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Open Phones: The Secret Service in Colombia

Tuesday, April 24, 2012

Secret Service agents hold open the doors on President Barack Obama's limousine alongside Air Force One upon arrival at Paine Field in Everett, Washington, February 17, 2012. (Saul Loeb/Getty)

What bothers you about the secret service prostitution scandal from the recent summit in Colombia? The risk to the president? The prostitution itself? The reflection on the country? Call us at 212-433-9692 of post your comment here! 

Comments [76]

Marian from Bronx

1-It is this men will be men attitude that is responsible for US serviceman being despised everywhere where there are US military bases and girls and women to be exploited, raped pimped and sold. The same attitudes seep out and lead to the high number of sexual assaults on US military women.

Mainly am appalled at Brian Lehrer,and many who called in, who got caught up in all of the hullabaloo of the sex scandal rather than see it as the smokescreen preferred by the State Department. What's behind the screen? The summit itself. The fact that the countries of Latin America repudiated, at last, the Monroe Doctrine, and the US became another member of OAS, rather than its master. About time, in my opinion

Apr. 25 2012 01:39 AM
tom LI

Again to CallsEm - are you kidding? You think the things you example are unique to Obama? FAUX News is not the better alternative, not unless you love wild swings that get you hung up in the tree branches of GOP propaganda. Geesh! Wake up, Obama and Company did not invent what you accuse him of...BOTH Bushys did it, as did the GOP demi-God Reagan, and so will the next GOP Prez. (but it wont be Romney!)

Apr. 24 2012 07:00 PM
tom LI

To the Callers, Peter, etc - who use the cliched excuse that "Men are men..."

God, I despise that excuse, it detestable...! Its absurd, and excuses the behaviors of the MEN we fight in Afghanistan, etc who are just MEN being men when they abuse and commit atrocities against women, girls and even other males, after all they're just playing like boys...

Apr. 24 2012 06:51 PM
tom LI

To Calls Em...

Cute the 0 (zero) instead of the normal O. Cute - not. What is that affliction that so many of you have re; Obama, etc, where you get all giddy over these misspellings...?

Apr. 24 2012 06:41 PM
Josh from Brooklyn

What does it matter if prostitution is legal in Columbia? They were government employees sent to another nation to DO A JOB. Are these people capable of just DOING THEIR JOB? But I agree with the other posters, sadly, there is nothing "shocking" about this at all.

Is prostitution good for women or for humanity? Shouldn't we all try—at least TRY—to do better as human beings? Maybe that's a topic for another show.

It's yet another ugly reflection on this dying empire. Drone aircraft slaughter Afghani children, etc. ad nauseum
It's sickening and dehumanizing—all part of the same problem.

Of course the apologists will say: It's just boys being boys. It's the oldest profession. The women are empowered. It's the...
Save your breath.

Apr. 24 2012 11:53 AM
Calls'em from Here, today; gone tomorrow.

The big scandals were covered up by the little ones. The real scandals were Hillary's public drinking and partying and 0bama giving away tens of millions of dollars for a land redistribution program in Columbia. In Yugoslavia, the Clinton admin was involved in running brothels during the Bosnian War. There are always criminal associations associated with clandestine operations and war. What's more important is that 0bama has been giving away billions of US tax payer dollars to one non-traditional program after another while millions of Americans are unemployed and losing their homes. It is a joke that the left wing media like NPR & WNYC don't really cover these stories. In one example alone 0bama is giving billions to Brazil to do offshore drilling so that we can buy oil from them. You all should be saying WTF? But, you probably never heard this story. While 0bama unnecessarily put hundreds of thousands of people out of work for two years in the Gulf because of the dangers of off-shore drilling, he was paying the Brazilians to drill off-shore. When will you folks wake up? All you have to do is spend half the day on NPR and then move left and right to 710, 770 and 970 for a few hours to hear the rest of the story that you don't hear on 820. After a couple of weeks you will ask yourself why you aren’t getting full coverage of issues. The other stations have their biases and a few snarky personalities, but you get a fairer airing of issues, especially on FOX then you do these days on WNYC & NPR. That doesn’t mean WNYC & NPR aren’t great for news of the arts and science and for entertainment. If you listen you should contribute, but call them on not telling you the whole story. They should not be Pravda to the 0bama regime’s Stalinist era. Just saying.

