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Decade 9/11 Conversation: Radio Rookies and Clifford Chanin

Thursday, September 01, 2011

Part four of our Decade 9/11 series of conversations: WNYC Radio Rookies Brendan Illis and Norhan Basuni and 9/11 Memorial Museum director Clifford Chanin talk about the collaboration between the museum and Radio Rookies and how young New Yorkers have lived the decade since September 11th.

Guests:

Norhan Basuni, Clifford Chanin and Brendan Illis

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rose-ellen from jackson hts.

The religion of america is americanism -and in its' name we have committed commit mass murder and torture.And all the villages and cities and towns who have been victims of american carpety bombs througout the 20th and now 21st c are also victims of terrorism-aamerican style.al quada attacked us not because we are not muslims but because we meddled in their homelands-propping up dictators for our interests, placing military bases in the sacred lands, vetoing every UNresolution that would have benefitted the palestinians etc.,etc.They were a ressistence movement ffighting to liberate theirhome lands from neo-colonial unjust meddling which harmed their people[as the arab spring uprisings confirsm]. You are thin skinned about this .This is not because you value innocent human life more then muslims do [you spent the whole 20th c bombing civilians all over the world] but bacause it never occurred to you that it would not always be a given that you could act in the world with impunity. Alquada brought you to the knowledge for the first time that it was no longer a given. Hence your anger and hatred of them.Though alquadas' primary identification is as muslim arabs-their motives were political and had nothing to do with your false narrative that depicts them as irrational aand motivated by their hatred of anyone who dare not be muslim.It is a senseless narrative yet the political reasons for mid east terrorism is not allowed to be discussed in america even 10 yrs. later.They killed civilians for political reasons as we have throughout our history. Religion had nothing to do with it-except in so far that their primary identification is as muslims -yet they see their jihad as a resistence to unjust policies by westerners against them.Hence their jihad is defensive as we claim all our wars where we murdered civilians have been.Again our religion is americanism.We believe as long as we use the words freedom or democracy when we drop our bombs-it doesn't matter how many arms and legs are blown off by our weapons.We have our narrative to justify mass murder they have theirs.And muslim americans have nothing to explain,nothing to apologize for and nothing to prove-if you have a problem with them that is your problem-this is still a free country and no one has to prove anything to anyone about their beliefs -whether political or religious. If you don't like it then get laws changed against muslims and become the good germans of the 21st c. Good luck with that one-you who demand muslims speak out to appease you -have betrayed your american values- 5 minutes after you got a taste of your own medicine -your much tauted values of innocent till proven guilty, freedom of religion or political beliefs,etc. all. went out the window for you islamaphobic right wing good germans.Thin skinned hypocrites. Kudos to the muslims for NOT jumping through your hoops. Good luck getting laws against muslims passed!

Sep. 01 2011 04:14 PM
Sophie from Poughkeepsie, NY

@Ed from Larchmont

Here you go again and I'm so sick of your postings. Are sure you're listening to the right radio station?

Sep. 01 2011 12:56 PM
Sam

I don't need to read what Ahmadenijad says. I have read, listened, watched and followed all of this as extensively as the rest of us. ISLAM is not our enemy. Governments, terrorists and extreme ideology may be. Our biggest enemy, however, is ignorance.

Sep. 01 2011 12:13 PM
Carly from East Harlem

I just want to say how incredibly impressed I am with how knowledgeable and articulate these two young people are. Tying in to Clifford Chanin's comments, our country and world community would be so much better off if adults could conduct themselves and treat each other with the same degree of RESPECT.

Sep. 01 2011 11:46 AM
DarkSymbolist from NYC!

It's too bad we can't ever have an honest discussion about religion - it's either the PC, kumbayah kind of "true" this or that group wouldn't be violent kind of discussion that this segment was or it's an intolerant bigot who dislikes one group (Muslims or Jews or whatever) and paints that whole group with one brush

How about an honest, intellectual and HONEST discussion about religion and the things that are done in the name of religion without the PC garbage that seeks to pretend that "true" believers don't ever engage in violence in the name of their belief system?

Epic fail.

Sep. 01 2011 11:45 AM
Jules from Brooklyn

BRAVO to these two, amazing young people. What a breath of fresh air to listen to them talk so eloquently, passionately and be the voice of so many. We need to hear their voices more than politicians'. Very inspiring - thank you.

