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David Sanger on Obama's Secret Wars

Tuesday, June 19, 2012

 David Sanger, Chief Washington Correspondent for the New York Times, discusses President Obama’s use of new tools and weapons—cyberwar against Iran, drone attacks in Pakistan, and increasing reliance on the Special Forces to hunt al-Qaeda. Sanger’s new book, Confront and Conceal: Obama's Secret Wars and Surprising Use of American Power, provides a look inside the Obama adminis­tration’s national security decisions.

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David Sanger

Comments [11]

More idiocy?

Not from Mr. jaggerbuttzz...

Jun. 19 2012 12:46 PM

Fundamentally, I have zero sympathy for the murdering fundamentalists that meet their fate at the end of the trajectory of a Drons®-launched, Sidewinder™ missile.

However, I do find the notion of extrajudicial killing (sometimes American citizens) and the killing of scores of innocent people in the process, odious and extremely disturbing.

Jun. 19 2012 12:43 PM
jgarbuz from Queens

To Hugh Samson

Nobody can bomb anyone else into liking them, but we did bomb Germany and Japan into becoming democracies and even pacifistic nations. We have to resist Islamofascism as vigorously as we ultimately resisted Fascism and Communism. Bombs may never make those on the receiving end like you, but they can sometimes force them to rethink what they are all about.

Jun. 19 2012 12:42 PM

Does anybody think that if the British had managed to kill Menachem Begin in 1948 (and Begin was a terrorist by any reasonable measure) that the Israeli drive for independence or dissatisfaction with British oppression would have lessoned? If the British had managed to kill off Washington and a dozen other 'founders' in 1776, would American dissatisfaction with British tyranny have diminished?

Why, then, would _anyone_ think that bombing Arabs and Muslims will make them _like_ the US?

Statements by the Obama administration make it perfectly clear that they understand this, yet they bomb anyway.

Jun. 19 2012 12:37 PM
jgarbuz from Queens

Sanger is another liberal apologist for the aggressors, which is hardly a new phenomenon. Hitler had his apologists when he tore up the Versailles Treaty. Stalin has his apologists for his brutal regime. Now our apologists are attacking Obama for using a very rational, moderate, common-sense tactics against a brutal enemy as well. One that poisons girls for wanting to go to school, and uses civilians and children as shields, and which never discriminated between civilians and soldiers in carrying out their brutal suicide bombings. Shame on these liberal apologists!

Jun. 19 2012 12:36 PM

BO has killed more INNOCENTS with drones than GWB.

Jun. 19 2012 12:33 PM
John A.

Deaths due to Drone warfare - in the Thousands.*
I am deeply troubled over killing without Both trial And the 'Just War' evaluations.
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* Some drone deaths do indeed fall within a Just War, but some do not.

Jun. 19 2012 12:23 PM
jgarbuz from Queens

Having worked in Israel back in the 1980s, and for a while in a company that dealt mostly in programming Programmable Logic Controllers (PLCs), i.e. little computer controllers which essentially control almost all kinds of machinery these days, from elevators to nuclear centrifuges. I fully suspect that Stuxnet and Flame are primarily Israeli concoctions, and the US probably took it and tried it out in its own nuclear facilities first.

Jun. 19 2012 12:20 PM
Amy from Manhattan

I thought Pres. Obama said that we needed to be as careful getting out of Iraq as we were careless getting in, not that we should get out as soon as possible.

Jun. 19 2012 12:15 PM
jgarbuz from Queens

I applaud the "Obama doctrine" if such exists. We should and must use our own forms of "asymmetrical warfare" against those who use their own form of "asymmetrical warfare." Though not the biggest fan of Obama for other reasons, I definitely applaud him for his deft and common-sense use of power against our sworn enemies.

And Islamofascism is a "superpower" but of a different kind. And it has a base in Iran just as Communism got its base in Russia in 1917. Many did not see any threat in Communism either, and those same people see no threat in Islamofascism today.

Jun. 19 2012 12:12 PM

David Sanger's book may be genuinely surprising for some of the details from inside the White House or details on some classified projects. But it can only be surprising for the broad strokes of Obama's war crimes abroad for those who think that we get the _news_ from the New York Times or CNN or NPR. Anyone who follows the foreign press or the alternative press in the US heard about Obama's crimes in 2009 and 2010 and on.

It was the New York Times (and CNN and NPR) that memory-holed reports on drone attacks, reports on cyber-attacks, torture, etc.

Jun. 19 2012 12:10 PM

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