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Monday, June 13, 2011

Dan Abrams, legal analyst for Good Morning America and ABC News, as well as founder of the Abrams Media Network, discusses his new book, Man Down: Proof Beyond a Reasonable Doubt that Women are Better Cops, Drivers, Gamblers, Spies, World Leaders, Beer Tasters, Hedge Fund Managers and Just About Everything Else.

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Dan Abrams

Comments [42]

ktb

there would possibly be less need for combat/war if women were in power. the ambition discrepancy is culturally learned also, not some genetic imperative.

i always wondered if there would less violence depicted in film if there were more women directors/scriptwriters.

there is no guarantee of perfection if there were more women in power. there are differences and similarites in the sexes. all we are asking for is equal representation.

Jun. 14 2011 08:12 PM

I'm not sure how the commenter below crying sexism can claim that "men are being disempowered" when men occupy the vast majority of positions of power worldwide (and, as Abrams mentioned, are now the recipients of male "affirmative action" policies at elite schools).

Not to mention that women were marginalized for thousands of years, and have only been granted anything remotely resembling equality within the past 50 (and that only in some parts of the world). I think it's a bit soon for people like this commenter to start picking up the mantle of oppression.

Abrams' point is not to disparage men. It's to point up the disturbing truth that people still want male leaders, against all logic.

Jun. 14 2011 03:00 AM
ya'll are silly

Oh, come on! It's supposed to be funny. Quit taking yourselves so seriously.

Jun. 13 2011 11:05 PM
Sexism and survival bias ? from NYC


Most of the results that this book reports most likely suffers from a form of survival bias known as the "Desk Drawer" problem.

Consider an academic, up for tenure - or
perhaps already having tenure. If (s)he proposed a study to examine the REVERSE hypothesis - that men were superior in something - (s)he would get summarily kicked out of academia and be unemployed for a very long time.

If, somehow the study was approved by the research committee at the university in question, it is highly unlikely that it would be funded (typically by government grants).
It is also unlikely that such a study would ever be published (and would be cut down
if somehow it were).

Accusations of sexism or sexual misconduct are one of the VERY few things that will allow one to fire a fully tenured professor.

The risks and costs are too great for any comparable studies to look at the reverse of the guest's hypothesis.

This is the desk drawer problem.

It is a survival bias that distorts the value
of any of the reported results - even if
the small studies in question were well
designed.

Jun. 13 2011 09:56 PM
Is it SEXIST ? Reverse the gender and find out ! from A culture of misandry ?

Here's a quick way to find out if something is SEXIST ?

Reverse the gender and see what it sounds like. In our culture we are so used to grossly misandrist statements that we forget how offensive they are.

Try looking at various recent news stories,
headlines and laws. Try looking at today's guest on the show.

Imagine - if you can - if he tried to make similar statements about women - he'd be called a sexist bigot and shown the door.

More likely, he would never have been invited or published.

Furthermore, any academics who proposed similar studies - but looking at whether men were superior to women (reversing the genders in this story) - would have their tenure revoked and be fired in a storm of infamy.

So why is it acceptable when 50 % of the population are called "pigs" (see recent magazine covers) and inferior just because they are male ?

Why does minor expression of normal male sexuality result in widespread stigma and the destruction of these people's lives ?

Why does law grossly favor women ?

Why do men receive worse healthcare and die earlier ?

Why do men have higher conviction rates, and higher levels of punishment ?

Why does the median male make significantly less than the median female controlling for education, experience and
time at work ?

Nevertheless, public programs emphasize helping women - often at the expense of men - from education, to the public safety net, to government contracting.

Why do men get silenced and called sexist bigots when they object to such discrimination ?

Answer : Power.

Men have been disempowered.

Jun. 13 2011 09:53 PM
Tom from Long Island

Ah, the business of men bashing Men and saying Women are better at everything is alive and well.

Funny that so many men are making buck off this limited and narrow-minded niche...sort of ironic, no?

Jun. 13 2011 07:09 PM
Richard Johnston from Manhattan upper west side

An insight into the attitudes toward detail is in the story where the wife says "What time do we have to be at the party?" and the husband responds "If we leave in the next 15 minutes we're fine."

