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Analyzing Palestinian Media

Friday, December 09, 2011

Itamar Marcus, Israeli political activist, founder and director of Palestinian Media Watch, and co-author of the new book Deception: Betraying the Peace Process, discusses his book cataloguing and analyzing Palestinian-Authority controlled media.

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Comments [41]

GH from NY

Itamar Marcus needs to be heard loud and clear. Until the Palestinian people and their corrupt and mendacious leaders stop this evil campaign of blaming Israel for every possible problem, there can never be any hope for any type of agreement. It is simply scapegoating. The enormous amounts of aid sent by the West has gone into weapons, explosives and "buying" children to use as false martyrs. The "peace activists" supply weapons and more hatred and the problems become even more intractable.

Dec. 12 2011 10:51 PM
Anne from NYC

Thank you for this informative and honest segment with Itamar Marcus. Hamas. Fatah, and the Palestinians are the darlings of the "liberal" media, and it is time that the truth about their hate mongering was better known. It is absurd that every single problem effecting the Palestinians (and all other Arabs and Muslims)should be blamed on Israel; the truth of the brutality, dishonesty, corruption and authoritarian philosophy of the PA needs to be exposed.

Dec. 12 2011 10:37 PM
Adam Weiss from New Jersey

Shame on you Brian, I'm a fan of yours, but this was one of the most bias segments you've had. Why should the oppressed love their oppressors? It is no surprise that that young girl lauds Hitler.
Look at what happens to the Palestinians stories like this are far too common:
mondoweiss.net/2011/12/mustafa-tamimi-had-died.html

You want to talk about biased media? Why is it that this will never make the news? Why will there be no accountability for what this animal Israeli soldier has done?

Dec. 10 2011 06:31 PM
EIO

https://sites.google.com/site/isaacandishmaelarefamily/home/december-2011-harpers-magazine-article

Dec. 10 2011 03:51 AM
Joe Richards from Detroit

Would Brian please explain why every Palestinian terrorist abomination can be justified or at least understood because of Israel home building in "settlements"? Yes it is conventional wisdom that the settlements are illegal, but conventional wisdom is so often wrong as to be unreliable. Under international law, the Israeli claim to the West Bank is stronger that any else's, flowing out of the UN and its predessor, League of Nations, while the Palestinian Arabs forfeited their claims with their attempted genocide of Israelis in the 1948 war,
Under what international law does building homes on contested land deserve summary judgement and the death penalty? The answer to the Palestinians and their allies - it is common knowledge that most Arabs believe that all of Israel is illegitimate . . .

Dec. 09 2011 11:23 PM
Bob Jackson from New York

What is it about the Brian Lehrer show that its fans are so full of hate for Israel and yet so ill informed?

Could it be true that a mere 6 million Jews in the tiny spec of a state the size of New Jersey are really oppressing 350 million Arabs and 1.3 billion Muslims? Or could the old blood libel be back in different clothes, brilliantly orchestrated by the Jew haters and their accomplices, using the Palestinian "victims" as today's stick with with to beat the Jews? .

Israeli occupation - of Palestinian land? No Way! It was Jordan's attack and defeat in 1967 that forced Israel to administer the area which Jordan had occupied from 1949 to 1967 and which they called the West Bank. There was never a Palestine there and before Israel was born in 1948, most people who called themselves Palestinians were in fact Jews not Arabs. Jordan was told by the UN in resolutions 242 and 343 to give Israel peace in exchange for the West Bank - never did it, wouldn't go there. Brian needs to teach his listeners some history.

Settlements? Why shouldn't 300,000 Jews live in the disputed territory of the West Bank if 1.2 million Arabs live in Israel? And President Abbas has pledged to make a Palestinian State Judenrein, just like Gaza - sounds racist to me.

The only posting that dealt with the today's segment was a woman who complained that Brian whitewashed Palestinian government endorsement of the Holocaust via a 10th grader's essay, by pointing to Israeli officials vowing to continue building settlement homes at the funeral of Israeli victims of a Palestinian massacre.
Here we have it - Brian adopting the Palestinian terror justifying narrative, by equating Israeli building with murder.
Shame!

The Bible = Wizard of Oz? But for those who still believe in science there is extensive archeological evidence of an approximately 3000 year old continuous Jewish presence in Israel. Even Jesus, 1000 years later, was an observant Jew.

