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The NYPD Tapes: New Internal Report

Friday, March 09, 2012

Graham Rayman, staff writer for the Village Voice, discusses a report from the NYPD on allegations made by whistle-blower Adrian Schoolcraft, and what the internal investigation found about practices at one NYPD precinct. 

Guests:

Graham Rayman

Comments [21]

thatgirl from manhattan

amy - it's rigamorole because: the NYPD is still living in the early 20th century--everything's written down--not typed, and certainly no digital trail to a report; victims have to pursue the police for a report number after the fact, with nothing in-hand to prove a report was written. plus, there's the pain and agony of writing complete sentences, spelling correctly and other "messy" aspects to the job. my former precinct still employs typewriters (although the cop who took my report wrote everything longhand).

Mar. 09 2012 01:46 PM
Amy from Manhattan

Jeff, your cell phone co. should be able to provide another copy of that bill. Of course, the detective should have told you beforehand not to leave evidence w/the police. Why would he expect you to know not to do that?

Mar. 09 2012 11:34 AM
Michael Casey from Queens county

Mike from NYC

In 1970, the NYC police PBA vehemently objected to police quoters of parking summons and other activity because it may influence the P.O.s to perform outside their limits of the law. So has the PBA come home to roost?

Mar. 09 2012 11:16 AM

Last year I offered to give a friend a ride home after an event at 12th st. & 5th Ave. NYC.
I found my car had been broken into. My door lock was destroyed and electronics stolen.
I didn’t have time to wait for police to take a report so I dropped her at her place & returned to Long Island.
When I tried to report the crime, the NYC Police told me I would need to drive an hour to Manhattan, park in the same space, and call the police, so I could wait an hour for a policeman to come & take my report.

Mar. 09 2012 11:15 AM
thatgirl from manhattan

in 2007, i was bumper-butted by a contractor in a pickkup truck from NJ, coming up the ramp from 125th street to southbound west side highway. the driver continued to alternately chase me southbound at high speeds, and ride up alongside me, trying to run me off the road. once he was behind me, and i could pick up some speed, trying to escape, i managed to read his license plate backwards, calling 911 for help. 911 personnel told me that the only way the police could help me is if i pulled over to the side of the road--clearly they don't know the west side highway. they remained on the phone with me as this madman started throwing metal plumber's tools at my car, to the amazement of drivers around us. when i finally lost him via a school bus, 911 dispatcher told me to report the crime to my local precinct in harlem, never taking my information from me.

i went there later that day to report it. the desk captain asked me why i was bothering to report something that already happened earlier, and when i insisted he take a report, he found a lackey to do it. said lackey took the report, but used a dictionary throughout to check his spelling, and asked me for synonyms for certain words. he told me that he wasn't sure what they could do about this, but if i had the perp's license plate number, i had all i need to "make his life hell." i told him i wanted this to be processed through NYS courts.

imagine my surprise when, in subsequent days, i called for a report number, as instructed, and discovered that not only my precinct "may have sent the report to another precinct," but that no one in that precinct could find the report. so i was out a cracked car window, battered car body, and any proof this nutjob threatened my life.

between this and other, stellar indignities i'd witnessed at the hands of the NYPD, i have never trusted them to do what is right or fair since.

Mar. 09 2012 11:06 AM
Sheldon from Brooklyn

Ha ha - If 3 young criminals corner Martin, punches him in his face, breaks his nose, steal his ipod and the NYPD ignores his complaints so they can keep crime stats low - don't worry, according to him and the NY Post, you're a left wing looney for not supporting the cops. Cause "they're keepin us safe"

Mar. 09 2012 11:06 AM
D in BK from Williamsburg, BK

I've been mugged twice in Williamsburg since 2005. The first time the cops drove me around looking for the guy. They didn't take a statement or do any paperwork or notes.
They told me that, "Tomorrow you should go to XX precinct." That turned out to be the wrong precinct and so when I got there and told them what had happened they told me it was the wrong precinct and that I should go somewhere else.
The second time I got mugged was worse because there was a significant amount of physical violence. The police car showed up relatively quickly, barely missing the perps driving away. When I described the car and pointed down the road they had fled and asked the cops why they weren't going after them they said, "We'll never catch them."
I pursued that case a little more aggressively and went to the correct precinct a few times (now that I know where it is). There was a detective assigned to the case, a tough looking little guy. Eventually he admitted that he had thought that they'd found them but that there wasn't anything that they could do.
You have to have a construction crane fall on you before anything happens.

Mar. 09 2012 11:04 AM
Jeff Pappas from Dumbo

The good ol boys at the 81
When I got a cell phone bill for 3500 $ and was able to get a copy ( Some one stole my identity )
I made a police report, after calling the secret service, to the 81, I asked if they could make a copy they said copier broke, so I left it with police report, only to get a call back from the Det a few days later asking if I had any evidence... I told him I left it with report, he said "NEVER LEAVE ANY EVIDENCE WITH THE POLICE ! "
END OF STORY The other maddening thing was that the cell phone Co couldnt tell me anything about who started this fraud, I didnt have to pay.

