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Turmoil in Syria and a Ballot in Egypt

Wednesday, April 11, 2012

Gideon Rose, editor of Foreign Affairs Magazine and author of How Wars End: Why We Always Fight the Last Battle, explains the state of the negotiations for a ceasefire in Syria, and what we know about the presidential ballot in Egypt.

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Gideon Rose

Comments [7]

gary from queens

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Sheldon from Brooklyn
Gary - that sounds like something evangelicals and other politically connected religious folks say every day in the west. Either they are all nuts or they aren't.
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Dear Sheldon,

You apparently don't understand the differences. Evangelicals dont advocate spreading their faith through the sword. Or by use of an insurrectionist strategy to ultimately topple liberal democracy. Scripture tells Christians to leave to Caesar what is Caesar's etc. By contrast, political islam specifically calls for war on non islamic governments, or through demographic dominance. Sharia is antithetical to secular and consentual government. And THEY say that. Not me.

Evangelicals do not represent a threat to TODAY'S civil society, with large mumbers of adherents ACTING in accord with brutal and archaic ideologies. Only Muslims do.

("Large numbers", because Islamic literalism is now considered mainstream islam by most muslims in the world. Just look no further than the fact that entire nations enforce sharia, such as death sentences for apostates.)

And what is the fundementalist doctrine on treating apostates and non believers? Do non-christians live in Dhimmi (apartheid-like) status in fundementalist communities, and pay a Jiza (tax). I can trace every civil rights violation and crime against humanity perpetrated by jihadists and islamists to koranic text.

Apr. 11 2012 11:59 AM
Jim

It seems ironic to me that everyone who weighs in on the subject of war inevitability, points to Democracy as the great tool of peace. History has repeatedly demonstrated that, although democracies might be less likely to go to war, they are also the least able to limit scale and duration of the wars in which they choose to participate.

I am glad that I live in a democracy (albeit an eroding one) but I am not certain that humanity would benefit (in terms of reducing suffering and advancing civics) from the instant proliferation of new democracies around the world.

Apr. 11 2012 11:56 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

Russia and China have their own internal situations which they have to crush from time to time, such Chechnya and Tibet, and so they are less opposed to brutal suppressions than are westerners in particular. Westerners are more averse to overt brutality than are the former Communist powers.

And, of course, the Chinese and Russians have closer economic relations to the remaining brutal dictatorships than does America. They do business with countries the US doesn't want to do business in. THey want to get the business the US is spurning in the name of "human rights."

Apr. 11 2012 11:39 AM
Sheldon from Brooklyn

Gary - that sounds like something evangelicals and other politically connected religious folks say every day in the west. Either they are all nuts or they aren't.

Apr. 11 2012 11:36 AM
Martin Chuzzlewit from Manhattan

Susan Rice has become the Invisible Woman at the UN.
Why?
What kind of a grade would Rose give her after 3 years?

Apr. 11 2012 11:02 AM
George from Brooklyn

What do China and Russia see in defending Syria?

Apr. 11 2012 10:09 AM
gary from queens

Why would Obama give $1.5 billion in (borrowed) foreign aid to the next likely President of Egypt, Khairat el-Shater------considered by Obama to be a "moderate." Yet a man who had uttered these words just one year ago:

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Speaking in Arabic to like-minded Islamists rather than credulous Congress critters, Shater was emphatic that the Brotherhood’s fundamental principles and goals never change — only the tactics by which they are pursued. “You all know that our main and overall mission as Muslim Brothers is to empower God’s religion on earth, to organize our life and the lives of the people on the basis of Islam, to establish the Nahda [i.e., the ‘renaissance’ or ‘rise’] of the Ummah [the notional global Muslim nation] and its civilization on the basis of Islam, and to subjugate people to God on earth.” He went on to reaffirm the time-honored plan of the Brotherhood’s founder, Hassan al-Banna, stressing the need for both personal piety and internal organizational discipline in pursuing the goal of worldwide Islamic hegemony.
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And it gets worse. read this article and embedded links. Enemies of Israel and Western civilization, from Demascus to Dearborn Michigan (where 80% of Muslims favor imposition of Sharia law), have to be dancing in the streets right now.

April 7, 2012 4:00 A.M.
Obama Funds the Egyptian Government
A Muslim Brotherhood–controlled government gets $1.5 billion.
By Andrew C. McCarthy
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/295501/obama-funds-egyptian-government-andrew-c-mccarthy

Apr. 11 2012 10:02 AM

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