Dec. 09 2011 06:13 PM
Laila from New York

This is just one more sorry example of this show's tendency to disseminate and promote Israeli propaganda. What Mr. Marcus calls "Palestinian incitement" is simply the truth, albeit the tip of the iceberg, of what has been going on. We just need to go to a NY grocery store to see "Israeli" Hummus or "Israeli" Couscous on sale. And yes, El Al stewardesses did expropriate Palestinian traditional dress.
Israel has for over sixty years tried actively to obliterate and appropriate to itself Palestinian culture in all its aspects, adopting Palestinian foods as their own, seizing their lands, ethnic cleansing, continued construction of settlements (colonies), etc. on what is left of Palestinians' land. And to compare the killing of one settler family by one, probably demented Palestinian with the daily, yes daily, killings by Israeli soldiers and settlers of Palestinian civilians is disingenuous, if it were not so tragic. And yes, Palestinian children are being incited, but it is by experiencing the Israeli occupation in action, with daily killings, humiliation, bulldozing of their homes, etc.

Dec. 09 2011 02:17 PM
MC from Manhattan

The bible and Quran are irrelevant here so jgarbuz's "my holy book is better than yours" argument . It is really childish. Yes 1.2 BILLION muslims. I guess majority rules. No matter what you say I am sure that that pure truth burns you . That in itself is enough of an answer.

Dec. 09 2011 01:40 PM
fasteddy

Mr. Marcus' argument can be summed like this: "A presenter on a Palestinian cooking show said that Couscous is a Palestinian dish that was stolen by the Israelis. The theft did not happen. The claim of theft is false. Therefore all claims of theft made by all Palestinians against Israelis or Israel are false." It is a glib and dishonest way of dismissing the broadly substantiated and internationally recognized theft of occupied land, the theft of homes in Jerusalem through city planning, the theft of livelihood through the destruction of wells and olive groves, and the the theft of opportunity by erecting barriers that keep children from schools, the sick from hospitals, and goods from market. What is is sad and indicative is that a silly claim about the theft of couscous can find such resonance.

Dec. 09 2011 12:43 PM
henry from nj

Israel's readiness to compromise for peace should only be doubted by those who either have a built in bias or can't even spell the word 'history'.
Israel gave away the Sinai Peninsula (a land mass several times the size of Israel proper) to Egypt when they saw that the other side was really willing to make peace.
As for celebrating Passover, Jews celebrate their liberation from slavery. Don't you haters understanding anything?
As for 'stealing' others' land - It is the Jewish homeland and has been for over 3000 years. It is always the worst hypocrites who accuse others - look at yourselves and your own history first.
With all the problems of illegal immigration we have here, has it dawned on anyone that may be a similar problem existed in Israel, with great numbers of Arabs being drawn into Israel as the only economic power house in the area? There are many more Arabs living on Israeli-Palestinian land today than ever before.

Dec. 09 2011 12:27 PM
Miriam Schechter

I am reeling in shock and disgust over the interview. Mr. Marcus described the essay by a young girl published in a PA- and PLO- sponsored children's magazine where the girl identifies Adolph Hitler as one of her heroes. To my horror, Mr. Lehrer responded with the word, "but ..." and went on to quote an Israeli official who spoke about building settlements. Is Mr. Lehrer's moral compass so distorted that he equates supporting and promoting children's idealization of genocide with building housing for people in disputed territories? On behalf of my family members who are survivors or were victims of Hitler, I demand an apology.

Dec. 09 2011 12:23 PM
jgarbuz from Queens

To MF

You've got another version of history to show us? Do you have an ancient Palestinian book someplace we haven't seen? Or a list of ancient Palestinian kings and queens, rulers, states, anything? Do you have land deeds we should look at? Do you have a religious claim from the Quran? YOu got NOTHING! Just 1.6 biillion Muslim caught up in this big lie and don't know how to get around it.

Dec. 09 2011 12:12 PM
jgarbuz from Queens

To TH from the Bronx

Yes, the Jewish right was not only registered for the whole world to read in the Torah, but no Arab right to our land was even registered in the Quran! The Arabs just occupied and desecrated Jewish land, without any excuses nor prior claims to it whatsoever. But the Jewish claim was also upheld by the League of Nations in 1922! That was 25 years before the Holocaust and 27 before the creation of the UN to replace it.

Dec. 09 2011 12:09 PM
MF from Manhattan

I agree with TH and others. The problem is arrogance on the part of Jews that strut around pushing the Bible in our faces and telling us that we have to accept their version of their history as the ultimate true. This is the trap that all of us that accept this religious tradition fall into. Arrogance to assume that GOD gave you land and that you are the "true heir" as well as the insensitivity to complain about Palestinians celebrating murders when your own god himself is a merciless murderer of innocents (its all over the Torah) . I can't help but compare this kind of religious tradition to the Mafia and gangsterism. Even Don Corelone had a code of Honor but a gangster is a gangster and the god of the bible was a murderer and it seems a their too.

