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The Eleventh Day

Thursday, July 21, 2011

Anthony Summers and Robbyn Swan explain the circumstances of 9/11 by examining not only the sequence of events leading up to the disaster and the persons involved, but also the response of the U.S. government on that day and the efforts of U.S. intelligence immediately before and after the attack. Their book The Eleventh Day: The Full Story of 9/11 and Osama bin Laden draws on previously classified records and raw transcripts, investigates the response of President Bush and the U.S. military that day, and examines the failure to intercept the hijacked airliners. They document the untruths told afterward by U.S. officials and examine the “9/11 truth” movement, and look at where we stand now, ten years later.

Guests:

Anthony Summers and Robbyn Swan
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Comments [46]

Lee from Beijing

I would like to point out a striking inconsistency.

At 25:30 Mr. Summers states that it "would not be so strange for the Mossad to have agents trying to find out what Arabs in this country were up to and doing". He goes on to say that they were near the alleged hijackers in New Jersey. He suggests that the Israeli agent(s) were observing the Arabs "without knowing what they were going to do". Observing them from across the Hudson River with a video camera.

Rational thinking would lead one to understand that this actually makes the Mossad intimately involved in at least some aspects of the 9/11 events.

But then at 25:55 Mr. Summers then states, incredibly, that it "doesn't make the Mossad involved in 9/11".

To your audience who also heard Mr. Summers at 25:49 say, "...perfectly tenable theory [pause] to think [pause]", kindly look up Neuro-Linguistic Programming.

Another example:

At 25:15 Ms. Swan states, "...were they celebrating or just holding their arms up?"

Creating the image in one's mind that it makes sense that people filming destruction at the WTC from across the Hudson River would be "holding their arms up". Ms. Swan adroitly leaves out the "dancing" and "jumping up and down" reported by the actual eyewitness to the event who eventually called police.

Furthermore, even a probable disinformation agent will allow the truth to slip out:

At 25:20 Ms. Swan states, "We know the Mossad does do strange things. Um, uh..."

It behooves your audience to understand that the motto of the Mossad is:

"By way of deception, thou shalt do war…”

Jul. 26 2011 01:41 PM
jollyd from NYCCP

M A Y 1 9 9 6

The CIA poured billions into a jihad against Soviet-occupied Afghanistan, creating a militant Islamist Abraham Lincoln Brigade believed to have been involved in bombings from Islamabad to New York. Is Bosnia next?

http://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/issues/96may/blowback.htm

Jul. 22 2011 01:38 PM
Mr. Bad from IL

In one important respect Summers and Swan are completely right of course, and that is that in the end it doesn't matter whether it was a conspiracy or not, questions remain unanswered and always will.

What is known is that Bush/Cheney used the attack to justify an illegal war to the American public that resulted in a MINIMUM of 450,000 civilian casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan, the bankrupting of the country and finally put the final nail in the coffin of the Bill Of Rights in the form of the Patriot Act, in order to fight the endless 'War on Terror" which carries a clear and present danger potential that that OTHER endless war, the war on drugs, never could.

Jul. 21 2011 05:51 PM
Joe from NJ

@RLewis

I should add that something like a partial collapse
could certainly be counted as a definite possibility. There are examples of that in history. But nothing like total uniform near instantaneous collapse due to fire & damage. Therefore WTC 7 stands as a completely unique physical event, that stands in need of understanding how it could have happened.

Jul. 21 2011 02:31 PM
Mary

My concern is that "some Saudi person" was the financial backer for Mohammed Atta and "we will never know who". That makes no sense since all international money exchanges are well-documented.

Jul. 21 2011 02:27 PM

This topic has more obtuse comments than I've seen in a while on WNYC. A smorgasbord of classical logical fallacies, cognitive dissonance and just plain loopiness.

Truthers: the left wing equivalent of birthers.

Jul. 21 2011 02:18 PM
Joe from NJ

@RLewis

The firefighters were *worried* about WTC 7 (they didn't *know* it would collapse, but counted it as a possibility) only because of the collapse of 1 & 2 earlier, in themselves completely unprecedented events. I'm not disputing that.

I'm disputing the notion offered up by S&S that this somehow closes the book an what happened with
WTC 7. I've looked at their book on Google books -- that's their entire argument.

It doesn't hold water. That the firefighters should be worried about WTC 7 on that day because of the prior events of that day is completely understandable. That that therefore completely "explains" WTC 7 as a natural consequence of the known antecedents on that day is completely illogical. It does nothing of the sort.

Jul. 21 2011 02:18 PM
RLewis

Joe, you clearly mis-heard S&S. The FF's didn't need any experience prior to 9/11. They simply saw the damage done to 7 by the 2 towers and that it was burning out of controll. From those 2 observations alone the FF's could easily determine that 7 was in immenient danger of collapse. Heck, I could tell that much from Spring St.

