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The results are in. Republican Bob Turner beats Democrat David Weprin in the NY-9 seat. Digest the outcome with Liz Benjamin, host of Capital Tonight and blogger at the State of Politics blog.
My ex-husband was in Jimmy Carter's white house and ran Carter's campaign in New York in 1980. The special service warned us to leave our tiny apartment on the upper west side, by the back door because some in the Jewish community were so angry, they feared for his life. But there was no back door in our walkup. Outside campaign headquarters, the ADL, which if mentioned in any but a positive light ensures it will be deleted, was literally screaming "Joel McCleary come out!." As were many Hassids. When Brian -can't recall if he interviewed Carter about his then new book or just talked about him, his voice betrayed loathing for Carter. Why? Because Andy Young, African American ex mayor of Atlanta, suggested Israel negotiate with the PLO. Now a given. Yasser Arafat was a huge disappointment and all is not Israel's fault by a long shot. Israel MUST exist because anti semitism is real; I've seen it all over the world. But to save Israel, I believe, we should vote FOR a Palestinian state or cut aid. To do either would be political suicide, but israel is quickly delegitimizing itself, and taking US with it. Settlers are to Israel as Israel is to us, a CIA in Israel guy told me. The settlements must not freeze but stop. Today's NY Times put an Op Ed by Carter online but not in the paper. Less timely and important than saving the wilderness? Could it have to do with his all too prescient book Peace Not Apartheid. And Secretary Gates said on his way out the door, when people tend to say what they think, that our support for israel no matter what is a security risk for U.S. I was not happy to see on TV last night a dual American/Israeli flag burning in Cairo. Check out reader recommended comments, not those curated by The Times, on stories like their first on the race for Weiner's seat. Or on U.S. Spies on Israeli Embassy, not sure about that headline. You'll see there are more who think like me than you think. I am not and have never been anti semitic or self loathing Jew. It will be informative to see if this is deleted.
Hey _Calls'em as I sees'em from NY's 9th CD_
You're the same provocateur that has been perpetuating your right wing views (your right), supposedly from DC or Virginia or something, prior to claiming your from NY's 9th. Classic.
You should probably change up your handle so it's not easily identifiable.
RBC from NYC:
Yes, both sides are mind-police, just like in Fascist and Communist regimes.
But conservatives don't pretend to be open-minded; that is the sole province of liberals. It is the hypocrisy that galls me, even though I agree with liberals more often.
And I never called liberals idiots. In fact, some of my best friends are liberals....
Brian - there IS an HPV vaccine for males. It's a great debate: will one vaccinate a son so he won't give HPV to hisfemale partner.
Brian, the people of this district from all races, religions, income brackets, and even union members, etc. were sick of and disappointed in Weiner and are sick and tired of 0bama's failed policies. They also simply liked and trusted the quiet and thoughtful Bob Turner better than another politics as usual candidate who didn't even live in the district. But, make no mistake - this is a "shot" heard round the world and leaders in places from China to Iran will see it as the first death knell of the 0bama regime; because if his party can't carry NYC even with robo calls from President Clinton, it is doomed in at least 47 - 48 states. This is a bigger victory than Scott Brown in Mass. It is also a good thing to have more regular citizens in Congress and fewer slick lawyers and life long pols who are corrupted by the system over time. The latter a reason for term limits and fresh faces, too.
@MichaelB - Conservatives do the same thing! If one doesn't agree with the Conservative platform, then you're considered "unpatriotic" or "un-american" by the Right. Also calling Liberals "idiots" doesn't help either.
I had no idea this election was even happening until the "upset" was reported last night.
This election had more unrelated issues (e.g., Obama vs. Israel), more political party foolishness (a non-resident candidate; dozens of phone calls which angered many voters more than inspired them), and more ridiculous hype than it deserved. There is so much anger in the nation, which I saw at the polls and which I myself displayed there by getting into an argument with my local Councilwoman about the Weprin candidacy. The terrible truth may well be that what swung this district is a sense that the President still wants to be a referee rather than a leader and his Party is leaderless and without cohesion.
Koch makes me sick.
he's a closeted self hating homosexual that likes to create problems to keep his prune like face on TV. True drag Queen
I had no idea this election was even happening, until the upset was reported last night.
Son of Saul Weprin?
I met Saul Weprin, I knew Saul Weprin....
David is no Saul Weprin
Congratulations, Mr. Turner. And congratulations on your recommended course of zero government growth and cutting spending.
The very first thing we should, as a nation do, is ELIMINATE the wasteful 3.5 billion dollars we hand to the state of Israel every year. This huge slice of pork is one of the things bankrupting the USA. While Israel, thanks to the American taxpayer's largess, enjoys universal free health care, the USA does not.
Let's eliminate this boondoggle. US out of Israel, now and forever. Of course, that policy will not be popular with that holy duo, evangelical Christians and orthodox Jews.
I've been voting in brooklyn since 94', all of my friends vote and we're all hard core Dems. I had no idea there was an election until I saw the poll station signs yesterday.
Alex from Brooklyn makes an insightful point. And to generalize it more broadly, Democrats, particularly NY Dems (and NY liberals in general) tend instantly to portray anyone who doesn't accept their positions on bleeding edge issues as haters, and similarly demonizing pejoratives. (This is the origin of political correctness.)
It's so often their way or the highway. It's quite an Ironic outlook to take for so-called "open-minded" folks....
What we're learning, over and over again, is that the electorate is in a confused, sorry state. (And I'm no Democrat.) Will it deserve what it gets?
It shows that just putting a plastic puppet by Party bosses doesn't guarantee victory and that is a good thing. Weprin was a sterile candidate at best
PLEASE ASK THE GUEST:
Don't you think Crowley, Ackerman and Meeks are celebrating that they will not have a primary challenge from another incumbent???
Russian radio AM 620 had a 24 hour propaganda campaign for TURNER.
All commentators where on air telling democrats republican and independents to vote for TURNER.
I love US and A public airways being used to sell KGB style propaganda
it's all about the NY Democratic party expelling the Orthodox Jewish community from the party. The rhetoric used in the lead up to the "gay marriage", alienated the average Orthodox Jews from the party. Most Orthodox Jews do NOT care much about gay-marriage, but don’t like to be made feel like bigots or haters because of their religion. Leader of the NY Democratic party were not sensitive enough going about it. So Tuesday was payback day.
low turn out helps the gop!
Obama should declare Anthony Weiner an enemy combatant and have him sent to GITMO for 10 years. He should then announce that he's not seeking re-election in order to give Dems a fighting chance to hold the White House. He's proven himself to be a bumbling, clueless joke who has no idea what he's doing.
4 MORE YEARS !!4 MORE YEARS !!4 MORE YEARS !!
LOL.............just kidding.Admit that Obama is failing on multiple fronts and stop the damage.
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