Jun. 13 2011 12:04 PM

Hannah from Bay Ridge, my and my husband's experience is the exact opposite of yours, I am good at what your husband does and my husband is good at what you do. So there. Anecdotes mean nothing.

Jun. 13 2011 11:55 AM
eva

"I notice he left CEO off that list of things women do better. Carly Fiorina and Patricia Russo can certainly go toe to toe with any man when it comes to being worst CEO ever.
Also a common canard is that women are more ethical but after Samantha Power decided to "pull a Colin Powell" and help Obama sell an imperialist bombing campaign against Africa I think we can see the ethics of the ruling class female are just as flimsy as any of the males."

Indeed. As women gain more power, they become as corrupt as men. It's power that corrupts, not XY chromosomes

Jun. 13 2011 11:48 AM
Mr. Bad from IL

One of the problems with this topic is how it avoids the "dark stuff" that actually make the world go 'round. Violence and its proper application is one good example, women generally have little experience with violence personally and often misjudge when and where to apply it and to what degree.

Women vote for warmongers more often and fail to understand when men are being "strong" as opposed to using "excessive force", this is especially true in the political sphere or when their own personal interests (family, $, security) are at stake.

It's easy to point to the sadistic cops we see in the news and label it a "testosterone" problem when it is in fact a social control issue - female officers are just as likely to keep the "thin blue line" intact, and male police officers in Britain for instance are much less likely to resort to deadly force, mostly because they don't feel the need to since guns aren't so plentiful.

Jun. 13 2011 11:47 AM
Mason from Queens

Just to remind folks: it was a woman who wrote the first computer program.

Jun. 13 2011 11:44 AM

To reference another book - The Gift of Fear - though fear is usually considered a negative - this book highlights how women tend to pay more attention to things which make them uneasy - whereas men override fear. Natural instinct can lead us in a better direction. Women, more readily taking cues from their environment, benefit.

Jun. 13 2011 11:44 AM
John from NYC

Risk-taking is necessary for development of human civilization. Women are careful and that is correct. But this is not a new theory. It is what Yin and Yang concept. That all of us whether male or female should have a balance of both.

Jun. 13 2011 11:44 AM
John from NYC

Risk-taking is necessary for development of human civilization. Women are careful and that is correct. But this is not a new theory. It is what Yin and Yang concept. That all of us whether male or female should have a balance of both.

Jun. 13 2011 11:43 AM
Maude

whoever said men are better drummers: one name: Janet Weiss, you dumbass.
jesus.

Jun. 13 2011 11:42 AM
Naomi from Brooklyn

Could it be possible that women are over-compensating for whatever disadvantages they have, and if given more power would feel less unsure of themselves?

Jun. 13 2011 11:41 AM
Hannah from Bay Ridge, Brooklyn

I have observed that my husband is much better than me at tackling a task in the home and getting it done quickly and well. I am always too concerned with my giant to-do list and all the other things a mother is thinking about (a typical multitasking woman) that I feel I sometimes get less done and expend more mental energy! Men can be much better at focusing on one thing and seeing it through. However, my husband wouldn't be able to fathom the complexity of meal-planning, shopping, food preparation, and managing leftovers and the contents of a fridge. Just for an example.

Jun. 13 2011 11:40 AM
asdf

worked top level at a ny based big four accounting/consulting firm.

most men testosterone driven, backwards looking dinosaurs; most women intelligent, forward looking innovators. nearly all at the top remain/ed men.

Jun. 13 2011 11:39 AM
Maine

Of course women have a higher pain threshold. We give birth for Pete's sake! No kidding...

Jun. 13 2011 11:38 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

Women get away with murder and infidelities far more so than men. They are more careful, sneakier, and lie much better.

Jun. 13 2011 11:38 AM
Debbie from nyc

Ist there any data to prove that women remain calmer when life's little annoyances arise (e.g. late train, crowd, dropped glass, someone accidentally bumping into you), or is that just my perception?