Dec. 09 2011 12:07 PM
EIO

Please read Ben Ehrenreich's December 2011 Harper's Magazine article entitled "Drip, Jordan" It details the lopsided Palestinian/Israeli water relations--including the series of water agreements that the Israeli government has broken or subverted. This article provides a sense of how access or lack of access to water has propelled an ethnic cleansing of sorts perpetuated by Israeli settlers (who are backed by the Israeli military and government) against ordinary Palestinians. To deprive a people their access and right to potable water is inhumane, and the worst incitement of all.

Dec. 09 2011 12:04 PM
TH from Bronx

"true heirs"? and their deed to the land was registered ......where? in the Bible? I don't believe win the Bible. I believe in the Wizard of Oz and he says that most (notice I did not say ALL) of your "true" heirs don't have deed and title except by force.

Dec. 09 2011 12:00 PM
jgarbuz from Queens

The State of ISrael has to keep a certain of control over the rebellious ARab occupiers of Jewish land, because they have a tendency to try to kill and maim Jews all the time. But once the Arab occupiers of Jewish land realize that the Jewish state is immovable and permanent, and their antics can only lead to their own suffering, at some point I hope reason can prevail. But "reason" does not play a big role in Muslim Arab politics, religion, or anything so hoping that reason will prevail is really betting on a 1 in a billion long shot.

Dec. 09 2011 11:57 AM
Richard Karnatz from S.F. CA

Why does Israel think that trying to demonize the PA will cover up their egregious behavior?.
America has enough problems with out counting this schizophrenic population as it's greatest ally in the middle east. With friends like this, who needs enemas? I guess it just goes to show what a bag of losers the US has become.
I would not abide this behavior if they lived next door to me. I would be found not guilty if I killed them trying to steal my property. Self defense is a legitimate defense. Why don't we allow this basic human right to the Palestinians? Or was god selective about who how dole out human rights too?

Dec. 09 2011 11:56 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

The 5.5. million Arabs living on Jewish land, are no different than the 1 million Jews who USED to live on ARab land, but have been ethnically 98% cleansed out of the Muslim countries. By contrast, there are 5 times as many Arabs living on Jewish land today as was the case in 1947! So the Arabs have nothing to complain about. They have thrived on Jewish land since the true heirs to it returned to it.

Dec. 09 2011 11:54 AM
Pauline from Queens

While I'm opposed to any incitement to violence regardless of the source, the fundamental reality is that the State of Israel exercises control over the lives of Palestinians in a way that no Israeli or American would ever accept from a foreign power. So simply talking about Palestinian media really is beside the point. As long as the Israelis continue to subject Palestinians to an illegal, brutal & immoral military occupation, the response on the part of some -- though by no means all -- Palestinians will be resistance, including armed resistance. The United States needs to recognize that the occupation itself is a form of violence and needs to stop using US taxpayer dollars to subsidize it.

Dec. 09 2011 11:54 AM
art525 from park slope

The speaker hypocritically condemns terroritsts being glorified with monumentws to them but the Israelis have elected numerous former terrorists as their president.

Dec. 09 2011 11:53 AM
CH from Bronx

Lets go back to the Passover message. Its obvious that people from the so called (un) holy land are as vindictive and vengeful as humanity is won't to be... to celebrate for thousands of years the killing of Egyptian children and expect the decedents of THEIR god's tribal wrath (real or imagined ) not to feel upset about it shows the hubris and insensitivity of religious Jews. Passover is the celebration of a massacre of innocents and for Jews to continue to hold it sacred is no different than the abhorrent traditions some Palestinians are trying to establish albeit 5000 years late

Dec. 09 2011 11:52 AM
Dan Michael from Long Island

The big lie of your guest Mr. Marcus, Israel and Palestine, ostensibly equal partners.
In fact for 40+ years Palestine is under brutal oppression of the Israeli occupation.
I'm telling you, as an officer in the Israeli army for 25 years, was wounded in the war in Lebanon, once was a true believer in Greater Israel, and was involved in establishment of the illegal settlements in occupied Palestine.

Dec. 09 2011 11:52 AM
jeff from bkbaby

one of the many reasons that i cant stand brian lehrer. you can always count on false equivalency. pathetic

Dec. 09 2011 11:52 AM
MichaelB from Morningside Heights

Whichever side one is on, the guest sounded imminently reasonable to me.

