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Opinion: Happy America? We Let the Guns Win

Friday, July 20, 2012 - 03:27 PM

More than 70 percent of guns seized in Mexican crimes in 2009 and 2010 originated in the U.S. (barjack/flickr)

Well, obviously the government isn’t “coming for your guns.”

They certainly didn’t come for James Holmes’ semi-automatic rifle or the two pistols that he managed to get into the theater. (12 dead, 71 wounded.)  Similarly, they didn’t come for Sueng-Hui Cho’s .22 pistol or his 9mm Glock before he locked all the doors at Virginia Tech and simply had at it. (32 dead, 25 wounded.)

The ATF didn’t kick down James Huberty’s door and confiscate his Uzi, his Winchester 12 gauge shotgun or his Browning 9mm before he walked into a McDonald’s in San Ysidro, California. (21 dead, 19 wounded.)

The tyrannical federal government absolutely did not oppress George Hennard before he went into a Luby’s Cafeteria in Killeen, Texas. He was still in safe, legal possession of his Glock 17 and his Ruger P89 when he opened fire. (23 dead, 20 wounded.)

Jim Adkisson’s 2nd Amendment rights seemed to be humming along pretty good when he walked into a Unitarian church in Knoxville, Tennessee and opened fire with a 12 gauge Remington. (2 dead, 7 wounded.)

Amy Bishop enjoyed the full protection of the United States Constitution right up to the point where she pulled out her 9mm pistol at a faculty meeting at the University of Alabama at Huntsville and started shooting. (3 dead, 3 wounded.)  It should be noted that her 2nd Amendment rights were fully intact despite shooting and killing her 18 year old brother back in 1986.

The ATF didn’t exist back in 1966, but whichever sinister branch of the federal government was responsible for coming for the guns of the populace back then didn’t bother at all with Charles Whitman, who took an M1 Garand, a .35 caliber Remington rifle, a 6mm Remington rifle with a scope, a .357 Magnum Smith & Wesson revolver, a 9mm Luger pistol, a .25 caliber Galesi-Brescia pistol and a 12 gauge shotgun up the top of the tower at UT Austin and started shooting. (16 dead, 32 wounded.)

There are dozens upon dozens upon dozens of incidents like this, and many of them were done by people who purchased their guns entirely within their rights as citizens of the United States. So please, spare me the idiotic rhetoric about how the government is “coming for your guns.”

The debate is over. The guns win. Forget any concerns or even minor reasonable restrictions. There are too many guns to keep track of, or to even regulate. We might as well just start selling them in vending machines, or in the bargain rack at Walgreens.

So all you paranoids out there can relax. All of you folks who believe that the only thing standing between America and Soviet-style oppression is your deer rifle and your membership in the East Cleetus County Freedom and Liberty Militia can stand down now. Everyone who somehow thinks that our government (which is capable of obliterating entire city blocks from 30,000 feet) won’t be able to sleep easy until they get ahold of your stupid little .38 caliber revolver will have to find some other self-important delusion with which to occupy yourselves.

All’s well. Fire away.

Happy now?

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Comments [12]

MadSat

LOL. You goofs don't even know how many gun injuries there are in the US in a year, quit kidding me. The info is in a yearly report from the medical dept at Penn State, and it is always five years behind because the govt is forbidden to join it all together in a database, because that would somehow violate gun rights, according to the lord of DC, the NRA.

However, it's now at 100,000 per year, injuries and deaths combined. So stop fooling yourselves, the numbers DO NOT support you at all. Your overlord just managed to scratch a little sand over them, like a cat in a litter box.

Feb. 20 2013 07:24 AM
Rick from The Commonwealth Of Virginia

Oh I just had to way in on the this Adam, not even Eleanor Clift the most liberal or liberals admits you can't connect guns and the number of murders or deaths to the public. This fear you try to instill into the public is without merit. If it is your true goal in your heart of hearts to make the population safe from death, why don't you start with doctors mistakes.