Jul. 21 2011 01:56 PM
Joe from NJ

@DarkSymbolist

Let's take apart the S&S assertion on WTC 7 - senior firefighters were worrying about the collapse of WTC 7 before the event.

What are they trying to imply here? That the senior FF had experiences prior to 9/11 that were similar. But there are no "similar" cases anywhere to be found in the annals of steel framed buildings.

If there were, people like S&S sure would have brought them forward. But since they have no examples, they sneakily try to insinuate that there are, indirectly.

Jul. 21 2011 01:38 PM
Joe from NJ

@RLewis -

Math didn't make WTC 7 fall, but assessing odds is a common way of helping to separate likely events from non-likely. Of course you must know that.

Jul. 21 2011 01:28 PM
Joe from NJ

@DarkSymbolist

Don't let my little wah-wahs upset you so much. The fact remains that neither you nor Swan & Summers knows what happened nor can you provide a convincing explanation. So instead you resort to name calling & absurdities and trynig to make it seem as if *I'm* the one peddling a hokey theory.

I don't know why WTC 7 collapsed, but I also know that neither you nor S&S have anything like a sound convincing argument to back up your puffery.

Jul. 21 2011 01:24 PM
DarkSymbolist from NYC!

@ Joe

Y'know honestly your comments make you sound very immature.

What difference does it make? Whether they thought it would fall due to 1&2 falling or because it was damaged from 1&2 (or both). It's much more plausible that the building was damaged from the other buildings than because of some vast conspiracy.

You have absolutely NO facts to back up your points except empty statements that you seem to have taken at face value from conspiracy websites.

Just because you say "wah-wah-wah wrong answer" and "mathematical odds" without any facts to back that empty statement up just make you look childish, not convincing.

And anyway, we ALL know that 9/11 was a plot perpetrated by Scientologists in collusion with the Catholic church at the behest of the Illuminati to help fulfill the goals of the global Zionist agenda to take over the world and bring about the coming apocalypse in 2012 that was prophesied by the Mayans...I mean, c'mon really, who doesn't know that?

Jul. 21 2011 01:20 PM
RLewis

Joe, it's merely your opinion that it fell "UNIFORMLY", but there as many guesses as to why it would as there are as to why it wouldn't. Math has very little to do with it.

Jul. 21 2011 01:16 PM
Joseph from NJ

87 surviellance camera a Pentagon and only 2 frames (1/30 sec) released to the public. hmmmmm...

Jul. 21 2011 01:14 PM
Joe from NJ

@RLewis - "I'm surprised that the 2 towers didn't take down 7 immediately"

That might have been understandable - but how do you explain standing afterward for so long then collapsing UNIFORMLY at rate near free fall accleration? The mathematical odds against that being caused by NON-UNIFORM damage & fire are astronomical. You are entitled to your own opinions, but that's all they are.

Jul. 21 2011 12:58 PM
RLewis

If you can't understand how the falling of the 2 towers damaged building 7, then you were probably never there. I'm surprised that the 2 towers didn't take down 7 immediately - they were right next to each other. The mystery is not that building 7 fell -- it's that it stood so long that day.

Jul. 21 2011 12:51 PM
Joe from NJ

@Dark Symbolist - you seem to know. You should have written the book.

Firefighters thought WTC 7 would collapse - because why? Because years of experience taught them such buildings collapse in such case? Wah-wah-wah! - wrong answer! Its only because WTC 1 & 2 had collapsed earlier -- both totally unprecedented events in themselves. Swan & summers are either dishonest or illogical, take your pick.

Jul. 21 2011 12:47 PM
Laura from UWX

A senior fire official told me that one of the reasons for the collapse of WTC 7 was the huge amount of fuel illegally stored upstairs inside the building. Giuliani was afraid that the emergency command center's emergency generators might run out of fuel during a siege. Normally, fuel is never ever stored like that upstairs inside a building.

Jul. 21 2011 12:45 PM
DarkSymbolist from NYC!

Wow...this board is embarrassing today

Jul. 21 2011 12:45 PM
Joe from NJ

It's one thing to present your view as what *might* have happened - its quite another to *pretend* you *know* the whole truth. These people are dishonest - they are worse than 80% of the so called "truthers" who do not claim to *know* what happened, but merely point out that we still *don't know* what happened!!

Jul. 21 2011 12:40 PM
Joe from NJ

OMG! How absurd - senior firefighters would *know* that steel frame building as big as WTC 7 DO NOT collapse because of fires!

Such arrogance! Such ignorance.
Such illogical thinking.

Jul. 21 2011 12:39 PM

As one of the guests just noted following a listener, the most sobering element here may be the daily banality of misrepresentation — many people simply seeing things incompletely and then recalling inaccurately. How much of this do we experience _every_ day?

What is still more disturbing is the glib earnestness with which NPR or The New York Times simply repeated with NO critical eye whatsoever the assertions of Bush, Cheney, Rice, Blair, etc.