He is correct to point out that when one side goes so far -- when there ARE no limits to the expression of hatred -- that reconciliation & mediation becomes impossible.

He seemed sincere in wanting the parties to get to the point where they can finally talk, and find peace.

Dec. 09 2011 11:48 AM

Maybe the solution is not to "tone down" the rhetoric as Mr. Lehrer suggests, but to allow its articulation to exhaustion .. in all its hitler-related accusations.

Dec. 09 2011 11:47 AM
Binyamin in Orangeburg from Orangeburgh, NY

Isn't this just a pretext for maintaining the status quo, which is that Jews on the West Bank have human rights and the 3 million Arabs don't? The "peace talks" are just a charade designed to cover the de facto annexation. Why should America support this?

Dec. 09 2011 11:46 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

Since the Arabs stole almost everything from the Jews, including parts of their religion, and nearly all of the Jewish homeland, they have to destroy or at least subjugate the Jews to kill the evidence of their own thievery. A thief does not want the victim to survive to remind him, or give evidence against him for his thievery.

Dec. 09 2011 11:46 AM
Bob L from new york

Israel, good neighbor? If my neighbor continuously took parts of my property with no legal recourse to legally oppose them - guess what? I would probably hate them too. First step towards peace - Stop the settlement occupations!

Dec. 09 2011 11:44 AM
Asaf Soof from Union Sq

PA want to have a country but forget that first and foremost a nation should aspire to be civilized. No one (especially not the PA) needs another Libya, Syria, or Iran, and the way that they treat their own and their neighbor. Israel wants a strong PA nation, but expects that nation to be morally justified.

Dec. 09 2011 11:44 AM
Savery from LES

What does this have to do with Americans? We don't give a damn this is none of our business.

Dec. 09 2011 11:44 AM
WE from Manhattan

Hatred is horrible, but I think the massacre at a passover seder is so ironic because Passover is a Jewish celebration of God Killing Egyptian children and passing over the Hebrews homes and sparing their children!
what is THAT ?
is that an incident to celebrate?

Dec. 09 2011 11:43 AM
Sonia

re "incitement": what about settlers, who are creating the "facts on the ground," i.e., taking over land on the West Bank and threatening and harassing Palestinians living on their own land? what about a racist like Lieberman who's the Foreign Minister in Netanyahu?

Dec. 09 2011 11:43 AM
Jesse from New York

Ummm, these are not comparisons of equals.

Of course the Palestinians celebrate these people. What else do they have to celebrate?

They live in an apartheid state.

Wow, how shocking. The 1st world county with a modern education system whose economy only exists because of the United States' largess is smarter about not promoting war criminals.

What a surprise.

Yeah, that's what happens when you brutalize a people over generations.

THEY. DON'T. LIKE. YOU.

Dec. 09 2011 11:43 AM
Hina Kidwai

How sad that Itamar Marcus speak gently an equally vitriollic speech that he condemns. A small example Couscous is not a east european dish but more middle esatern dish and not certainly so central to a majority of europeans in Israel. So palestinians are wrong when they feel they have been violated at every level and thier helpless anger is expressed in seemingly biased manner.

Dec. 09 2011 11:42 AM
Truth from NY

Finally demands on the PA and Hamas to realize the truth. Israelis are there to stay, deal with it and make peace by respecting each other!

Dec. 09 2011 11:42 AM
Sarah

Are you kidding me? Israeli heroes are saints? You're former Prime Minster is in jail for RAPE!

Dec. 09 2011 11:42 AM

If all the Zionists had never showed up in Palestine, we wouldn't have any of these problems today.

Dec. 09 2011 11:41 AM

both sides have been proxies for identities which had to be forged in the past 50 years

Dec. 09 2011 11:35 AM
Robert from NYC

Gosh more one-sided pro Israel, anti Palestinian stuff. I've heard way more demonization of Palestinians by Israelis than the reverse. I can't listen anymore. Good bye.

Dec. 09 2011 11:35 AM

Itamar Marcus' Palestinian Media Watch is closely tied to the Central Fund of Israel, which funnels money to some of the worst extremists in Israel's settler/colonist movement.

Using the standards the US government applies to Arabs and Muslims, this would make Marcus a _terrorist_.

Will The Brian Lehrer Show have someone on from Hamas or Hezbollah?

Will the show even have someone on to detail the virulent anti-Arab racism pervading Israel these days -- spearheaded by Benjamin Netanyahu and Avigdor Lieberman (and supported by Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, Peter King, Joseph Lieberman, Anthony Wiener, and others in the US)?

Dec. 09 2011 10:19 AM

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