Mar. 09 2012 11:03 AM
h

Wnyc, now this is coverage i'd rather hear about. why don't you report more on thi topic instead of your constant geraldo-like coverage on the 'sex' trial, ravi/clement?

Mar. 09 2012 11:00 AM
Advocate

Can you guys bring some context to the day to day for these guys? These officers are getting preseed from both sides. They are just pawans in the beauracracy ofr city governemt and all they want to do is thier job and feed thier families while feeling good making a difference at the same time. But working in city government makes this difficult if not impossible to do. From up top they get pressed to meet performance mettrics, highly criticized and from the other side the have the public need for perfection an no error from its public servants, wanting them always to be there an never fail. Its a tough job. Anyone comllanineg should think first about what its like to work and be a police officer. This issue is is culture of city govenremtn and beauracracy which alienates its front line personell like poiice, fire, and ems and treat them like expendables. Please balance the report with the expereince and life within the department for a police officer.

Mar. 09 2012 10:57 AM
Martin from tuckahoe, ny

Isn't it a conflict of interest that the commissioner would order this report considering he was certainly raised trained in this environment of numbers. Also, if the sergeants and lieutenants are asking for numbers wouldn't it stand to reason that in a rank system so are captains and further up the line to the commissioner?

Mar. 09 2012 10:57 AM
Amy from Manhattan

But why is it a "rigmarole" for cops to send the crime report to their superiors? What's actually involved in doing this, & does the bureaucracy make it harder to do than it needs to be?

Mar. 09 2012 10:57 AM
Bob from Westchester, NY

@ Martin Chuzzlewit: Again you post your "response" to a segment more than an hour before it airs -- don't you realize that we can all tell?

Mar. 09 2012 10:56 AM
lee

I don't see what the problem is with this. What job doesn't require you to meet certain goals and numbers? Doesn't the BLS cover certain topics more than others because more people will listen? I was an ADA in one of the cities DA's offices and we all needed to make certain numbers. It isn't just the NYPDs a waste of time it's the DA's office waste of time too. How can anyone prosecute a case if there are no witnesses?

Mar. 09 2012 10:56 AM
Leo from Queens

in 2003 I went to my precint to report a crime of fraud when a fraudulent document was recorded against my property which prevented me from refinancing and which would have prevented me from selling my property had I wanted to. They refused to take the report and told me to hire a lawyer. I had to go to the Queens DA and in fact took me 3 years to resolve ONLY AFTER I filed complaints against the attorneys involved in filing the fraudulent documents.

Mar. 09 2012 10:55 AM
anonymous from Brooklyn

This is happening in Greenpoint. My friend was robbed one night, and he has been in contact with his local precinct for months over this. His detective constantly drops off the face of the earth, and he has tried to get my friend to press charges as a misdemeanor as opposed to a felony. Meanwhile, my friend has done all his homework. He has a name, he has an address, and he has footage from a local bar. Yet nothing is being done. The whole thing infuriates me, and it makes me want to leave the neighborhood.

Mar. 09 2012 10:54 AM
Leo from queens

The reason for the pressure to increase 'productivity' in reporting minor crimes is that there is a REVENUE component. THis is not being discussed, but the problem is that EVERY AGENCY, with the exception of the Fire Dept., has become a profit center. There is pressure for each agency to produce a certain amount of revenue.

The mayor and city officials are collecting more taxes by criminalizing most activities.

Mar. 09 2012 10:52 AM
lj

How much more blatant criminality in the NYPD will it take to hold Kelly responisble? The fish rots from the head down.

Mar. 09 2012 10:51 AM
Sheldon from Brooklyn

Yes, Quoting for from the pathetic fish-wrapper, the New York Post.

Some people think the NYPD should be above the law "to keep us safe." Thank God most sane people think differently

Mar. 09 2012 10:48 AM
Jane from Brooklyn

This is straight from 'The Wire'...

Mar. 09 2012 10:47 AM
Martin Chuzzlewit from Manhattan

Well, Brian, here you go again. The Post wasn’t exaggerating and we didn’t need to wait very long for another example!!!!!!!

New York Post-Feb 29, 2012 - Editorial

“YOUR WNYC DOLLARS AT WORK”

“They were raising money yesterday at WNYC, the city’s public-radio outlet, when suddenly someone told the truth.
What do listeners get for their donation dollars, asked the on-air pitchman, WNYC reporter and senior producer Collin Campbell?

“We pay for WNYC reporters, like Arun Venugopal, who go after the NYPD . . .”

Say what? Hasn’t the department been catching enough grief lately for doing its best to keep New York safe without the city’s flagship public-radio station adding cop-bashing to its tin-cup repertoire?
Station publicity director Jennifer Houlihan said yesterday that Campbell “used language that we don’t feel is accurate” — though the words slipped so easily off the pitchman’s lips it’s clear that he thought they were spot-on.
Certainly they betray the lefty sensibilities that have long animated public broadcasting — especially its news programming.
Anyone who doubts it can just give a listen — or ask Juan Williams, who was summarily fired by NPR after falling afoul of its über-liberal canon.”

Mar. 09 2012 09:12 AM

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