Apr. 24 2012 11:03 AM

I don't have time to get worked up over Secret Service detail engaging - and sometimes not paying - hookers in Columbia, I'm still mad as ants over last week's revelation that LBJ had 'illegal' wiretap evidence that Nixon was working to scuttle the 1968 Paris Peace Talks.

Why doesn't the media cover that in more depth? Dated, I know, but catching RMN in an act of treason is newsworthy, isn't it?

Apr. 24 2012 11:01 AM
Holly from CT

The fact is, prostitution is legal in Columbia. The reason the government is not more outraged about this is that the fact that they had prostitutes is not the issue - the legal question is "Did they compromise national security." They seem very serious about investigating this.
Let their wives and loved ones worry about rather or not they were with the prostitute. The government cannot regulate morality.

Apr. 24 2012 11:01 AM
henry from Brooklyn

I'm shocked that the Secret Service doesn't have the same ethical standards of those who are West Point candidates, who are pledged to report to supervisors, a semblance of unethical behavior. One wouldn't expect anyone in such a government agency as secure as the Secret Service to be so boorish. They are a bunch of buffoons!

Their conduct violates the ethics of their personal behavior pledges to their wives and significant others when they leave them at home and go to foreign countries. Would they be ashamed to tell their wives and family about their
lust for a county's "legal" prostitutes? SHAME ON THEM AND THEIR SUPERIORS. SOME "SECRET" SERVICE. The SECRET HAS BEEN THAT AMERICANS HAVE HIRED LOW CLASS PEOPLE TO PROTECT OUR IMPORTANT AMERICANS.

Apr. 24 2012 10:57 AM
Sophia from Yonkers, NY

Let he (or she) that is without sin cast the first stone.

Apr. 24 2012 10:55 AM
Barbara Bowen from Brooklyn

The political hypocrisy in Washington is a separate matter on its own. Our officials, while working in-country or abroad, --are acting not in a private capacity, but in a public capacity. In a sense, they are "ambassadors," who represent the country and our president. Notwithstanding the serious question of a possible security breach, the behavior is offensive and damaging. They have no right to create a firestorm around moral questions that are difficult to answer --and risk tarnishing the reputation of others. Anyone is free to behave in accordance with their personal moral conscience, in private. But if guys acting for the public, indeed the presidency, can't compose themselves like men and keep their pants on while representing their country, they should be fired.

Apr. 24 2012 10:51 AM
C. Hudgins

In response to the question "Are you schocked and appaled" at this latest sex scandal I say "No".I was pleased to see that prostitution is legal which means that there is some control which should help the client as well as the escort.I don`t approve or disapprove of the practice.It is here and has always been.Control it,tax it and go on to something that effects most of us like corruption in Congress.

Apr. 24 2012 10:44 AM
John from Long Island

2 things disturb me about this story:
1) People are saying "prostitution is legal in Colombia", so the behavior is OK. Suppose they were in a country where drug use is legal? Or sex with children? Would that be OK with you, too?
2)These Marines and Secret Service agents are SUPPOSED to be the "creme de la creme" of their professions to be entrusted with the safety of our president. Where is their discipline? Are these really the best available? These men are acting like frat boys on spring break, rather than honorable men with a high-visibility and desirable postings. And as one caller asked, where are the WOMEN on this detail? I think these men should simply be sent back to their former postings. They don't have "the right stuff" to have that high-visibility, important and prestigious job.

