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Keystone Pipeline Controversy

Thursday, September 01, 2011

Jim Robbins, veteran environmental reporter and writer for the New York Times, discusses the controversy surrounding the Keystone XL Pipeline, as well as the environmental and political concerns with oil sands.

Guests:

Jim Robbins

Comments [14]

Choose Canadian Oil Sands or Saudi Kings Demands:.
Otherwise, US economy collapses!
NYU Global Studies Masters Thesis student, James said, with a couple years or even a weak amount of researching you could easily discover what is common knowledge.

> Even as a Zen Web Raster, O’ still have trouble ciphering such an ontological blend.

Cont... While O’ deep science grounding lack (except college BS & innate BS abilities), what if O' drilled down to NYU Prof. Carolyn Kissane, PhD, MA & her 2 years research-w/students--maybe including Master James.
Excerpt:
"However, like Friedman (2006), Kissane over-states her argument by simplistically delineating states into two categories without providing any supporting evidence ―"
- Also check out sad/interesting blowback this paper coughs up:
> Big Oil - Education Spoil?
http://www.jceps.com/PDFs/08-1-10.pdf
> Another Thesis
http://www.claremontmckenna.edu/keck/research/Rice_FINALThesis.pdf
Today US Drills4Gains~Tomorrow Need Gills4Rains

Sep. 07 2011 05:59 PM

Unfortunately the last comments - about the emissions problem and Brian's summary that the enviro orgs don't want anything that emits more carbon - left listeners with the impression that these were emissions like any emissions. Actually these emissions are 80% greater per barrel of oil than ordinary drilling produces, which is why James Hansen of NASA says if the tar sands are fully developed, it is "essentially game over for the climate." This segment wasn't long enough to be able to clarify some extremely important facts.

Sep. 01 2011 02:11 PM
Pope Jon from Ridge, NY

Robert from NYC- that's a really dumb idea because you'd waste even more energy from the most inefficient way to get oil. You'd be shipping all that extra sand with the oil. Plus, what do you do with the contaminated sand when you get it to the other side to be processed?

Sep. 01 2011 10:59 AM

Gee... what happened to the BO green economy plan??? Cleaner... loads of jobs... modern... smarter...

Oh, that's right!!

Barak Obama rollover... that's what happened!!

Sep. 01 2011 10:59 AM
Amy from Manhattan

I've been getting emails from environmental groups for weeks about these protests (& about the pipeline for longer). I'm surprised it took WNYC till now to address it.

Sep. 01 2011 10:59 AM
Robert from NYC

Oh come on they always say these things bring jobs but are they jobs we want. Just about every project brings jobs but are they all jobs that we want? There are jobs we want to promote and those we want to discourage. So jobs is not an issue since every project brings jobs with them.

Sep. 01 2011 10:59 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

Personally, I believe China will ultimately save us from ourselves. China is producing mass quantities of solar panels, and are already selling them to us. Eventually, Chinese solar panels will become so cheap as to destroy the oil and coal industries, and that is what our fossil fuel moguls are afraid for. They see the price of solar and wind going down, down, down, and their own assets under threat. So they MUST keep us hooked on oil and coal for as long as they can hold us captive.

Sep. 01 2011 10:56 AM

uhmmmm... Tumor Fish®!

"A little extra!™!"

Sep. 01 2011 10:55 AM
Pope Jon from Ridge, NY

It takes 1 barrel of oil to extract 3 barrels of oil from oil sands. It also takes 3 barrels of water to extract 1 barrel of oil out of the oil sands. Its the most energy inefficient way to extract oil besides fracking. For comparison, it takes 1 barrel of oil to extract 14 barrels of oil in Saudi Arabia. Source: Popular Science

Sep. 01 2011 10:54 AM
Robert from NYC

Why don't they just ship it in trucks in its semi-solid form and then when it gets here it can be cooked in safe sort of pressure cookers to separate from sand. It sound somewhat cleaner and safer in the shipping end, no!!!? I'm not a supporter of the oil companies but as we don't seem to be getting away from it how about making it safer to get at as I suggested here above for this form of it?

Sep. 01 2011 10:53 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

The fastest way to get arrested in America is to oppose the oil lobby. You want to go to jail? Protest against the fossil fuel moghuls.

As for where the oil goes? The oil, like every other commodity, will go to whoever pays the highest price for it. If you had oil in your backyard, and the Chinese or Japanese guy was willing to pay you 20% more than your neighbor for it, you'll sell it to whoever gives you the highest price. The only exception is in war, where you are not allowed to sell to an enemy. Otherwise, oil and everything else goes to whoever is prepared to pay the most for it.

Sep. 01 2011 10:52 AM
jk

Brian,

This subject deserves far more coverage than the scant attention that you are devoting to it. Instead of wasting time on the fake controversy over the scheduling of Obama's speech before Congress, you should have allocated more time for this segment.

Sep. 01 2011 10:52 AM
Jay F.

Brian, nothing we do is in the planets interest. Nothing!

Sep. 01 2011 10:51 AM
Chris from New York

Brian - Please ask your guest about the following -

Would he rather have the Canadian oil imported into the United States or encourage the Canadians to build a pipeline to the West where it can export the oil to China?

If the production of oil and related carbon emissions is inevitable, why would you encourage the Canadians to ship cheap energy to our country's chief economic rival?

The alternative is to import more oil from Venezuela, Nigeria, Mexico, Brazil and to increase drilling in the Gulf of Mexico.

The substantial growth in Canadian and US onshore oil production has caused a structural change in the oil markets. Oil at the USA's central storage hub in Cushing, Oklahoma is now $25 / barrel cheaper than virtually anywhere else in the world.

That will be a boon to consumers over time.

This country's various environmental movements are trying to choke industry and slow down the economic recovery. They propose encouraging "clean technology" companies which can't cut it. For example, Solyndra, the largest US solar panel manufacturer - with $500 million of loans guaranteed by the US government - just declared bankruptcy.

FYI - I'm Democrat and WNYC donor and a supporter of the oil and gas industry, including hydraulic fracturing.

Sep. 01 2011 10:46 AM

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