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Wednesday, June 29, 2011

WNYC's education reporter Beth Fertig looks at the school budget cuts and other education news, plus principals weigh in on their budget-cutting options.

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Comments [9]

James from The Bronx

@David,
I sympathize with you and am sure you are a good teacher, but at this point three years in, why don't you retrain in a shortage area like ESL or Special Ed? Surely your skills would come in handy in a new position in one of those areas.

Jun. 30 2011 12:01 AM
A NYC Principal from NYC

Just to answer your question--
If I excess a teacher because I don't have the funding, I cannot hire another teacher with that same license for one year + one day. So if I excess a 5th grade teacher with a common branches K-6 license, then I can't hire another person with a K-6 license for 1 year + 1 day. It hurts the school to do this, unless you are closing down a program (i.e. excessing a German teacher because you are closing down that language program).

For the record-- I wasn't listening while live on air. What principal has time for that? I'm way too busy meeting with teachers, allaying student fears about transition, and getting way too many reports done at this time of year.

Jun. 29 2011 10:42 PM
scott Bankey

I would like to see a breakdown on how much is spent on teacher and principal salaries set beside what is spent on Department of Education administrators. I have a feeling that teacher salaries are not the biggest issue.

Jun. 29 2011 04:38 PM
Mike from Manhattan

The talk about the last-in/first-out rule ignores why that rule was instituted in the first place. Principals were able to and did use non-educational reasons for firing teachers. Anyone who has spend time teaching in a school will probably be able to cite instances when a person's social relationship to a principal has not only given that person a better evaluation than was deserved, it also allowed the person to have classes with hand a picked group of well behaved students, who could be depended on to work hard and get good enough grades with minimal demands on the "teacher" to ensure the person appearing to be a successful teacher. If principals could, through preferential firing, many would turn their school's faculty into their own patronage mine. Cronyism hurts the children, it hurts the teaching profession and it hurts society. Last-in/first out was established to reduce the impact of cronyism.

Jun. 29 2011 11:38 AM
David from Brooklyn

I have been an ATR since 2007 after the school I had been teaching in for 15 years was closed. Since then I have worked in a different high school each year, always carrying a full load of 5 classes. In addition to a full schedule, I was expected to Sub, for no additional fee (appointed teachers get extra money when they cover classes). I have no Unsatisfactory marks on my employment record. Principals who want to hire me can't do so because I am at full salary. Licensed in English, French, and Music

Jun. 29 2011 11:32 AM
a. powell from Miami, Fl

I don't understand the NYC schools' having to pay a student's lunch bill. Here in Miami, if I forget to put money in the account, my kids do not eat that day.

Jun. 29 2011 11:24 AM
Peter from Manhattan

How about the ideologue Bloomberg raising the city income tax so we don't have to talk about this?

Jun. 29 2011 11:24 AM

why not lay off bosses and administrative staff?

Jun. 29 2011 10:14 AM
lg from Manhattan

I want to challenge Richard Hake's interpretation of the Chelsea High Schools teachers reaction to improved test scores.

He suggested that teachers are so afraid of or against being evaluations that they won't even take credit for student success.

I propose that they are honest professionals reacting in a manner that is consistent rather than self serving.

Once you have spent time in the classroom, you know that the results students achieve are their own. What works one year with one class may not reap the same results the next year. Teachers appropriately understand that their input plays only one part of the success of students. It's time that parents, administrators, legislators and the media start to understand that. Dumping all of the problems on education on teachers is a short sighted and ignorant way out.

Jun. 29 2011 09:39 AM

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