Of course once again you have forgotten your history Adam, "By the way, if you think having a 9mm would help you fight off, say, an Apache helicopter, I think that's great. Wolverines!" The North Vietnamese didn't need a single helicopter to defeat the US. Of course the liberal press and the likes of Jane Fonda made it easy for them.

I am sure you find no problem with the Fast & Furious program either. It was the democratic party that screamed bloody murder and the news media, daily calling for additional gun control for firearms as they crossed the border. Then come to find out it's Obama administration supplying drug cartels. Amazing this is all but lost from the media reporting. This was a despicable act produced by our own government. You know the open and transparent Obama government, the one charged with contempt, and calling for executive privilege. This administration steals the truth when it is fabricated this way, and people like you perpetuate it.

We need government and kook control, not gun control. 64 million gun owners didn't kill anybody yesterday. It can be said the Obama administration killed Brian Terry, this is much more truthful than Romney killing someone because of losing their health insurance.

We need to vote the bums out.

Aug. 13 2012 04:14 PM
Lois from Virginia

What a Blog...So now another in Wisconsin to add to their list.

Aug. 06 2012 02:26 PM
Adam Dawson from Washington DC

@john, we make those sort of distinctions all the time. People with Alzheimer's aren't allowed to drive. Neither are people with multiple dui's. Neither are the legally blind. . We do this because we have quite reasonably decided that allowing them to do so constitutes a danger to themselves and the public.

All "slippery slope" arguments aside, can you tell me what's wrong with preventing a schizophrenic from strolling into a gun store and buying whatever he wants? His rights end where my rights are shoulder rolling behind a counter at Macy's because of the sustained gunfire.

Jul. 22 2012 12:13 PM
John Hermann

Make an exception to HIPPA for gun ownership? sure...why not?

Wait...More people per year are killed in car accidents than are killed by firearms. Let's make an exception to HIPPA for that too!

Oh...And Alcohol is a contributor to a lot of those deaths, along with a lot of other crime. Let's make that part of the questionaire/vetting process.

and let's not forget illegal drugs or the abuse of presciption medications...

Seriously though Mr. Dawson, while I admire your passion the fact remains that for decades the Democratic Party has made several attempts to pass more and more "gun control" laws without any definitive benefit to the population. They constantly and consistently overlook the fact that criminals, by definition, do not obey laws and that legislation (at best) is reactive, not proactive.

Just as you are apparently fed up with all the "paranoia" about the government trying to take people's firearms away from them, I am equally fed up with all the hysteria that points out, either explicitly or implicitly, the ridiculous notion that if people didn't own firearms none of this would have occurred. That is akin to saying that if people didn't own spoons they wouldn't get fat!

Jul. 21 2012 09:07 PM
Adam Dawson from Washington, DC

Ok, fine, here's something "useful."

How about an exemption to HIPPA for gun ownership? How about during the background check they get to check and see if you did any time in a mental facility or were being treated with anti-psychotics?

Virginia actually tried to put that into place after Cho murdered half of Virginia Tech, but the NRA strongly lobbied against it. Who knows, a paranoid schizophrenic might need a gun to fight off the aliens from the planet Zoltar who are conspiring against him.

Sure, said paranoid schizophrenic would probably be able to get a gun anyway (after all, there are more guns in America than actual people in America,) but would it kill us to make it a little less easy for him?

Jul. 21 2012 02:59 PM
Adam dawson from Washington DC

Yes, carol. I am sad and mad, just as you were sad and mad about those two border agents who got killed with American guns. Dispassionate analysis doesn't really work for me when somebody thinks he's the joker and randomly kills dozens.

Anyway, like I said, the debates over. Guns win. Nobody is "coming for" them, regardless of the paranoid fantasies of conservatives, militias and the NRA. 2nd amendment is alive and well, and the occasional shopping
Mall slaughter is the price we all have to pay.

