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The U.S. and China

Friday, November 18, 2011

Chief Washington correspondent for The New York Times, David Sanger, discusses the U.S. stance toward China and what the announcement that there will be a permanent U.S. Marine base in Australia has to do with it. 

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Comments [14]

Natalie from Brooklyn from Brooklyn, NY

I would like to have heard David Sanger discuss whether the Australian deployment also brings us closer to targets in Pakistan and Iran from another direction.
Also why we are not focusing equivalent amounts of money on research, development and production of new products to compete with the Chinese on an economic front?

Nov. 18 2011 12:10 PM

to HughSansom & dboy

I don't know, why don't we ask the Tibetans and Uighurs!

China has obviously taken a page from our book and is expanding economically into other nations rather than militarily at this point.

Which country has had military exercises in the Spratly Islands? Which country has halted exports of Rare Earth Metals, [probably in violation of WTO rules], and forced foreign companies to instead move their factories and technology to China instead? (Is that economic war?). Which country can you have this conversation on the internet in without running afoul of moderators and possibly risk jail time in?

Nov. 18 2011 12:08 PM
Matthew Leonard from 10566

Just another thing to consider in discussing the US presence in the region. Indonesia just to the north of Australia has been a huge factor in the shaping of Australian military and strategic policy since later 1960s. The Indonesian military continues to carry out operations in Irian Jaya and elsewhere, that oppress Indigenous populations in the name of Indonesian strategic interest; for this read access to oil and mineral reserves. It wasn't that long ago that Indonesian troops were perpetrating atrocities in East Timor, and neither the US or Australia saw that they had a role to play in stopping them.

Don't forget the US is already supported by the Australian Government by hosting a number of important communication facilities on Australian soil.

The Australian public are very aware of the need for an ongoing close strategic relationship with the USA, but are more ambivalent about a significant presence of US military on Australian territory.

Nov. 18 2011 11:59 AM

to jgarbuz

Unfortunately when Ronald Reagan brought down Communism he forgot about China. I think a large part of the reason the Soviet Union collapsed was because they got bankrupted by trying to compete with us in building up military, (then there was Afghanistan too, but I digress). Our Capitalist system was better able to foot the bill.

But I wonder what would of happened if instead of this economic competition with the Soviet Union, we instead passed a free trade agreement with them in the 70's, and started moving our jobs and factories to Russia, N. Korea and Cuba and buying all their goods instead?

China still is a Communist country...

Nov. 18 2011 11:57 AM

HughSansom has a DEFINITE point!!

Nov. 18 2011 11:46 AM

Which nation is trying to expand? Which one is aggressive? Which nation has multiple wars going? Which nation has troops in dozens of countries? Which country is talking about launching more wars?

It isn't China.

Nov. 18 2011 11:44 AM

BO stinks.

Same old story.

zz.

Nov. 18 2011 11:44 AM
Matt from NYC

Please ask your guest about the missile tests the government conducted yesterday in the Pacific.

Nov. 18 2011 11:43 AM

... any opportunity to throw our weight around!

Go, US hegemony!

I'm sure the Military/Industrial Complex™ will generate terrific profits!!

Nov. 18 2011 11:40 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

to meatnyc

Why are "we building" a strong middle class in China? Because Ronald Reagan decided to bring down Communism and hence free billions of impoverished slaves and turn them into consumers and competitors! Now that Chinese and INdians are free to do your job, why shouldn't our companies send your former job to them to do at cheaper cost?

Nov. 18 2011 11:40 AM
The Truth from Becky

How about we pull our troops and money out of ALL Countries around the world, use our resources in our own Country, export goods for profit only, don't buy or trade with any other Nation around the world. What then?

Nov. 18 2011 11:39 AM

America spends billions of dollars buying oil from the Middle East. Some of that money countries like Saudi Arabia ended up spending on building radical schools in rural Pakistan and Afghanistan. We all know the results.

America spends billions buying useless junk all made in China that ends up in the garbage a few months later. Now China even insists more of our factories get moved there if companies want access to their Rare Earth minerals. China uses the extra money to build their middle class, and their military.

Why are we building a strong middle class in China at the expense of our own? The strength of a nation comes from the strength of its middle class.

We seem to keep sending our dollars to places that eventually will use them against us.

Nov. 18 2011 11:35 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

The US "pulled out" of many bases because the locals in the Phillippines and South Korea and Japan didn't want us around anymore. But now as China has gotten more muscular, they do.

But I don't think China is a military threat to anyone, because China knows that if it oversteps its boundaries, Japan, Taiway, South Korea, and everybody else will go nuclear on them! They will develop nukes.

But even China wants a small US presence, because they don't want their neighbors getting paranoid on them. They don't want them to go nuclear. SO the CHinese protests are rather muted, and the US presence is more symbolic now than anything else.

Nov. 18 2011 11:35 AM
If

Perhaps it's there to enforce china's compliance with united nations upcoming anti pollution laws implemented to slow climate change and illness?

Nov. 18 2011 09:28 AM

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