Taxi Deal

Thursday, December 22, 2011

WNYC reporter Kathleen Horan explains the governor-brokered deal to allow livery cabs to pick up street hails, increase medallions and make cabs more accessible to the disabled. Ken Lovett, Albany bureau chief of The Daily News, talks about the impact the taxi deal might have on future city-state negotiations. 


Kathleen Horan and Ken Lovett

Comments [28]


Thank you, John , for your comment. Yellow cabs honk all the time. If you're a walker in the city you know!

Dec. 22 2011 10:31 AM
John from manhattan

YES, yellow cabs honk while I try to cross street.

Every one.

Don't you hear them?

Dec. 22 2011 10:26 AM

has anyone thought about randomizing the shift change for cabs? you cannot get a cab for an hour before the shift change hour. Nor can you get one when the drivers go to pray.

Cab drivers drive around with the off duty sign on while cruising for fares.

You frequently cannot see their hack license.

Enforcement needs to be enhanced.

Dec. 22 2011 10:25 AM
eileen swerdlick from ct

As an African american female who has many stories of non pick ups by yellow cabs,
i want livery cabs to have al advantages possible to take me home on a rainy night in the city.
let's see if this levels the playing field a bit.

Dec. 22 2011 10:25 AM
lmf from nyc

I contacted Nissan who is designing the entire taxi fleet for nyc and was given answers to my questions

Answers to question about accessibility and other issues:
1. Taxis will NOT have a ramp for wheelchairs: taxi commission did not require it
2. What will the MPG be: they will not know until Oct.
All gasoline right now; testing all electric now, will have 6 in 2012, with charging stations
3. What will be the height off ground: she did not know but said she will get it.
4. Does it have a grab bar: has one
5. Does it have a Running board/easy step? Yes, but just at the door
6. Why isn't the sliding door electronic operated by passengers? Nissan has a door developed with aerodynamics for people with mobility issues but it is not electric.

Nissan said: this Taxi is part of Taxi of tomorrow program:

Dec. 22 2011 10:24 AM
sara from Flatbush, BK

What about the dollar vans of Flatbush Ave in Brooklyn? They run on street hails.

Dec. 22 2011 10:24 AM
MichaelB from Morningside Heights

And what about service to and from the airports? The livery drivers have ripped off people for decades.

Dec. 22 2011 10:23 AM
Amy from Manhattan

How long is it likely to take to get all the handicapped-accessible cars into service? I know some people who use Access-A-Ride & complain about how long it takes for the cars to show up. How soon would this deal actually help them?

Dec. 22 2011 10:22 AM
Joe Corrao

no lic. necc. people should be able to act as a taxi whenever someone wants to negotiate a ride

Dec. 22 2011 10:20 AM
Robert from NYC

It's all baloney. All cabs should be able to pick up fares where ever they are and whatever "kind" of taxi they are. The whole thing is just ridiculous and just another hindrance to provide services to travelers and for what! For what reason? That's right my mom lives in Bronx and the liveries drive up and down beeping horns and I'm glad they do and they should be allowed to. After all they are the ONLY cabs in the Bronx. When mom wants to go home from my place in E Village she has problems getting a yellow cab to take her. They're not supposed to refuse but the do and get away with it. It's all baloney.

Dec. 22 2011 10:20 AM
MichaelB from Morningside Heights

Helen, you also raise a good point. The livery drivers (what yellow cab drivers used to call "gypsy drivers") are not nearly regulated as the yellow cabs. You have no idea about insurance, whether the driver has a valid license -- there is no driver's name and license displayed -- and you don't have a meter to ensure a known and fair fare.

Dec. 22 2011 10:19 AM
carolita from NYC

More regulations and logging of the livery cabs can only be a good thing. Personally I avoid livery cabs because I think it's all too easy to just own a black car and put a sticker on the back window and impersonate one. Who knows who may be driving one? A serial killer, a guy without a license to even drive...? At least a yellow cab operating illegally can be spotted eventually. Livery cabs, on the other hand, if they're picking up hails illegally, they can't possibly even be monitored, can they?