Apr. 24 2012 10:39 AM

Men will be men? That's the excuse to be held to a lower standard or to have a lack of self control? Do what you want to do when you are not on a business trip representing our country. Go to Las Vegas on your own dime. Maybe what you do in Vegas will stay in Vegas. But I sincerely hope that you are honest with your spouse or significant other if you have one. That's REALLY being a man.

Apr. 24 2012 10:36 AM
Sophia from Yonkers

The solution is to legalize prostitution and regulate it like in parts of Nevada.
The US is generally a prudish and self righteous nation that can't understand how people who are so dedicated to their dangerous work, like Secret SErvice and military, who can't go home to a spouse every night might be better off with legalized prostitution.
Before they get on their prudish high horse, maybe they should apply for a position in the military and Secret service, make the same sacrifice and face the same danger.

Apr. 24 2012 10:36 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

Prostitution is the second oldest profession in the world, and one of the few opportunities for an attractive woman to be independent of a husband in the world years ago. Of course, that's no longer the case. But prostitution is legal in Israel and in many other countries, but procurement or "pimping" is not! Prostitution was extremely common on the US, but it was wives who campaigned against "likker and whores." Wives were the ones most upset about prostitution, for obvious reasons. But all of that is hypocrisy. Both men and women have a need for money and sex, and for some women, prostitution is a great profession. And for a handful of few men as well. Nothing in the Bible against it.

Apr. 24 2012 10:36 AM
Kevin from Teaneck

Men will be men? Men would be better if they did not contribute to the slavery, abuse, degradation of anyone, other men or women. Especially these men. They are involved in the legal system. They should be held to a higher standard and not involve themselves in activities that are illegal in most parts of this country even though it may be legal else where. I wonder how deep the public outrage be if this Agent was involved with a male escort?

Apr. 24 2012 10:35 AM
Homo Sapiens from Everywhere

on men will be men : yeah consorting with women IS one of the things I expect from myself I was programmed by a woman to chase women its called LIFE , been doing that for a 1.5 million years and the species has been pretty successful that way... I think Il keep it up... weather I am paying or not ...am not ashamed about it at all (as long as it is with respect and consent. I have testosterone levels 100 time s higher than you (if you are a female) YOU 60 ng per dl of blood ME 600 to 1200 ng per dl of blood. If YOU are pumped up with all that T it wil make you pretty randy as well. I didn't ask to have these hormone levels my mom made me this way. does not matter if I am gay or straight, human or horse, men are men. Males are Males period. I try to use my brain to smooth al these hormones out but I dont think I am any better at it then women are.... I guess people are people so lets stop trying to force them to be other wise and just emphasize appropriate time and place.

Apr. 24 2012 10:35 AM
snoop from BK

Elle, lots of folks don't have the ideal job... but that does not mean that they are abused, trafficked, or exploited.

Funny thing is, I do know a well-educated woman, working part time as a university professor, who admitted to me that she was engaging in sex work on the side to cover some expenses. Did she love it? No, but she didn't hate it. More importantly, it paid very well, and it freed her to spend more time with her child. So: She made a choice to do that, a real choice, instead of getting a second job at Starbucks or somewhere else where she would have had to work 10 (or maybe 20) times as long for similar money.

So I will restate, while some prostitutes, both women and men, are trafficked, some are not. And yes, well educated folks with options do sometimes go into the business.

Apr. 24 2012 10:34 AM
Ruth from Brooklyn

I can't say that I'm shocked or outraged. I have absolutely no respect for them but "outrage" is too personally invested as a word. They did greatly embarrass themselves as well as the President and the country. Extremely unprofessional. They brought down their profession and deserve to suffer repercussions and consequences for their actions. Perhaps, if they raped, pillaged or murdered, I would feel outraged.

