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Thursday, May 10, 2012

Karen Greenberg, director of the Center on National Security at Fordham Law School, discusses the start of the Guantanamo terror trial and the revelation that a top Al-Qaeda operative was a CIA double-agent.

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Comments [11]

gary from queens

Defense attorney Cheryl Bormann, sporting a black hijab and abaya in court, audaciously requested that the prosecution's female paralegals and FBI agents dress with cultural sensitivity for enemy detainee defendants. Perhaps she was unaware that her call for respect is directed toward followers of a doctrine which commands men to beat wives who fail to meet their husbands' sexual demands, mandates gender apartheid, allows men to enslave infidel women, sanctions female genital mutilation, allows a husband coital relations with his wife up to six hours following her death, demands the stoning of women suspected of adultery, and requires four male witnesses to corroborate a woman's accusation of rape.

While it is doubtful that Ms. Bormann's shameful request will be honored, it is astonishing that it would be uttered in the first place and unconscionable that she would display such insensitivity toward members of the court and especially families of victims of the 9/11 attacks who are following the proceedings. An arraignment for terrorist activities that resulted in the mass murder of innocent Americans is certainly not the venue for catering to jihadist demands. By contrast, a captured enemy combatant in a Muslim country would be fortunate to remain alive with all limbs and vital organs intact. Due process and humane treatment wouldn't even be part of the equation. The five GITMO 9/11 plotters have been housed in a model detention center, afforded all Geneva Conventions rights without fulfilling the required qualifications of military combatants, and are being defended by both military and civilian counsel at U.S. taxpayer expense.

May. 10 2012 11:56 AM
gary from queens

The goal is NOT to "break down the individual."

The idea of detainment and interrogation is to extract intelligence on the enemies plots to kill americans.

The manner in which waterboarding was done on 3 detainees at Gitmo was humane, and not at all similar to the way it was used by Nazis, Imperial Japan, Soviets, and other despotic regimes in history. We perform waterboarding on our own troops as a training measure.

This is an example of torture:

During the preparation for the invasion of Europe, the Allies created a deception. They wanted Germany to believe that the invasion would take place on the coast of Calais and not Normany.

Winston Churchill had all known Nazi agents in Britain rounded up. He offered these spies a choice: Contact your nazi handlers and tell them the invasion will occur at Calais, or get a bullet in the head. They selected the former option, and many thousands of allied lives were saved.

May. 10 2012 11:36 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

If the Muslims in court feel that the dress of other women is immodest, they are FREE to cover their eyes or wear blindfolds. It is one thing for Muslims, Jews, Christians or whomever to request that visitors to their holy places be modestly covered but they have no right to tell others how to dress in a secular court. That's up to the judges to decide the decorum in their courtrooms.

May. 10 2012 11:25 AM
RBC from NYC

Gary from Queens: I like your statement but it has to be corrected. The defendents didn't come to the US. They were captured and brought here. The men that committed these crimes are already dead. We are know bringing to justice the people who planned the crimes and supported those that committed the crimes.

May. 10 2012 11:25 AM
rg from NYC

Is she a lawyer for the defense? The BL show is one of the fairest shows in media. Nonetheless, I'm disappointed that your speaker wasn't presented as being a partisan rather than an impartial commentator on the trial.

May. 10 2012 11:25 AM
Sheldon from Brooklyn

I don't know. Is sleep deprivation really torture? Should these guys simply get a cup of tea and biscuit?

May. 10 2012 11:24 AM
A from Brooklyn

Found the last caller referring to Karen Greenberg as "the young lady" jolting and demeaning.

May. 10 2012 11:24 AM
fuva from Harlemworld

So water boarding retrieved several important names? So are these methods fruitful or not?

May. 10 2012 11:23 AM
john from office

Brian, can we speak about what are their crimes not how they were "tortured"

Israel uses these same tactics, where is the segment on their "crimes", answer is WILL NEVER HAPPEN. How about a show on their crimes.

May. 10 2012 11:20 AM
gary from queens

Article 3 courts are reserved for "US Persons". Citizens and legal immigrants and residents. NOT EXTERNAL COMBATTENTS.

Enemies of the US in time of war have never been extended full habeus rights, let alone access to article 3 courts.

The supreme court validated military commisions for these defendants, and for the first time in US history, extended to them an avenue to appeal in Article 3 courts.

May. 10 2012 11:12 AM
gary from queens

With respect to the mockery that the defendants are making during the trial at Gitmo:

I would like to see conservatives take particular note of one aspect that seems to have escaped most commentators.

When the defendants claim that females attending the trial, dressed in ordinary and acceptable attire (in American society) is an effrontery to their religious sensibilities,

The appropriate response should be:

YOU CAME TO THE U.S. TO PLOT AND TRAIN TO KILL THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE.

APPARENTLY YOU WERE ABLE TO TOLERATE VIEWING AMERICAN FEMALES ATTIRED IN SUCH A MANNER DURING THOSE MONTHS.

THEREFORE, YOU CAN PROBABLY BEAR IT DURING THE PERIOD OF THESE TRIALS.

IF NOT, THEN YOU SHOULD HAVE CONSIDERED REMAINING IN THE CAVES OF WHATEVER SOCIETY THAT SPAWNED YOU, AND NOT COME HERE.

YOU SURE WEREN'T INVITED. COMING HERE WAS OF YOUR OWN CHOOSING.

May. 10 2012 09:41 AM

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