Decade 9/11 Conversation: Milton Glaser and Paul Goldberger

Tuesday, September 06, 2011

Paul Goldberger, design professor at The New School, the architecture critic for the New Yorker, and author of Up from Zero: Politics, Architecture, and the Rebuilding of New York and Why Architecture Matters, and Milton Glaser, celebrated designer who most famously designed the "I ♥ NY" logo, discuss New York City's image and brand pre and post 9/11.


Milton Glaser and Paul Goldberger

Comments [18]

Joan Callender from Brooklyn

Your guests glossed over comments about being priced out of the outer boroughs. As for police stats I think we have some knowledge that precincts have fudged results e.g. felonies are downgraded, reports are not taken and reported, time is wasted in writing parking tickets to quotas, etc.

Sep. 06 2011 11:43 AM
thatgirl from manhattan

it also bears mentioning that mr. glaser is a vital part of the school of visual arts, and continues to inspire designers of many kinds year on. it's always a pleasure to hear him inveigh on evocative visual design.

Sep. 06 2011 11:38 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

I've lived in New York, mostly Brooklyn and Queens, since 1949 (except for the decade that I lived in Israel), and have seen the pendulum swing back and forth. Since Giuliani cleaned up the city, it has been relatively quiet and law abiding. But as my mother, a Holocaust survivor, taught me long ago, "Times many change, but people don't." In good times and in bad times people are going to be what they are. Obviously, hard times bring out the worst, and sometimes criminality in people.

Nothing's really changed since the dawn of time, no matter what we choose to believe. We always have to be vigilant and never complacent.

Sep. 06 2011 11:37 AM
Debbie from Manhattan (moving to Bklyn)

Goldberg and Glaser are spot on about NYCs improved quality of life. I was raised in NYC in the 70s/80s and the improvements of the last 10-15 years make NYC today a far cleaner, safer, place to live. It was and will always be considered expensive, alas.

Sep. 06 2011 11:37 AM
thatgirl from manhattan

echoing walter, i think the preference to simply "fill the gap" in the skyline, rather than truly memorialize lost lives with open, green, living space is emblematic of our culture's stubborn belief that economic recovery is emotional recovery.

unfortunately, we've had ten years to refine what would be built. commercial vacancy rates being as high as they are citywide, the ground trade freedom zero tower will only be a memorial to our ability to waste money on vanity, and miss the larger point of a loss that cannot, and probably should not be attempted to fill.

Sep. 06 2011 11:34 AM
RBC from NYC

I can't agree that NYC has become "better". New construction is completely devoid of ANY character. The population of the city has become more diverse, but the neighborhoods are becoming increasingly racially and economically segregated. And the number of industries here are actually shrinking.

Sep. 06 2011 11:33 AM
Geo from astoria

NY is not a good place for artists or musicians anymore. Its too expensive for them to live here and pursue their art.

Manhattan especially has become alot more sterile than it used to be.

and NY is just full of out-of-towners coming here to have a life experience and go back home when they've had enough.

Sep. 06 2011 11:32 AM
Bobby G from East Village

To me it has always been, " I love New York." Some where along the line,"I heart New York" came into usage, but Milton Glaser seems to use the "I love" construction. Thanks

Sep. 06 2011 11:29 AM
Jay from Manhattan

BREAKING: Upper class white guys are very upset that poor people are begging for change and ruining their train rides. Film at 11.

Sep. 06 2011 11:25 AM
Elise Woods from Bronx

I am so disappointed in this discussion. So many people are being displaced by the "exploitation" of places like Williamsburg and other sections of Brooklyn. The large amount of African Americans that are leaving New York City for the South have not found a city that has been kind to them, in fact it has been the opposite. Very few jobs and apartments that are out of their range. This is happening to so many people. I'm not sure where your guests live or if they travel past 135th street.

Sep. 06 2011 11:25 AM

PS. Goldberger's insistance that the site be rebuilt for the sake of the "spirit" of the city is, needless to say, pure nonsense (of the sort you'd expect from a flack for the construction industry).

A lovely square park, a lawn as proposed by the artist Ellsworth Kelly, would have been very much a part of the fabric of the city, a wonderful memorial, and over the long term a perfect addition to the downtown community.

Sep. 06 2011 11:25 AM
Steve from Flatbush

The comment that people have moved to the outer boroughs to escape the economic untenability of Manhattan isn't inaccurate except that it fails to cite how Brooklyn is now becoming just as economically untenable as was Manhattan at the point where it forced people to the outer boroughs.

Sep. 06 2011 11:23 AM
Walter from nyc

Yes, yes, yes, we have good restaurants downtown, but is it impossible to say?

Freedom Tower is an incredibly ugly building, an armoured monstrosity and a terrible symbol of the U.S. as the "tallest building in the country."

It makes the old WTC look like a masterpiece!

Sep. 06 2011 11:22 AM
pete from uws

The city is more habitable because everything has been converted to glass towered condos...erasing the "work" which used to also define the neighborhoods in this city, along with it's so-called residents.

Sep. 06 2011 11:21 AM

The proper response to 9/11 would have been to erect exact replicas of the Twin Towers, but with better quality materials. To erect something other than replicas of the Twin Towers imples that there was something wrong with them. There was nothing wrong the Twin Towers' design. The only thing wrong with them was the poor quality of the material used to construct them.

Sep. 06 2011 11:21 AM
tom from astoria

How about a New York look to the memorial? mosaics in the vein of those in the subway system...or the art deco interiors of our great buildings. THis is what good/great artists do -- integrate our character and tratitions into new significant enduring new works.

Sep. 06 2011 11:17 AM

And 1 part Leibeskind, 2 parts Silverstein and 0 part what the people who live here wanted. Remember all those meetings that included residents giving their views? No one wanted more commercial towers. Mixed use was what was called for.

Sep. 06 2011 11:06 AM
tom from astoria

Looking at memorials throughout history you will find wonderful depictions of the life of that time, such as Greek marble reliefs and vases, Egyptian wall paintings and wood carvings of daily life, young warriors, mothers etc. At Ground Zero -- typical of memorials since Maya Lin's Vietnam memorial, we get names on a wall. Forty years later, is this all we get? What of great artists that can depict in stone or 2-D images? Are your guests content with this CONTEMPORARY tradition

Sep. 06 2011 11:00 AM

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