Apr. 24 2012 10:30 AM
Melissa from Hoboken

It was a woman officer in the Secret Service who exposed the behavior & set about investigating it. Thank goodness. See the Washington Post, who covered Paula Reid as a "local person comes to the rescue" story -- http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/secret-service-scandal-rising-supervisor-at-heart-of-uncovering-misconduct/2012/04/21/gIQApy37XT_story.html

Apr. 24 2012 10:29 AM

I think this is the point that people aren't getting. These agents and military service members were there to protect the President. Prior to the President's arrival, they have possession of classified information that is used to prepare the President's security. If those prostitutes were agents of a rogue element and got access to that information via "servicing" those men, the President's security is in danger. Apparently some of those prostitutes may have been in areas of the hotel that were supposed to be secure. Although this incident sounds insignificant, this could've been a potential breach of national security.

Apr. 24 2012 10:28 AM
galit from Manhattan

I wonder if all these men would be saying "boys will be boys" if these boys had hired male prostitutes. I bet the Presidents safety would not be the topic of the outrage then.

Apr. 24 2012 10:27 AM
Estelle

I think the attitude "men will be men" should be offensive to men. Is that all you expect out of yourselves? Pretty pathetic.

Apr. 24 2012 10:26 AM
Greg Caulfield from New york

I was in south America , and I hire a prostate for 25 $ . And my uncale was in the service in Germany and that is go on all over army service.

Apr. 24 2012 10:26 AM
GW from Manhattan

The only people being exploited are the customers of these women who are being asked to pay $800 for companionship. Prostitutes exploit men's need for companionship and sex. There has been prostitution long before there was "human trafficking and drugs". In these countries freelance prostitutes are often holders of so called legitimate and regular employment that find and enjoy making extra money on the side ... I have had experience with them and gotten to know them well When asked why they do it informally and away from the so called "business relationship" many have confessed that they do it because they like the job and have a lot of fun. Meeting their families and visiting their homes and offices where they work in the day. The stereotype of them being exploited and forced into this is a lie that does not recognize that female sexuality and entrepreneurship CAN be as wide ranging as males can.

Apr. 24 2012 10:25 AM
Rachel from Manhattan

If these people had visited a casino or other legal entertainment would all be up in arms. As long as these people visited legal prostitutes after busines hours, I see no issue.

Apr. 24 2012 10:25 AM

Seriously, boys will be boys?? Of course all the people who are saying this are MEN. It's one thing to try and go and meet someone and have sex- where does prostitution come in!? And the human trafficking aspect is obviously the most disgusting and important point.

Apr. 24 2012 10:24 AM
tell from Englewood

I am shocked at the stupid and unchivalrous behaviour of the agent who precipitated the whole scandal by refusing to pay the agreed upon fee.

Apr. 24 2012 10:24 AM
Sheldon from Brooklyn

Well said Zachary, this has everything to do with security and professionalism. They are assigned to protect the commander in chief - who holds the nuclear codes.

Apr. 24 2012 10:23 AM
Juan from Rochelle park

I’m shocked because of the American media. Reporters love to say “Colombian Prostitutes” over and over again. News from other countries refers to the case as “the scandal with the President’s Security service”. This way of presenting the issue reflects that many issues are related to their actions.
Another issue with the media is that every time they refer to prostitutes you’ll see girls walking on the street wearing short skirts or the silhouette of girls walking at the entrance of the hotels. People that know Colombia know that women look like that everywhere and it doesn’t mean they are prostitutes. They should stop making examples that could offend the people living there.

Apr. 24 2012 10:23 AM
Merle from SoHo from SoHo

I see this as a further erosion of respect for this President, which has been fostered by the Republicans to the point where respect for the mission itself is lost.

I hear a great divide between the reactions of the men and the women to this. For the men, they're totally identified with the agents' need for fun and sex, and a "what's the big deal" attitude! I hear the women taking this more seriously.

Apr. 24 2012 10:23 AM
Sarah from Prospect heights

I'd be curious to know how many women are on these advance teams. I think more women working in such circumstances would help to avoid this kind of issue.

