Doubts Expressed On Train to Proposed Convention Center

Sunday, January 08, 2012


Transit advocates are expressing doubt over the capacity to run an express subway train from midtown Manhattan to a proposed new convention center in Queens.  Governor Andrew Cuomo signed a non-binding agreement last week to build the world's largest convention center at Aqueduct Racetrack, but details about how conventioneers would get to and from Manhattan are sketchy.

Even though Governor Cuomo just proposed the plan, he's already signed a non-binding agreement with a potential developer, Genting Americas. That's raising questions about just how the plan to develop the site would work, including transportation options.

In a brief statement issued Thursday, Genting said it and the "state would work alongside the MTA to help fund and introduce uninterrupted subway service between Midtown Manhattan" and the convention site.

But the MTA is already struggling to provide service, and has a multi-billion dollar hole in its capital construction plan. 

Governor Cuomo also recently cut the payroll mobility tax, which pays for MTA operations, though he said he will replace those funds.

One idea bandied about was that the MTA would run express trains along the A line. But that idea was tried once before — in the now-defunct "Plane to the Train."  That idea was much criticized for trains with low ridership that whisked past waiting straphangers on the local platforms.

"If one of their ideas is to create a convention express modeled after the JFK airport express, that's going to be much harder to do than it was in the 1970's and '80's," the Straphangers' Campaign's Gene Russianoff said. 

Russianoff noted that many neighborhoods along the A and C lines — including Fort Greene, Clinton Hill, and Bedford-Stuyvesant — have undergone rapid growth in recent years.

But Bob Yaro, president of the Regional Plan Association, which is backing the convention plan, thought adding express trains might be possible.

Yaro also said the air train to JFK could be extended to Aqueduct, or the LIRR Rockaway Beach line could be brought back to life. Both plans would cost considerably more.

A spokesman for the MTA, Jeremy Soffin,  issued a statement saying:

"Though we haven’t seen any proposals, we look forward to working with all involved to discuss ways to improve transit access to the site within fiscal and operating constraints.”



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You could modify the schedules as necessary like The MTA already does for sporting events when tens of thousands of people flood the trains before and after events and games at Madison Sq Garden, Yankee Stadium, Citi Field, USTA, etc. They'll do the same for the new Nets Arena at Atlantic Terminal.

It could look something like this:
Send the C train out to Lefferts Blvd and the A to Rockaways only during rush hrs. During off peak cut the C back to Euclid and/or run more A express from 145th St lower level to Rockaways.

Jan. 09 2012 09:13 PM

It's not the length of the ride but the length of the wait that's a problem when taking the A-train to and from the airport or the Rockaways. There's too much uncertainty, which is really stressful, and too many long waits, which are maddening.

Running more A-trains to and from Far Rockaway would be a much better solution and would help everyone along the entire route.

Jan. 09 2012 06:33 PM

I don't expect Mr. Yaro is in a position to criticize the plan. They may, however (only maybe of course) be in a position to boost the project. Or any old large scale project:

Jan. 09 2012 01:55 PM

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