Dec. 22 2011 10:19 AM
Catherine from Brooklyn

I think the livery drivers are opposed because they will have to pay taxes on fares if there's a card reader in every car. Black cars take street hails all the time, everywhere in the outer boros. If they pay taxes on all (or ANY) of that income, I'd be amazed.

Dec. 22 2011 10:18 AM
Susan from nyc

This was Bloomberg's justification for not having accessible taxis:

Bloomberg stated that “it’s too dangerous” for wheelchair users to hail a cab in NYC and that most drivers would “pretend they didn’t see them”. He also said wheelchair users “sit too far from the driver to establish a dialogue” and therefore “they would not tip well”.

This mayor is beneath contempt.

Dec. 22 2011 10:18 AM
David A. from West Hempstead

This seems like a solution in search of a problem.

Dec. 22 2011 10:17 AM
Larry from Williamsburg

I hope this means that the livery cabs will stop honking their horns at people on the sidewalk in their attempts to get riders. Ugh.

Dec. 22 2011 10:15 AM
MichaelB from Morningside Heights

Livery drivers have been picking up street hails for decades with impunity. My father drove a hack for years, so I know what I am speaking about. All the independent taxi owners complained about the double standard of enforcement -- the complete ignoring of the rules by the police and the TLC, whilst the yellow cab owners had to pay thousands or even hundred of thousands of dollars for their medallions, plus all the extra requirements (know what it costs for a meter?) and insurance, and being duly licensed all around.

It's been totally unfair for decades.

Dec. 22 2011 10:15 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

This is nothing new. Whenever there is a recession and high unemployment, the city looks the other way, to allow some to make a few bucks illegally picking up people. But it does hurt the legitimate taxi business, who've invested heavily in their medallions, cars and infrastructure, and it makes it tougher on them. SO it is always a balancing act.

Dec. 22 2011 10:15 AM
Sheldon from Brooklyn

Well Helen - that's the supposedly whole point of making then "legal"

Dec. 22 2011 10:15 AM
fuva from Harlemworld

It just got more expensive to drive a gypsy cab in the hood, that's all.

Dec. 22 2011 10:14 AM
Helen from manhattan

I heard the yellow-cabs now want to raise fares? Is this true? Why would they need to be paid more? Also I don't see how any of this changes anything, livery cars are hailed all the time where I live. I don't like to ride in them unless I call in advance because if you hail one you have no idea who is driving it. At least with yellow cabs, you have some sort of recourse if they scam you. You also know that they are insured. With livery cars its just like getting into a random strangers vehicle.

Dec. 22 2011 10:12 AM
Sherman Parking

@Mark The livery cabs are not allowed to legally pick up street hails, they are by call only

Dec. 22 2011 10:12 AM

Andrew Cuomo -- another Democrat trying to play Republican. And yet again, New York City has reason to secede from New York State.

Dec. 22 2011 10:11 AM
sheldon from Brooklyn

Bloomberg could care less about improving service to the outer boros. He saw 1 billion in medallion revenue and his eyes lit up like a child before Christmas.

Dec. 22 2011 10:10 AM

If health care is in the deal, here's some history to consider. Empire BlueCross/BlueShield was public and frequently got some of the best marks in the state for health insurance. Then it was privatized -- handed off to robber insurer Angela Braly's WellPoint. Today, Empire routinely gets some of the _worst_ marks among New York State health insurers.

Dec. 22 2011 10:07 AM
Janet Fisher from NYC

Not everyone can afford or wishes to use taxi service.

1) How will these livery services be policed to make certain these independents are properly insured?

2) There are rogue drivers in outer boroughs who pose as livery cabs, but in fact are private cars looking to earn extra dollars, etc. How will these be reigned in?

3)What is the MTA doing about upgrading bus and subway service around the outer boroughs?)

Dec. 22 2011 10:01 AM
mark in manhattan from Manhattan

What I don't understand is when they say "allow livery cabs to pick up street hails." I live in Washington Heights (which is not an outer borough, but many people think it is), and there are very rarely yellow cabs. But there are numberous livery cabs picking up street hails all the time. You can see four or five drive by in less than a minute's time. So what changes due to this new deal?

Dec. 22 2011 10:01 AM
Jorge from nyc

Ain't no profits in Non-profit, just big easy salaries.

Dec. 22 2011 10:01 AM

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