Apr. 24 2012 10:23 AM
Jamie Prince from Manhattan

Are they any little girls who hope to grow up to be prostitutes or whose fathers wish this for them? I doubt it. It dismays me that so many of collars seem to accept that "boys will be boys." Prostitution is a last resort for the abused, addicted and poor.

These men are employed by the tax payer, and nothing about their behavior was okay. Its not acceptable in the U.S. and its absolutely not okay for them to represent themselves overseas, even in their free time, in such a reprehensible fashion. I am no prude, but we need to raise the bar in terms of what is acceptable behavior and not send the message that your commentators are sending - honestly, is this how they would react if it was their daughter?

Apr. 24 2012 10:23 AM
Jim

Setting aside all the issues of violence in prostitution by virtue of the fact that it's illegal, how is prostitution any more coercive than typical US corporate treatment of American workers?

Apr. 24 2012 10:23 AM
Louisa Craddock from nyc

Unbelievable. Men will be men! I thought we were well past that.

Yes. I am shocked. Somehow, due to PR and Clint Eastwood, the Secret Service seemed of a higher order, top security, morally upright, etc.

Men will be men is feeble. Are we still back in cave men days.

By the way, that was the excuse for (date) rape for so long.

Apr. 24 2012 10:23 AM
Elle from Brooklyn

To "snoop from BK" - I'm going to go out on a limb here, and say that most (most, not all) educated women who have other options would not choose prostitution as a desirable career opportunity.

Apr. 24 2012 10:22 AM
Lori from BK from Brooklyn

Men will be men…if this is a legitimate excuse for uncontrollable bad behavior, why are so many of them in a seat of power?

Brute squad mentality is at the core of the world problems.

Apr. 24 2012 10:22 AM

The "dysfunctional government" meme was echoed by no less than E.J. Dionne. The GOP IS cynically attempting to impression the electorate with that message but the Democratic response to that - Wars with no financing; Invasion with no justification and a banking meltdown - the amount of dysfunction pierces the veil of GOP competence.

Military men use prostitutes, no surprise there. Bet some military women do as well.

Did they violate their own code of conduct. I doubt it.

Did they break their marriage vows? I don't know. Are they married?

I have greater outrage that another GOP filibuster has been placed before the will of the American people.

Apr. 24 2012 10:22 AM
Hal from Brooklyn

These agents certainly acted inappropriately, and were indiscreet to be sure.
The behavior compromises confidence in their service.

Having said that, not all sex work is exploitation.

Apr. 24 2012 10:22 AM
Lia Bonfilio from Brooklyn

It seems many callers are basically saying, "men will be men." That is a sad excuse. If participating in the dehumanization, exploitation and exoticisation of women is a male trait, then men everywhere should be ashamed.

Apr. 24 2012 10:22 AM
Mary from Brooklyn

I'm shocked & outraged that 4 men said "men will be men." Bummer!

Apr. 24 2012 10:22 AM
john from office

This issue is the breach of security or possible breach. Not the activity.

Apr. 24 2012 10:22 AM
manny from westchester

Hello Brian,

I am not shocked and outraged. It must be business as usual for the foreign serviceman and also business as usual for the nationals. What is not in this story is that the president travels with a small army of people, most of them have absolutely nothing to do! Even if the prostitutes aren't 'slaves' per say, they are still completely in awe of these government payrolled americans who come in 'clad in gold' so to speak.

Apr. 24 2012 10:22 AM
Scott K from Brooklyn

I've talked to someone who's been to both Afghanistan and Iraq. The real crisis is the prostitution industry we have created over there in the green zones. What he told me was that it is accepted, possibly encouraged from the highest levels, as vital to the psychological health of the soldiers. He also told me the real problem is child prostitution. It is rampant. He said it isn't covered by reporters because all the foreign bureaus receive free gifts from time to time.

Apr. 24 2012 10:21 AM
Shanti from Jersey City

The outrage is that the behavior of these men, traveling as part of the President's contingent, reflects on the President. It's disappointing to hear that while so many believe that "men will be men," (something that I think is just a way to avoid responsibility for one's actions), no one seems to believe in the need for a higher standard of behavior for people who represent the President and our country.