Sep. 01 2011 11:41 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

Our military does what our elected leadership orders it to do. That is what it's there for. And I put the emphasis on ELECTED LEADERSHIP!

American troops have been engaged in many wars that many have been critical of, going all the way back for 2 centuries. But they were sent into war by the elected leadership, and they can be recalled by a different elected leadership.

Sep. 01 2011 11:39 AM
Phoebe Pollinger from Montclair, NJ

Many Muslim Americans danced for joy at the collapse of the WTC - eg. the events in Jersey City and Paterson, NJ. Perhaps the difficulty many non-Muslims have is trying to understand how their long-time neighbors who had been living in peace and harmony could react in such a way to this tragedy. Did they harbor such hatred for America and Americans for so long that, when given the opportunity, these feelings finally surfaced? Isn't this akin to the reactions of many non-Jews in Eastern Europe during WWII to those previously Jewish friends and neighbors who were killed or transported to concentration camps - an outpouring of what appeared to be long-simmering hatred? When will we learn the lessons of history?

Sep. 01 2011 11:36 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

To Sam

Read more about what Ahmadinejad says, and what Iran is doing today in the world. Islam may not be our enemy, but there are strong Islamic leaders who are saying and doing things that are not exactly reassuring.

Sep. 01 2011 11:36 AM

I support the poor souls that have been sent to kill and be killed but...

... the wars we are currently committed to have NOTHING to do with our "freedom"!

Sep. 01 2011 11:34 AM
Sam

Adriene -

Islam is not our sworn enemy. There are violent factions of almost all religions. There are extremists in all philosophies. This country was founded on religious freedoms and tolerance amongst other things. Try exercising those Constitutional rights and you'll see the world in a different light.

Sep. 01 2011 11:32 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

dboy

You forgot to include MATRIARCHAL "magical thinking" as well.

And I hope that you support that in divorce struggles, that 50% of children go to fathers in custody battles!
I hope you are not sexist against fathers.

Sep. 01 2011 11:26 AM

How 'bout no archaic, absurdist, patriarchal, sexist magical thinking... regardless of flavor??

Really smart girl - a shame she doesn't spend her time on something more productive.

Sep. 01 2011 11:24 AM
adrienne from Upper west side

I know that this young woman is a good idealistic person, and personally I want more people of any faith like that here in the US. However, so often on this show I hear different Muslim speakers saying how discriminated against they are by non-muslims in the US. It seems absurd to me, the Muslim Arab world is our sworn enemy...that's a political fact not my personal opinion. That must be part of the equation when Muslims talk about living in America. It's intellectually dishonest not to.

Sep. 01 2011 11:22 AM
Sam

I think Norhan is making a lot of really offensive assumptions about Americans.

Sep. 01 2011 11:22 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

If the Muslim ulemas want to convince others that their religion is truly one of peace, they should state that they are against the imposition of Sharia law over any people, and certainly against any threat to the secular constitution of the United States or any secular democracy.

Islam must renounce "jihad" or any desire to impose Islamic law on any other country, unless the vast majority vote for its imposition.

Sep. 01 2011 11:19 AM
DarkSymbolist from NYC!

...and you can cherry-pick any line of the Koran to support your view as well...so what? That's the problem with organized religion...especially ancient and anachronistic(sp?) ones

Sep. 01 2011 11:16 AM
DarkSymbolist from NYC!

I'm tired of people saying a "true" Christian or a "true" Muslim wouldn't do this or that violent act

Ridiculous! Even the tiniest knowledge of history and the atrocities performed in the name of religion, reveals this as a lie

Of course this does not mean all Christians/Muslims believe in violence but to say that a "true" Christian/Muslim does not believe in violence just flies in the face of historical fact

Sep. 01 2011 11:14 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

A "true" Muslim will not hurt anybody else? Well, neither will a true Christian, nor a true Jew, nor a true Buddhist nor a true Hindu hurt anyone else either! But somehow, s**t happens! :)

A true HUMAN will not hurt anyone else.

Sep. 01 2011 11:09 AM
Ed from Larchmont

The WTC was attacked twice, on 2/26/1993 and 9/11/2001.
The sum of each of these three numbers is 2021, which factors to 43x47. The 37 could indicate a meaning of the WTC attack: reverse 73, reverse Roe v. Wade.

Sep. 01 2011 08:16 AM

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