think their inability to pick a candidate says more about them than the candidates' messages - I doubt these voters will learn much new between now and the election, and the republicans and democrats have drawn a stark divide on most issues. Once more, if you're voting on the economy, the policies of both sides line up with the party economic beliefs of the last twenty years. I think the answer to who to vote for surely must lie with these so-called "independents" own inability to clarify their own convictions.

Sep. 07 2012 10:42 AM
The Truth from Becky

Two phrases I could live without EVER hearing again: "Drinking the Kool Aid" and "Thrown Under the Bus"!

Sep. 07 2012 10:41 AM
Amy from Manhattan

What I didn't hear in the major speeches at the DNC was anything about electing a Congress that won't obstruct everything Pres. Obama tries to do, so more of his policies can actually become law and have an affect on people's lives. Mr. Romney says his policies have failed, but with the current Congress, they haven't had a chance to succeed or fail.

Sep. 07 2012 10:39 AM

I don’t understand how people can be undecided at this point.
They are just lucky we don’t have a multi-party system(meaning more than 2)

Sep. 07 2012 10:39 AM
Jessie Henshaw from way uptown

Politicians always end up describing the economy as steered by the wisdom of their own habitual values and choices. That, of course, “just ain’t so”, but “who could tell???”. It gets so habitual that people with better insight are treated as "oddballs", is the problem.

It seems to never occur to people that what physically steers the economy is what you should look at. How markets work by themselves is so silent and invisible, making no noise about it at all.

Who would ever guess it’s their active searching and learning about their changing options that physically makes the economy’s choices. No one would ever guess that’s what’s doing it, would they?

Sep. 07 2012 10:39 AM
The Truth from Becky

Uhhmm hello he mentioned saving the auto industry which is mentioning the e stimulus, he talked about healthcare, gave two examples of real people who had the benefit from the new Affordable Healthcare Plan as well BUT for ALL of you, including YOU BRIAN who didn't listen, the message is FORWARD those things have been addressed and NOW we are moving FORWARD - what was missing was the mention of the obstruction by the republican party! Blame them for the jobs bill for one thing that was presented and rejected!!

Sep. 07 2012 10:37 AM
Christine from Westchester

Thomas: I didn't say "everyone has to do their share except the rich guys." The answer should be "everyone has to do their share." That means rich guys (we need to repair the loopholes and offshoring of cash.) but it can't be ONLY the rich who pay. If you took ALL of their wealth, it wouldn't solve the problem. We have to cut costs (let's start with military spending) and if something is worth being funded, everyone should be happy to help cover the cost. Even if that's only 1% tax. If you don't have to pay fed taxes, it's easy to say "we need those other guys to pay." When I say everyone, I mean EVERYONE.

Sep. 07 2012 10:36 AM
Sheldon from Brooklyn

Chriss, you are right. Philosophically, I was against a auto bailout but if banks got one, which Romney - I believe, was for, then it would have been hard to justify not to giving one to Detroit.

If GM/Chrysler had gone through a "managed" bankruptcy, three years ago, when there was no private capital anywhere. Detroit would been a car museum by now.

Sep. 07 2012 10:36 AM
Brandon from Manhattan

@skip, it almost is irrelevant, since we're not even keeping up with the birth/immigration rates. We also have something like a 140M more people in the country than 1981, and far more women working. The numbers are just scary right now.

Sep. 07 2012 10:34 AM

Why nobody mentions that Obama protected banksters from pitchforks?

That he failed to prosecute fraudsters and financial criminals?

Sep. 07 2012 10:34 AM
Seth Pecksniff

Chriss, for Bankruptcy to be effective there has to be a company standing by who can pick up the pieces. When it came to the Autos there was no one able to buy off the carcasses that would be left, because of the bank collapse. So, while I agree with your definition of Bankruptcy, it would never have worked for the Auto industry. sorry.

Sep. 07 2012 10:32 AM

How does the retirement rate of baby boomers factor into labor rates. How many people who have "left the work force" are actually retirement eligible people finally making the decision?

Sep. 07 2012 10:30 AM
Jane from nyc


what you don't understand is that if those companies would have went into "bankrupcy" all the suppliers would have gone out of business.

They would be revived would be in China, where there government would not have any problems financing, bailing out or anything else to make sure they stay in china.

The auto manufacturing industry would move to China the way the textile industry did and would NEVER com back... the Chinese government would make sure of that.

Sep. 07 2012 10:27 AM
fairy from nyc

Please stick to being fair and balanced and mention that Obama was the one who supported off shore drilling, right before the BP explosion (he mentioned off shore drilling in his speech last night).
He was the one who kept the Bush tax cuts - on a day Barney Sanders gave his blustering speech.
Obama mentioned Natural Gas drilling in his speech - REALLY? I was in an Obama party in Carroll Gardens last night and people actually booo'ed the president. Really, President Obama - Fracking?!

WNYC - Be fair and Balanced! I am very liberal in my views, but even I can see BS when I hear it.

Sep. 07 2012 10:25 AM

@sanych amen

Sep. 07 2012 10:24 AM
Harry from nyc

Obama worked on saving the banks, auto industry, health insurance system and the economy.