Jun. 13 2011 11:38 AM
asdf from

ps i'm a man

Jun. 13 2011 11:37 AM
Richard Johnston from Manahttan upper west side

There is a common misconception that men are too proud to ask directions when they are lost. The fact is that they like to figure things out. That's why they like to take things apart and put them back together.

Jun. 13 2011 11:37 AM
Ginny from NYC

Men speak and act more quickly based on emotion. Women are more likely to cry to release the emotion and then to come up with a rational, and therefore more appropriate and effective, response.

Jun. 13 2011 11:37 AM

What people say is important to them, even when they’re being honest, is often now what really matters to them.

The mind has a very limited perception of what the brain is doing.

Consider the study reported today in Science News “Teen Brain Data May Predict Pop Song Success”, showing how people’s brain waves are a much better indicator of song popularity than what people say they like.

Jun. 13 2011 11:36 AM
Keira

Actually, the fact that women wash their hands more than men after a visit to the restroom is far from a trivial thing. It is a major way that disease is spread, and an ongoing problem in our hospitals.

Jun. 13 2011 11:35 AM
JMS

The British scientists did research ( and a TV segement) on how different advances in various fields gave glimpses into gender differences.
One striking result was that when the same news segment was read by man or woman only the news read by the man was remembered. Showed the test. Refutes his comment that women and news are remembered more - in this case the information was not even processed when read by a woman.

Jun. 13 2011 11:34 AM
Rina from Sunnyside, Queens

I think this book would've been better if it were written by a woman. (Hee hee)

Jun. 13 2011 11:33 AM
William

As a man, my first reaction was to wonder if what the speaker is saying is sexist, but after thinking about it a little more, it's more complex than that. Men and women are raised vastly differently. This is more about how some of these virtues that women are supposedly better at are not valued in society quite as much. That is, if society were changed enough to treat women equally, we would also find more men taking those virtues more seriously, and the gap would probably lessen.

Jun. 13 2011 11:31 AM
Jesse from Westchester

I think Sarah Palin would be an exception to this study.

Jun. 13 2011 11:31 AM
Rob from manhattan

women are worst in committing suicides. 1999 there are 3 times more attempt suicides attempted by women but still men exceed women in successful exit 4:1. not much for practical aplications.

Jun. 13 2011 11:30 AM
John A.

Man, its so fun to be openly oppressed.
-- signed, a Man

Jun. 13 2011 11:30 AM
Rob from manhattan

women are worst in committing suicides. 1999 there are 3 times more attempt suicides attempted by women but still men exceed women in successful exit 4:1. not much for practical aplications.

Jun. 13 2011 11:29 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

Do women make better fathers than men?

Jun. 13 2011 11:23 AM
Tracy from NYC

Wow, Dan. Men are definitely going to come after you with pitch forks for this one...

Jun. 13 2011 11:02 AM
Mark

I notice he left CEO off that list of things women do better. Carly Fiorina and Patricia Russo can certainly go toe to toe with any man when it comes to being worst CEO ever.

Also a common canard is that women are more ethical but after Samantha Power decided to "pull a Colin Powell" and help Obama sell an imperialist bombing campaign against Africa I think we can see the ethics of the ruling class female are just as flimsy as any of the males.

Jun. 13 2011 10:28 AM

men are better risk takers

Jun. 13 2011 10:21 AM
gary from queens

Dan,

You lost me at ". . . . better drivers."

I know whereof I speak.

Jun. 13 2011 10:19 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

I'm sure adaptations can be made to compensate for some female shortcomings regarding battlefield combat. After all, most combat is no longer hand-to-hand. Most is ranged. I don't buy into the excuses. Female blood is just as red as men's.

Jun. 13 2011 10:18 AM

it's because men are thinking about sexting all day.

Jun. 13 2011 10:18 AM
Ron Sanecki from keyport nj

Female physiology IS different!
There ARE clear strengths and weaknesses in both sexes.
There are many many EQUALITIES!!
Grow up!
Get a life!

Jun. 13 2011 10:05 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

How about soldiers? When are women going to be the majority of frontline combat troops?

Jun. 13 2011 09:40 AM

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