Middle East Update: Libya

Wednesday, August 03, 2011

Mark Quarterman, senior adviser and director of the Program on Crisis, Conflict, and Cooperation at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, discusses the latest news out of Libya, including last week's assassination of General Abdul Fattah Younis.


Mark Quarterman

Comments [8]

gary from queens

Dear Brian,

I hope you're not discouraged by the few comments. I doubt your ratings are faltering. The problem is that your audience is comprised of liberals (because you present liberal views---absent of counterpoint----virtually all the time).

As such, your audience is discouraged and demoralized. Obama was their "hope and change." They really believed the hype. He was their messiah. A "messiah" who cancelled the National Day of Prayer for Christians and Jews and in 2009 declared a national day of prayer for Muslims (

And when these desciples witnessed a president who behaved like Bush---the evil one---they lost "hope" for change. No change in on Gitmo and detainee policy. No change on illegal wars. He embraced the Bush tax cuts last December. The economy is tanking and no jobs. and now this "Bipartisan Agreement To Add $7 Trillion To The Deficit Act of 2011" — err, I mean the Budget Control (Ahem) Act of 2011.

So that's why there were no comments posted here. The investment in the demonization of GW for 8 years has been undermined and discredited. On such issues as this one, you will not see liberals rant on. it would be legitimately be deemed hypocritical. So they're silent.

Aug. 03 2011 01:13 PM

War = $$$

Ask Don Rumsfeld!

Aug. 03 2011 11:33 AM

Less religion, more brains!!

Aug. 03 2011 11:31 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

11. "..You (Hagar) will give birth to a son.
You shall name him Ishmael,
for the LORD has heard of your misery.

12 He will be a wild donkey of a man;
his hand will be against everyone
and everyone’s hand against him,
and he will live in hostility
toward[b] all his brothers.”

Genesis 16:11-12

Aug. 03 2011 11:24 AM
gary from queens

And if I may emulate my liberal friends during the Bush years, I would ask rhetorically:

"By what right do we have to preemptively attack another sovereign nation?"

But unlike my liberal friends, I can add:

"and do so unconstitutionally, without Congressional consent, let alone advice?!"

Aug. 03 2011 11:21 AM
jgarbuz from Queens


Aug. 03 2011 11:14 AM
gary from queens

The other mistake in trying to topple Qaddafi (and using protection of civilians as a pretext) is that it makes the US less credible to potential allies. Qaddafi assisted the US in its war against jihad for the last dozen years, and he was celebrated (in person in Libya) be both Republicans and Dimocrats (no mispelling!). What nation would trust the US after this betrayal, not to mention the betrayal of Mubarach? And like Eqypt, where the pro jihadist Muslim Brotherhood is taking over the reigns of government, the "rebels" in Libya are made up of jihadists who fought against our forces in Iraq. We are stupidly helping our existential enemy by turning against an ugly dictator who at least has been helping the US, and at least had support of a minority of Libyans. MORE:

Aug. 03 2011 11:09 AM
gary from queens

The Libya intervention has been called Samantha Power's "personal triumph" by one NY Times editorialist. But the irony of what was to be the first test of "Responsibility to Protect" has turned into a war that has left more death and destruction than had we not intervened.

Further irony is that what was to be a policy to answer Bush's project to encourage democracy appears to be more patriarchical and elitist as well. The "About" page of the International Coalition for the Responsibility to Protect (ICRtoP) says:

If a State fails to protect its populations or is in fact the perpetrator of crimes, the international community must be prepared to take stronger measures, including the collective use of force through the UN Security Council.

But William A. Levinson writes in "Responsibility to Protect (R2P): White Man's Burden Redux" that "This statement differs little from 19th century justifications for colonialism, and it is instructive to compare it to the following:"

1. "Take up the White Man's burden--Send forth the best ye breed," from Rudyard Kipling's "The White Man's Burden."
2. "Underneath the starry flag, civilize 'em with a Krag," a song from the Philippine insurrection of 1898-1899. The Krag was the Krag-Jorgensen Rifle, which was then in service in the American Armed Forces.
3. Ann Coulter's "We should invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them to Christianity" is a more recent expression of the above sentiments.

More here:

Stanley Kurtz observes that "Responsibility to Protect" is less altruistic when you consider that it's ultimate objective is the consolidation of a world government of sorts, when he writes, "More deeply, her goal is to use our shared horror at the worst that human beings can do in order to institute an ever-broadening regime of redistributive transnational governance.

More here:

Aug. 03 2011 10:41 AM

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