The Republican worked on getting Obama out of office..

Are we Americans or Republicans?

Sep. 07 2012 10:23 AM
Chriss from Montclair

The one disingenuous point that Democrats make over and over, which is based on the public's basic "mis" understanding, is what "Bankruptcy" means.

Romney wanted the Autos to go through a structured corporate Bankruptcy, not unlike what almost every major airline, and many fine companies, have gone through.

But the Democrats want "folks" to think "Bankruptcy" means a company closes down, which it certainly does not.

Sadly, most folks don't know the difference.

Sep. 07 2012 10:21 AM
Thomas Pinch

So Christine, if you liked the messaging, why are you saying that "everyone has to do their share" except the rich guys???

Sep. 07 2012 10:17 AM
bernie from bklyn

as futile as convention speech analysis least cokie roberts isn't today's guest on the BL show. obama is right- things could be worse!

Sep. 07 2012 10:17 AM
Truth & Beauty from Brooklyn

Martin Chuzzlewit from Manhattan: G-d forbid the GOP should win in November, but then you'd see just how wrong you are. As Bill Clinton said in his speech, the solution to our economic problems lies in arithmetic and apparently the GOP, which does not support education, is not familiar with the concept (remember Reaganomics?).

Otherwise, I am very glad the conventions are over. This has been a VERY intense summer, what with the Olympics, Paralympics, two conventions, US Open tennis, Hurricane Isaac. I watched the DNC coverage every night and though the speeches were rousing and, of course, far more literate and sensible than those of the RNC, I am exhausted.

Back to work.

Sep. 07 2012 10:16 AM
Christine from Westchester

I really liked the address (and I'm a conservative) from the standpoint of messaging. I liked the tone of everyone has to do their share. (Which should be the case, and it should not mean, the other guys have to pay). Unfortunately, I can't believe the words when the actions are blame the rich guys, keep the theme of someone "owes you". So while I appreciate the messaging, I don't believe there's a plan to make them a reality.

Sep. 07 2012 10:14 AM

The answer is in the question - why do we have to choose between TWO candidates?

The obvious set of action for November is to vote for NEITHER.

And it will not be a wasted vote...

Sep. 07 2012 10:13 AM
Sheldon from Brooklyn

"Martin" you keep quoting that Fox/NY Post, Murdoch sycophant Krauthammer as though he is some objective journalist. Now who's drinking that sugary, red drink?

Sep. 07 2012 10:10 AM

Man this is silly

Sep. 07 2012 10:09 AM
Katie from Brooklyn

I was really disappointed by the President's speech last night. It was almost identical to prior speeches we've heard even back in the 2008 campaign. I'm not sure, but it's kind of like he's acting like he just landed on the planet and can sell the same speech again. He's sadly starting to lose me.

Sep. 07 2012 10:08 AM
Brandon from Manhattan

I think the employment numbers are the nail in the coffin for this election cycle. We are not even lose to keeping up with population growth. The numbers were simply staggeringly bad. People are simply evaporating from the labor force, we are below 1981 numbers. If the Administration touts the lower headline number, they will lose all credibility since it reality over 360k people vanished from the roles in this report - it shows what statistics need to be analyzed not just accepted.

All this while adding 5 Trillion to the debt. Something like over a million dollars cost per job created. Interest expanse on our current debt this fiscal year over $323 Billion ( This with all time low rates - this used to be our entire budget not long ago.) Imagine if rates just went up a percent or two, let alone go back to historical norms or worse. Where does that leave our programs? This is not good.

I think we need more than the same old speeches at this point, we need concrete plans.

Sep. 07 2012 09:49 AM
Martin Chuzzlewit from Manhattan

Oh, and about those jobs numbers ... that works out to a whopping 1920 jobs in each STATE.

Yea, a real jobs creator, this guy. LOL... those 600,000 jobs in "natural gas" will be along any minute now. Really

Who are you going to believe … Obama or your own lying eyes?

Sep. 07 2012 09:49 AM
Martin Chuzzlewit from Manhattan

BRIAN will give you the USUAL “I drank the cool-aid” review from the Sun King’s simpering, slobbering sycophants. Here is an alternative review by a responsible adult to compare to the next 2 hours of worshipful content---

KRAUTHAMMER ON OBAMA: "One of The Emptiest Speeches I Have Ever Heard"

“I was stunned. This is a man who gave one of the great speeches of our time in 2004, and he gave one of the emptiest speeches I have ever heard on a national stage.

There was nothing in it. This is a man who believes that government can and should do a lot. There is nothing in here that tells us how he's going to go from today to tomorrow. As we heard, he didn't speak about achievements, even the ones that liberals like ... ObamaCare, stimulus and etc ... they're unpopular. And he can't speak about his record on the economy.

What we heard from Obama was a vision. And he pulls numbers out of a hat ... 100,000 new math and science teachers, 600,000 more people working in natural gas, two million more trainees. I have a vision of an America where there is no disease and everybody has a private airplane, but unless I tell you how we get there, I’ve said nothing. The Obama speech, I thought, was flat and had no content in it.

Otherwise, I loved it, really."

Sep. 07 2012 09:36 AM

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