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Closing Firehouses

Monday, June 06, 2011

Joe Flood, author of The Fires: How a Computer Formula, Big Ideas, and the Best of Intentions Burned Down New York City-and Determined the Future of Cities, discusses how the city chose which firehouses to close, and the budget pressures and battles over the FDNY.

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Comments [7]

Kevin from Staten Island

The issue regarding the Mayor's claim about the horse drawn companies is baseless.

The companies that were rendered superfoulous by the technological advancement of the internal combusted were closed many years ago.

For example
Engines 11,12,13,19,20,25,27,29,31,32,56,72(moved to the Bronx) And that isn't including the dozens of second sections (a second company of the same variety ie-two Engine companies or two Ladder companies) Were closed pre-1970s due to two changes, no horsedrawn appratus and a move away from industrial production in Lower Manhattan.

There has been no technological advancement to justify these closings and infact the populations in these areas have grown substantially and every company listed for closure is busier today than the year they opened...not one is running less.

The Mayor assumes everyone is ignorant of history so he can close fire companies to pay for his waste and fraud within his adminsitration.

Jun. 08 2011 10:15 AM
wkgreen from Park Slope

@Ben from Park Slope:
My understanding is that it is the engine co. at 11th St. that is closing. The firehouse is also home to a ladder co. there that will remain open. It is NOT the firehouse itself that will be closed.

Do we need both companies there? I don't know. It would be good if the media would focus on what the difference is and what the public safety implications actually will be.

Jun. 06 2011 11:05 AM
Todd from NY NY

It comes down to population, response times, and coverage - if there is a house fire or an MVA (Motor Vehicle Accident) with a fuel fire on Citi Island - on a Sunday in the summer - where & how long will it take to get a Company on to the island if there is no House on the Island as proposed. How about during a winter blizzard - how long would it take to respond? - I would bet much much longer than now, with the probability of greater property damage & possibility of loss of life... Some things make sense in closing, I am not sure it is fire houses with the way our city has developed.

Jun. 06 2011 10:49 AM
John from NYC

For a future topic, what about the elimination of the Office of the Borough President for the five boroughs. Looking at
SeeThroughNY, the aggregate annual payroll is about $20 million. What real service is being provided? Redeploy some of the personnel to the 311 system.
http://www.seethroughny.net/

Jun. 06 2011 10:40 AM
Amy from Manhattan

Maybe Bloomberg's comment on the days when horses pulled fire engines was supposed to mean that modern fire engines are faster & roads are bigger, but we also have more congestion these days. I've seen emergency vehicles have trouble getting through traffic even though drivers are making efforts to get out of their way. What effect would that have on which/whether firehouses should be closed?

Jun. 06 2011 10:38 AM
Jeff Pappas from Ct.

Leave it to a Billionaire Mayor to cut basic services. The phrase, "A government For the People , By the people......", Seems so Quaint

Jun. 06 2011 10:15 AM
Ben from Park Slope

I wish people would remain calm around this whole issue of closing firehouses. It seems a rational decision to me.

I live in Park Slope, where we have a firehouse on Union St. and another one on 11th St., which they are closing. It's less than a mile away. I would much rather the city close the firehouse on 11th Street than lay off our teachers.

Would I rather have a fire engine at my house 90 seconds earlier if I have a heart attack? Of course. But money is not infinite and we need to cut somewhere. And those are a lot of large pensions.

Please move onto another issue.

Jun. 06 2011 10:08 AM

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