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David Sanger on Iran, North Korea

Wednesday, December 21, 2011

David Sanger, chief Washington correspondent for The New York Times and a contributor to WNYC, discusses the latest in US nuclear diplomacy, from Iran to North Korea.

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David Sanger

Comments [23]

jgarbuz from Queens

That's right, Freddie, it has always been about oil from the US perspective, and that is why the US first began to aid Israel when the Soviet Union threatened ME oil supplies, and why the US gave Israel so much conventional arms, so that it could defend itself without using its nukes that could destroy oil fields and raise oil prices through the roof. The US didn't support Israel because of its love of Zion. As Sharon once said, "The Arabs may have the oil, but we have the matches." So the US approach to Israel has always been with its main eye on keeping the oil flowing and cheap for suburban America. It was never about protecting Israel. Israel will protect itself, one way or another.

Dec. 21 2011 11:12 AM
Freddy from LES

" Iran is not all about Israel too."

No it's about oil. I just don't understand why we as US citizens should give a rat's ass what Israel does or doesn't do.

It is none of our business. 80% of Americans could not find Israel on a map. And if actually polled 99% would not be for ANY kind of aid or military intervention.

This is disgusting.

Dec. 21 2011 11:00 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

To Joe

Better to kill then be killed, I always say. Enough of my family was murdered already, so I don't see why Israel is holding back from smiting an avowed enemy who OPENLY swears to eliminate Israel from the map. But it's not only Israel, but just as with Hitler, it wasn't only the Jews. Many people didn't understand that until Paris was occupied and London came under the Blitz. Then they finally realized that Hitler was not only about the Jews, and we will learn that Iran is not all about Israel too.

Dec. 21 2011 10:54 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

to hjs

Of COURSE I am a supporter of renewables! And Israel was a pioneer in Solar energy development, and indeed Luz, which later became BrightSource, has build huge solar plants in California and elsewhere. So Israel's strategy to undermine ARab oil is an old one, but the Texas oil elite in the US still controls the Republican party, and tries to hamper renewables as much as it can. But eventually, renewables are the only hope, but unfortunately a few decades down the line.
Israeli companies like Better Place have been pushing the electric car agenda for years, until it just recently caught on a bit.

Dec. 21 2011 10:50 AM
Joe Corrao

@jgarbuz
so we kill people so oil prices stay low?
Israel should be able to make their own decisions as far as national safety.

Dec. 21 2011 10:48 AM

jgarbuz
does that mean u support alternatives to oil, such as renewable sources

Dec. 21 2011 10:42 AM
Kathleen Sullivan from 11215

Any country acquiring nuclear weapons increases our human ability to destroy all life on earth. We seem to have lost the urgency to abolish nuclear weapons, in every country. Recent research from the University of Colorado in Boulder demonstrates that a 'regional exchange' of nuclear weapons (say Iran and Israel) would produce smoke and particulate matter that would hang out in the stratosphere, obscuring sun rays and radically altering the global climate. Speaking of the odd nuclear weapon exploding without earth-wide ramification misses the point. Once even one nuclear weapon hits its target, the no-use taboo would be broken and our world would be well on its way out. All intelligent life forms, all music and art, Bach's Mass in C Minor, bagels and schmears, our grandchildren, the forests and trees, monarch butterflies, fresh lime juice, fresh cut flowers, the entire cannon of literature, every thing we love — gone!

See http://www.nucleardarkness.org/index2.php

Dec. 21 2011 10:42 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

To Joe

To a child of Holocaust survivors, saving ISrael and helping America too is not "for nothing." If you think Iran's getting a bomb will mean "nothing" when it comes to America, you are wrong. It will mean a lot. Because oil is already $100 bbl, and when Iran gets the bomb, they'll get it up to $200 and $300 soon enough. They've said they want to bring America down by bringing oil prices UP. That is their goal, to gain control of oil prices without anyone being able to stop them.

Dec. 21 2011 10:38 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

To Ally

The Israelis took out a nuclear reactor that the North Koreans were building for Syria in 2007, and took out the Iraqi reactor in 1981. The North Koreans have proliferated plenty already, as have the Pakistanis. Israel has done more than its shore to hold back proliferation than anyone.

Dec. 21 2011 10:35 AM
Joe Corrao

@jgarbuz
Great...hope you are concerned with needless slaughter and putting them in harms way for nothing

Dec. 21 2011 10:34 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

My biological kid already served in the US navy, and my Israeli step kid fought in the Lebanese war.

Dec. 21 2011 10:31 AM
Joe Corrao

@jgarbuz
if you got kids suit them up and get them ready for war...Iran is not Pre WW2 Germany

Dec. 21 2011 10:29 AM
Ally

Wait, really? North Korea's security is so great that we didn't know about Kim Jong Il's death, but we're worried about a nuclear weapon in North Korea accidentally slipping into the hands of terrorists?

Dec. 21 2011 10:28 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

If Iran breaks the NPT, then so will Taiwan, South Korea, Japan, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and many others. And when Iran gets the bomb, it will control the oil prices in the world, and Saudi Arabia will have to go along with Iran, and oil prices here will go through the roof.

Dec. 21 2011 10:28 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

When Jews were warning about the rise of Hitler during the Depression, the world mostly dismissed it as a problem between Hitler and the Jews ,and so why should anyone else be concerned?

Dec. 21 2011 10:25 AM

Have we learned a new way to fight “war” post-libya?

Dec. 21 2011 10:23 AM

Brian, it's disappointing that you too are participating in the fear mongering. I expect more from independent public radio. I guess it's time to tune into WBAI.

Dec. 21 2011 10:23 AM
tom

Oh yeah, those inspectors have old data. We at the New York Times have special information right from the White House.

We forget our past so quickly.

Dec. 21 2011 10:19 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

So what is Sanger telling us that we all don't already know? The only way the Iranian bomb can be stopped is if Israel drops 100 of its own on it tonight. Otherwise, short of a nuclear attack on Iran, if they want to go all the way to a bomb, they will.

Dec. 21 2011 10:18 AM
Joe Corrao

War drums are beating...we'll attack Iran just in time for the 2012 elections

Dec. 21 2011 10:16 AM
Fred from Jersey Shore

Brian as much as your station pretends to stay out of this bias you guys are giving these people a platform for propaganda.

It is egregious.

Dec. 21 2011 10:16 AM
Sarah from UWS

Brian it is TERRIFYING your guest is beating the drum to war with Iran. It's bad enough the NYTimes led us into Iraq with false journalism.

My question is why do we need to listen to a paper that has already led us through a war that just ended.

Isn't is true a nuclear weapon from Iran could not hit the US? It is physically impossible.

Dec. 21 2011 10:15 AM
Chris from Queens

With this talk of war and bombs, let's not forget: OUR GOVERNMENT AND OUR MEDIA HAVE LIED TO US BEFORE! DO NOT REPEAT IRAQ!!

Dec. 21 2011 10:15 AM

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