Jul. 21 2012 11:39 AM
Karol from NYC

So what I understand from your equally hysterical comment, Adam, is that you're sad and mad and have nothing of any useful value to say on the subject. Ok.

Jul. 21 2012 11:02 AM
listener

Not sure what the point of this article is except an emotional rant directed against law abiding citizens about the crimes committed by criminals.
It seems for most gun owners the concern is not that the government will come with force but that the government will NOT come with force when you really need them.
Sarcasm like 'Happy America" and "Happy Now" seems really inappropriate however it reminds us that the First Amendment like the Second Amendment are rights that come with heavy responsibilities.

Jul. 21 2012 12:11 AM
Adam Dawson

New York, Washington, DC and Chicago are not islands in the middle of the ocean. All anyone in DC has to do is pay a Virginian $50 plus cost to go buy a gun for them. Hell, there's a pawn shop right over the Key Bridge that sells dozens of handguns a week. Chicago people do the same thing with folks from downstate or people in Indiana. New Yorkers use people from Pennsylvania. Also, "High Crime Rates" is pretty relative. Sure. Lots of gun deaths in DC, New York and Chicago. Also LA. Also Des Moines, Pittsburgh, Philly, Orlando, Tampa, Miami, Charlotte, Houston, Dallas, etc. etc.

As I said in the article, gun control is pointless. We have too many guns and too much of a national fetish about them. I just view that as a tragedy and not something to be triumphant about. The NRA says the same thing, but they say it with smug satisfaction that makes my skin crawl.

I don't think anything I wrote was fact free. Did Mr. Huberty not stroll into a McDonald's and kill people? Was I just making that up? Are they not now scrubbing the blood out of the seats in that theater in Colorado? Virginia Tech? UT Austin? Luby's cafeteria in Texas? Did any of these people have to sneak into alleys in the middle of the night to buy their guns or did they march into gun stores with their heads held high? It was the latter, most assuredly. Look it up.

I'm not sure where you got the idea that I think Soviet tyranny would be ok. I spent some time in Egypt under Mubarak, so I have at least a passing idea of what that sort of thing looks like. Didn't like it much at all. But that's not the point. The point is that nobody is "coming" for anybody's stupid guns, which is the rallying cry for the NRA and a great many mouth breathing idiots. If the government actually is they are doing the worst job ever. There are tons of bodies lying around that prove that.

By the way, if you think having a 9mm would help you fight off, say, an Apache helicopter, I think that's great. Wolverines!

Jul. 20 2012 06:33 PM
RJ from Washington DC

If you are going to list all of the times guns are used in crimes. Try listing every time they are use in preventing crimes -- both sides of this debate piss me off. The NRA won't list anything that helps your argument and you won't list anything that helps their argument. Why can't anyone give us all of the facts so we can make an educated decision instead of these emotional pieces of crap. Yes I am talking about the shit you just wrote and all of the pro-gun writers that are just as paranoid as you describe. Are there no rational people who would like to analyze statistical data from both sides to come up with pure honest data that us undecideds can make a decision with -- right now both of you piss me off -- and no I have never owned a gun -- but on the other hand the dozens of people I know that do own guns have never shot anyone. Tired of both sides of this cry-baby debate!!!

Jul. 20 2012 05:46 PM
Karol from NYC

How do you explain a high rate of gun deaths in parts of the country that completely ban guns? Wash DC? NYC? Chicago? These are places where obtaining a legal gun is nearly impossible yet these cities lead the way in gun violence. Why is that, in your opinion?

You write an entirely emotional, fact-free piece about guns and mock the idea that we're a free country because our citizenry is allowed to own guns but the fact is that guns have indeed kept us from become a "Soviet-style" dictatorship. -Signed, someone actually born in the Soviet dictatorship you don't fear but I do.

Jul. 20 2012 05:28 PM

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