Jul. 21 2011 12:38 PM
DarkSymbolist from NYC!

@Joe

Um...they wouldn't?

Jul. 21 2011 12:37 PM
jpvideo from NJ

more bull. It was all a controlled demolition. Stop living in a fantasy world.

Jul. 21 2011 12:37 PM
building7 from ny

building 7! ask about Larry Silversteins comments to pull it

Jul. 21 2011 12:35 PM
john from office

To all the plotheads out there.

JFK was in one of the planes along with MLK

No Jews died in the holocaust

Wake up people.

Jul. 21 2011 12:34 PM
Amy from Manhattan

Or...if the CIA's finest agents got it wrong, **we need to know how that happened**, so the review that was requested should have been done! That's a reason to do it, not to turn it down!

Jul. 21 2011 12:31 PM

Ok forget the stories from fringe, why did president bush and vice president cheney testify together, with no transcript to the 911commission?

Jul. 21 2011 12:29 PM
Joe from NJ

Posers - the 9/11 commission couldn't get the truth - teh whole truth is still unknown. Explain WTC 7.

Jul. 21 2011 12:28 PM
Anonymous

I find the "inside job" theories offensive. The unspoken, perhaps subconscious subtext is that people from an exotic part of the world, with darker skin, aren't capable of pulling off such a huge plan. It's the same mistake we made before 9/11 happened, and we are doomed to repeat our mistakes if we continue wtih this mentality.

Jul. 21 2011 12:26 PM

We lived in DC on 9/11, and I remember watching a local station that was reporting the Washington Monument "seemed to have smoke coming form it." They came back later to explain that the "smoke" turned out to be a smudge on their camera lens.

Jul. 21 2011 12:24 PM

So why doesn't the fbi just release the video from the citco station across the street from the pentagon. Is there a reason why they confiscated them?

Jul. 21 2011 12:23 PM
PSlope from 11215

What was the name of the first person that was murdered on 9/11?

Jul. 21 2011 12:23 PM
Mr. Bad from IL

Osama Bin Laden, former CIA asset recently murdered in his Pakistani prison complex - whatever the truth was it died with him.

Jul. 21 2011 12:23 PM
Matt

What about John O'Neill? He was in the FBI, had info that there was an attack planned out of Hamburg, had studied Bin Laden for years and because of inter-bureau petty politics, was pretty much forced to retire. And unfortunately took a job as head of security of the towers.

Jul. 21 2011 12:23 PM
Mr. Bad from IL

What about the fake Osama video? Thermite dust present in the WTC dust taken directly from nearby apartments? Har har, andthe reichstag fire was set by jews too...

Jul. 21 2011 12:22 PM
Drew from Williamsburg

What about the all the precautions that were taken in Italy for the G7 meetings (I believe it was) regarding a threat that planes may be used as missiles to be flown into buildings and they actually set up anti aircraft guns? I remember that story from when it happened which was just prior to 9/11. Do they mention that?

Jul. 21 2011 12:22 PM
john from office

I saw both planes hit and lived 9/11.

How does the guest know what happened on board the plane, with her story about the first person to die??

Jul. 21 2011 12:22 PM
Oscar

Everyone knows that this crime was done by t..he zionist faction..they recruited young muslims and helpd them with everything..many in here also helped or lookd the other way..like sylverstine..after they killd all those muslims..

Jul. 21 2011 12:22 PM
Gabriel from NYC

Where is the footage from the Pentagon? I dislike conspiracy theories but I find it hard to believe the security cam footage is the only video available.

Also where was the wreckage from the plane? There is a lack of photographic evidence for this.

These are my questions. I don't have a particular need to believe the conspiracies. I just haven't had these questions adequately answered for myself.

Jul. 21 2011 12:20 PM
Jeff Pappas from Dumbo

I photographed 911, It happened in nyc. I saw the steel was aflame and knew they would collapse before they did.
www.jeffpappas.com
How come there arent many photos of the DC pentagon planes ?

Jul. 21 2011 12:19 PM
geo from astoria

Why did building 7 fall??

Jul. 21 2011 12:19 PM
yourgo from queens

Where is the plane wreckage at the Pentagon and at the Pennsylvania site?

Jul. 21 2011 12:17 PM

Do the guests think the flight that hit the pentagon could have really be piloted by a hack who couldn't fly a Cessna?

Jul. 21 2011 12:14 PM

What do the guests think of former senator, bob grahams book "intelligence matters?"
As well as his follow up which seems like a fictionalized version of the IM...

When I talk to folks about the information in the former book, people think its truther talk, till i tell them it was written by a former senator...

Jul. 21 2011 12:09 PM
Mike from US

Why are interviews with Alec Station and UBLU agents still classified almost ten years later?

Do these people not owe the public a credible explanation for bizarre pre-9/11 conduct?

Jul. 21 2011 03:31 AM

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