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Thursday, June 21, 2012

US soldiers keep watch at the entrance of a military base following the shooting of Afghan civilians allegedly committed by a rogue US soldier in Kandahar province on March 11, 2012. US soldiers keep watch at the entrance of a military base following the shooting of Afghan civilians allegedly committed by a rogue US soldier in Kandahar province on March 11, 2012. (JANGIR/AFP/Getty)

Kirby Dick and Amy Ziering, director and producer of the documentary "The Invisible War," talk about their film, which looks at the problem of sexual assault in the military. They are joined by former Marine officer Ariana Klay, who is featured in the film.

Guests:

Kirby Dick, Ariana Klay and Amy Ziering

Comments [23]

deniz

Why are they fawning over the military? Are we that afraid of seeming unpatriotic when there's the slightest critique of our military?

Jun. 25 2012 03:16 PM
gary from queens

I agree with you jgarbuz. Culture, laws and circumstances do have an effect. i'm not a single cause, single explanation kind of person. i believe in multiple effects when it comes to such issues.

Sociology, religion, culture, and circumstance all play a role.

A former female IDF combat soldier and medic joined my organization. i will send her this link and see if she comments on this matter.

Jun. 21 2012 12:33 PM
The Truth from Becky

That anyone is getting assaulted in the military is a crying shame!

J Buzz - stop!

Meat - spot on!

Jun. 21 2012 12:23 PM
jgarbuz from Queens

To Gary from Queens

It depends on the culture of that society. A Jewish army like the IDF is a very different culture than most western armies.In the IDF discipline and the overall culture is very different from the US or most armies. It's a very different mentality. It is an army based on the idea of survival, not of glory or Rambo-style heroics. Hardly any marching or saluting or any of that spit and polish baloney that characterize most armies. You can talk back to officers in the IDF. Everyone does his own thing UNTIL the battle begins. Then somehow, in a very strange and inexplicable way, it just somehow comes together. Because you either win, or your country and your family dies. There is no escape and no "going home." It's just a whole different mentality hard to explain.

Jun. 21 2012 12:18 PM
sophia from Yonkers

Men are much more likely to be killed in the military and more men are sexually assaulted in the military than women. I would guess men are much less likely to report sex assaults. I'm glad one of the speakers advises women against joining the military. This would give men in the military more access to non combat positions.

Jun. 21 2012 12:15 PM

To Becky:

Lol. And men no how to ACT big when they're spewing BS in online comment sections...

Jun. 21 2012 12:13 PM
gary from queens

the military is a culture which places a premium on aggressive behavior. Women cannot compete in that environment because they do not produce as much testosterone as men, and it's that hormone which makes men more aggressive, stronger, AND inceases their sex drive.

Until medical science can do something about that, it remains a crime to inject women into this environment dominated by male aggressive behavior.

Theres a reason we have separate womens and mens tennis tournaments.

Jun. 21 2012 12:09 PM
jgarbuz from Queens

To Becky

Women are quite strong, Becky. I never met a weak woman in my life. But they sure know how to act weak when they want to.

Jun. 21 2012 12:08 PM
The Truth from Becky

True Women don't have the physical strength of a man but if this were a combat situation she could at least try to blast 'em in the head with the assault rifle, not so in your bunk or in a prisoner of war situation.

Jun. 21 2012 12:03 PM
The Truth from Becky

Wow JBuzz that was harsh...these women are victims, I THINK I know what you are trying to say, but it doesn't translate well in writing.

Jun. 21 2012 12:01 PM
Amy from Manhattan

I appreciate the filmmakers & the courage of Ms. Klay & the other military women who came forward w/their stories. I hope this film really does change the military culture & end the acceptance of rape & the persecution of rape victims.

Jun. 21 2012 12:01 PM
jgarbuz from Queens

To meatnyc

Funny,I never heard those stories when I lived in Israel and served in Haga. Over there, the women are more likely to rape the men :)

Jun. 21 2012 12:00 PM
Elle from Brooklyn

There is free speech and there is hate speech - sometimes the line is very fine.

Jun. 21 2012 12:00 PM
jgarbuz from Queens

To Elle

I'm all for turning the entire military over to the ladies, and have us men stay home to raise the kids. They can have the honor and the glory, if they can do it. And then father might have a chance to have their kids, at least until the enemy takes over.

Jun. 21 2012 11:59 AM
Sophia from Yonkers, NY

Would the film makers consider it progress if women were more likely to be killed by the enemy than to be sexually assaulted?

The anger resulting from the privileged position of women in the military (equal benefits with much less danger and no direct combat)should be addressed. Very few women are killed in combat.

Jun. 21 2012 11:58 AM

jgarbuz:

I've heard lots of male former IDF soldiers bragging about how many female IDF soldiers they've raped. (Knew them through work unfortunately - wish I wasn't their acquaintance). It's really a sad and disgusting story that never gets told.

Jun. 21 2012 11:58 AM
MichaelB from Morningside Heights

Elle, why would you want to ban someone who expresses his or her opinion? Isn't that what the idea of free speech is all about?

Jun. 21 2012 11:58 AM
Sheldon from Brooklyn

JG - That's a not s nice thing to say. You never hear about female IDF'ers getting raped because they are probably too afraid to come forward, like anywhere else.

Jun. 21 2012 11:56 AM
MichaelB from Morningside Heights

The experience of these women is horrific and there is no excuse for the behavior of the military superiors.

But let's step back and think a little.

Civilian hierarchies - for example in businesses take the same "circle the wagons" defensive postures & attitudes.

And if you think this subject is NOT related to the previous one you are mistaken. The ability to move beyond our own experiences and perceptions and biases -- to see the other side -- to be empathetic & sympathetic to someone else IS related to the ability to see someone else' politics.

Unfortunately, both are rarer qualities than we'd like to believe.

Jun. 21 2012 11:56 AM
Ted from Harlem

Why aren't these rapes reported to the police? If the guest was raped in her home, why were her assaulters tried by the military?

Jun. 21 2012 11:55 AM
Elle from Brooklyn

I don't suppose jgarbuz will ever be banned, but he really should be.

Jun. 21 2012 11:53 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

If she can't even defend her own body, how can she defend the nation? You'll never hear of a female Israeli in the IDF getting raped!

Jun. 21 2012 11:49 AM
eCAHNomics

Not meaning to be excessively heartless, just honest. When has any country treated any soldier of any gender with anything but contempt and as just cannon fodder.

Jun. 21 2012 11:49 AM

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