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Joe Hagan on George W. Bush's National Guard Record

Wednesday, April 25, 2012

Joe Hagan, contributing editor at New York Magazine, Rolling Stone and Men's Journal, talks about his exclusive investigation into President George W. Bush's Air National guard service in the latest issue of Texas Monthly.

Comments [16]

scott from soho

Wow, another waste of time segment spent trying to bash your favorite easy target. We have't heard a peep from Bush for years. I truly wish the show would focus on topics that will actually make a positive impact instead of wasting time on things that no longer matter. Your show is becoming less informative and more single minded everyday. I will continue to listen but my respect for the show is dwindling.

Apr. 25 2012 06:46 PM
John A.

Minus 4 for a comment. A new record?

Apr. 25 2012 01:08 PM

The Texas Monthly story is interesting and deserves respect, but... the Bush side won and is still winning if the discussion is on this level of detail. The net is that W. Bush had an easy assignment during the Vietnam War, perhaps helped by connections, and his performance even for the easy assignment was not strong. There may or may not have been illegalities. In contrast, John Kerry was the leader on a Swift Boat in Vietnam. Some soldiers say he saved their lives. The only thing at all debatable was rather he deserved ALL the medals that he received. Comparing the best possible Bush story with the worst possible Kerry story makes one wonder why anyone, much less any military person supported Bush.

Apr. 25 2012 12:51 PM
Ken Jacowitz from Queens

Please remember that in the middle of all the firestorm over Dan Rather being dupped, Marian Carr Knox the long time secretary to the Texas Squadron Commander, Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian, agreed that while the documents were not authentic but, "The information in them is correct,".

"We did discuss Bush's conduct and it was a problem Killian was concerned about," Mrs. Knox said. "I think he was writing the memos so there would be some record that he was aware of what was going on and what he had done." But, she said, words like "billets," which appear in the memorandums, were not standard Guard terms.

Mrs. Knox, who was the secretary for the squadron at Ellington Air Force Base from 1957 to 1979, said she recalled Mr. Bush's case and the criticism of him because his record was so unusual. Mr. Killian had her type memorandums recording the problems, she said, and he kept them in a private file under lock and key.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/15/politics/campaign/15guard.html?_r=1&ex=1095912000&en=3f67b230dff29e57&ei=5006&partner=ALTAVISTA1

I've always believed that in a preemptive strike, temtping but false documents were made. After Dan Rather was burned, who was going to touch this story ever again!

Apr. 25 2012 12:35 PM
The Truth from Becky

Bush & Cheney should be in jail right now, he knows it, that's why he has been eerily silent for the past 4 years.

Apr. 25 2012 11:53 AM
Martin Chuzzlewit from Manhattan

JIM---

I absolutely agree !! ALL presidents deserve this scrutiny...ALL presidents deserve this vetting....even if they are of the same party as ...and a darling of...the media.
It has an obligation. Or as you-know-who said...'Attention must be paid."

Apr. 25 2012 11:31 AM
Eve

Brian asks why do we still care about this issue. We still care about this issue because if W. had served in Vietnam, chances are great he would not have begun a war for nothing.

Apr. 25 2012 11:25 AM

@Martin,

Don't you find this situation just a little ironic? Dan Rather's career was destroyed for trying to investigate a sitting President. Yet you are simultaneously saying 1) that this segment is pointless and 2) that more reporters should follow in Rather's footsteps (i.e. investigate the sitting President).

You can say that Rather might have made a mistake in trusting his sources, but if you learn anything from this segment, perhaps it is that he was not as reckless as many have said.

The truth always matters. It did then, it does now, and it will after the next election. All Presidents and reporters deserve this sort of vetting.

Apr. 25 2012 11:22 AM
Truth & Beauty from Brooklyn

Maybe the issue is basic: You can't prove a negative!

If W never showed up for service, how can it be proven? It can't be. If he did show up at any time, there will be records proving that. Anything else is negative space and will forever remain a mystery.

This does, however, call into question the way our military (including National Guard) keeps records. Personnel should be hand printed and retina verified for all working shifts, both clocking in and clocking out and most work areas should have security cameras which can record who is in a given area at any time. I hate that we have to resort to such measures, but if the human tendency is towards deceit, then we must take adequate precautions.

Don't you just wish the "born again" W would come clean?

Apr. 25 2012 11:21 AM

Look at the lengths to which Hagan and others go in order to give Bush the benefit of the doubt. Contrast that with the ease with which NPR, WNYC, the Times, and the _vast majority_ of American journalists convict before any trial any and all Arabs, Muslims, or critics of American policy like Bradley Manning.

Glenn Greenwald has a piece today on the criminal obstruction of justice by form CIA official Jose Rodriguez, now abetted by the Obama administration. Little if any mainstream media attention. Government elite get a 100% pass on their wrongdoing — just as Bush is here courtesy of Hagan. And the real issue is not Bush lying about his bratty past, but his crimes in office.

Apr. 25 2012 11:20 AM
Brian from Hoboken

Agree that this is old news. This was researched thoroughly already. As was all of the stories that Martin alludes to re: Obama. Unless Martin is in the 40% of registered Republicans who still think Obama was not born in the US...

Apr. 25 2012 11:18 AM
Eve from NJ

An IBM EXECUTIVE typewriter was capable, and, in fact, DID use these fonts. I know. I used the typewriter in the early 1970s. I cannot believe that this fact was overlooked! I wrote Rather and others as the scandal took place but was ignored.

Apr. 25 2012 11:18 AM
Martin Chuzzlewit from Manhattan

Yes, I listen....LOL...Brian just talked about finding out about a president's background only after they are out of office...LOL.

Gee, a whole lot of moderate voters are going to find that they were bamboozled about Obama's past....and his whole history was an intentional cover-up.
Amazing.

Apr. 25 2012 11:16 AM
The Truth from Becky

Shhhh don't draw any attention to those horrific 8 years.

Apr. 25 2012 11:14 AM

@Martin,

Have you considered listening to segments before bashing them? Personally, I find this topic very interesting -- if only to better understand if the demise of Dan Rather's reputation was warranted.

Apr. 25 2012 11:00 AM
Martin Chuzzlewit from Manhattan

Still investigating the lost years of a former president?

Gosh, why not spend more time on the lost years of the CURRENT president (Who, did you know, is up for re-election?)....his lost years and his activities at Occidental College, at Columbia, as a community organizer, as a lawyer in Chicago representing radical activist groups, as a donor to and congregant of the very Reverend Wright and as a home loan recipient of jailed Tony Rezko. All of this potentially explosive material is carefully ignored by the media and padlocked by the Axelrod/Obama team.

I am SURE that many well-meaning centrist independent voters who support Obama out of a sense of good will would be very surprised if they knew the formation and history of his political beliefs and character...as attested to by his past actions and associations.

George Bush, indeed...you’re kidding me, right? Someone is paying you for this?
Unbelievable cowardice and silence.

Apr. 25 2012 10:47 AM

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