Apr. 24 2012 10:20 AM
snoop from BK

Yes, certainly some prostitution involves human trafficking.

But really... did the woman interviewed in the NY Times really sound like she was some trafficked, exploited, victimized woman? No. She sounded like an idiot, perhaps, but the paternalistic, knee-jerk, oh the poor victimized prostitute attitude is, at least in this case, misplaced.

More importantly, it degrades the real suffering that people who are actually trafficked do suffer.

Apr. 24 2012 10:20 AM
John A.

America's variable attitutes on just about any moral position is getting too difficult to follow. Flip a coin. This one is an outrage? I couldn't have guessed. In that it could be just party smear opportunism, sure, that is no surprise.

Apr. 24 2012 10:20 AM
the_hme from Jersey City, NJ

I am outraged that these men represented us outside the country! That is what I am disgusted about. Let them do this stuff on their own time, not during the time they are getting paid to ensure the area is secure. And then callers saying "men are men", please, that is why we have so much messed up stuff happening in this world, because of excuses like that.

Apr. 24 2012 10:20 AM
Maria from Brooklyn

Seriously? Are these callers saying that all men would engage prostitutes as soon as they leave their home? I don't mind legalizing prostitution but this stereotype of men does shock me.

Apr. 24 2012 10:19 AM
Giovanni from Manhattan

I'm just shocked these men had to resort to a hooker. Couldn't woo a woman without money huh? Isn't that the more tragic issue here?

Apr. 24 2012 10:19 AM
Chris from New York

I don't understand the hullaboo on this. They entered into mutually agreeed transacations and followed the laws of the host country. Distasteful? Yes. Illegal? No.

President Clinton had sexual relations with an INTERN. He abused his personal power to exploit his sexual desires with an employee. He violated a basic standard that would have virtually anyone working in a large organization, public or private, fired immediately and without severance pay.

If we don't hold our Presidents' accountable to these ethical standards, why should we expect his staff to meet them?

Apr. 24 2012 10:18 AM
Elle from Brooklyn

Yes, Scott Simon was absolutely right - but, again, what is surprising? Poor, uneducated, third-world women exploited by wealthy, privileged men for sex? Is there an older story in the world?

Apr. 24 2012 10:17 AM
oscar from ny

Hypocrytes...didnt even Jesus hang out with Mary Magdalene who was said to be a prostitute..

Apr. 24 2012 10:17 AM
RL from bowery

Who doesn't think that this has been going on since the days of Corlear's Hook? I'll bet my tri-corner hat that Washington's guards did the same kinda thing.

Apr. 24 2012 10:17 AM
Michelle from nyc

Secret service using prostitution? Isn't this just a big distraction... much like the Kardashians?

Apr. 24 2012 10:17 AM
Hugh

Question: Isn't the Secret Service was an arm of the Treasury Department, not military?

Apr. 24 2012 10:16 AM
Joan from Brooklyn

most danger, prostitute offers $$$$$$$$$$ to secret service to become informer.

Apr. 24 2012 10:16 AM
Kevin from Teaneck

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1DEG6BWgp0
Casablanca
Rick: How can you close me up? On what grounds?
Captain Renault: I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!
[a croupier hands Renault a pile of money]
Croupier: Your winnings, sir.
Captain Renault: [sotto voce] Oh, thank you very much.
[aloud]
Captain Renault: Everybody out at once!

Apr. 24 2012 10:16 AM
Zachary from Hoboken, NJ

Shocked at the stupidity of a Secret Service agent who would engage in a brawl with a hooker in a hotel lobby over the rate for her services. Can a man that lacking in common sense be trusted with the safety and security of our nation's leaders?

Also really aggravated by the media's decision to focus on the 'scandal' to the total exclusion of the events at the summit, including a discussion regarding the United States' failed "war on drugs".

Apr. 24 2012 10:16 AM
Elle from Brooklyn

Can you imagine how furious all of these guys, who have been getting away with this for years, are at the one nitwit who blew their cover by trying to shortchange a hardworking woman?

Apr. 24 2012 10:16 AM
Inquisigal from Brookyln

This is a non-story, and the media should stop feeding the flames. There are a lot more things we could all be shocked by if they were covered in greater depth.

Apr. 24 2012 10:15 AM
Hugh

Kennedy went American when he decided to compromise national security on his back, by gum!

And where's Eliot Spitzer! We need expert commentary. Of course, that would be true of half of Congress. David Vitter, the late Strom Thurmond, Larry Craig, pick any Kennedy you like, Bill Clinton.

And it's a bi-partisan issue! Where's the downside?

Apr. 24 2012 10:13 AM
Jean Roc from Manhattan

This is a possible security breach, and it should have never happened period. Prostitution itself is neither immoral or appropriate for agents to be involved in with while on duty.
Secret Service duty is not party duty. Daniel Zweirter's old morality statement was overboard, and i guess it is because he is too old to indulge at the moment.

Apr. 24 2012 10:13 AM
Sheldon from 'Brooklyn

I'm could care less about morality of prostitutes or the use of them. I'm shocked about the potential security risks and the lack of discipline by the secret service. Including the risk of blackmail?

What if these working girls were spies?

What if they were terrorists?

Apr. 24 2012 10:12 AM

I' embarrassed the rubes didn't understand the asking price and tried to be cheap. And afraid to come out into the hall to settle the matter!

Apr. 24 2012 10:12 AM
David from West Hempstead

Other than what seems like pretty poor security planning, I'm shocked that people think this is such a big deal.

Apr. 24 2012 10:12 AM
The Truth from Becky

Not shocked or outraged or surprised. Men and their libidos! They never learn.

Apr. 24 2012 10:11 AM
Jack from Sunnyide

I am outraged because the secret service is seen as a group that should be beyond all reproach. And as well it should be, given its elite reputation. As group that serves the office, rather than any particular politician holding office, the secret service should uphold the honor with which we view the office of the presidency. So, in part, it is a matter of perception, but that perception is very important in this case since the secret service is an apolitical group that represents American government, regardless of party.

Apr. 24 2012 10:11 AM
ME

It is it the "boys will boys" attitude that has apparently prevailed in the SecSrvc. I heard on NPR/PRI that the SecSrvc likes to employ former football players.

Great...boys who have been held on a pedestal during their high school and college years and were allowed to get away with a lot of bad behaviour ... who didn't see this coming?

Apr. 24 2012 10:10 AM
snoop from BK

People are "shocked" that a bunch of super macho dudes thousands of miles away from their families, with a lot of alcohol, hire hookers? I don't think so.

Disgusted, perhaps, but really, this is not terribly surprising.

Apr. 24 2012 10:09 AM
Missy

There's a real problem of machismo in law enforcement and our culture at large. Unhealthy attitudes about masculinity distort a man's view of himself and others. Machismo leads to hubris, paranoia (I'm thinking of George Zimmerman too), misogyny, racism, and homophobia.

Apr. 24 2012 10:08 AM
Peg

The outrage is actually with the media who did not cover the important details of the summit in Columbia as they should have. Instead they buried the summit details in the sexy, salacious, stupid behavior of the Secret Service.

Apr. 24 2012 10:08 AM
Daniel Hildreth from Greenpoint, Bk

I wouldn't say everyone is shocked...Why is this so shocking? Just because they are secret service we expect them to be of unassailable moral character? Give me a break...

Apr. 24 2012 10:08 AM
afgan irakson from brooklyn

they got caught... secret service my foot.

Apr. 24 2012 10:08 AM
Elle from Brooklyn

Outraged, maybe. But shocked? Really? C'mon!

Apr. 24 2012 10:07 AM

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