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What's Really Behind's Bloomberg's Gay Marriage Pitch?

Friday, May 27, 2011 - 03:44 PM

Tucked inside Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s same-sex speech earlier this week were two specific arguments in support of making New York the sixth state in the country to recognize same-sex marriage. The first was the most common argument heard from supporters of same-sex marriages: It is, if not the biggest, certainly one of the most important civil rights issues of our generation.

“That desire for equal standing in society is extraordinarily powerful and it has led to extraordinary advances in American freedom,” the mayor said. “The time has come for us to fulfill the dreams that exploded onto Sheridan Square 42 years ago: to allow thousands of men and women to become full members of the American family, and to take the next step on the inspired journey our founding fathers first began.”

This, though, wasn’t Bloomberg’s only pitch. The billionaire mayor also made the case for cash when it comes to same-sex couples. "As other states recognize the rights of same-sex couples to marry, we cannot stand by and watch. To do so would be to betray our civic values and history – and it would harm our competitive edge in the global economy," he said. "This is an issue of democratic principles – but make no mistake, it carries economic consequences."

But does gay marriage provide a fiscal benefit to those state’s where it’s legal? The Williams Institute at the UCLA School of Law has argued the case in a number of states. According to their research Rhode Island—which recently passed a law allowing civil unions—would expect $1.2 million in additional funds for the state in the three years after legalizing gay marriage. Colorado, too, would see a fiscal benefit, to the tune of $4.8 million over the same time period. Our neighbors to the west would see New Jersey’s coffers injected with an estimated $15.1 million.

Additionally, the New York State Senate Independent Democratic Conference put out a report earlier this year that estimated same-sex marriages generating nearly $400 million in additional economic activity for the state. But not everyone buys the same-sex marriage math in New York. State Senator John Bonacic of Mount Hope in Orange County told The Capitol Pressroom’s Susan Arbetter earlier this week that same-sex couples would ultimately be a drain on state resources.

“I think the gay-marriage advocates will say anything to propel this for approval, but in my mind, this is an economic issue, it’s not about allowing them to be together,” Bonacic was reported saying. He said the increased draws from unemployment, disability and inheritance benefits would be an “economic hit” on the state.

The debate about how much economic benefit legalizing same-sex marriages in New York will have might be in doubt, but Bloomberg’s libertarian message will do more than add dollars and cents to the argument. By providing intellectual cover for those Republican senators he’s been targeting, Bloomberg’s conservative argument for gay marriage might keep the fence-sitters from feeling like they’ll have to fall on their swords.

“Conservatives also believe that government should not stand in the way of free markets and private associations – including contracts between consenting parties,” Bloomberg said in his speech. “And that’s exactly what marriage is: a contract, a legal bond, between two adults who vow to support one another, in sickness and in health."

Bloomberg’s logic, and his status as the consummate business man, could help swing enough Rs into the “Aye” camp for gay marriage to pass. Supporters are certainly hoping so, as the legislation is dead in the water in the Republican-controlled chamber unless a small minority of the majority subscribe to Bloomberg’s market-based logic.

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Chris Hetzelt (-Pretzel.) from Concord, N.H. 03301.


June 30, 2011, in retrospect......Bingo !

Blog on a Billionare- Conscences Builder

who is also the Mayor of Our Biggest City.

was it, the Liberatarianism ?-(spell.) Just

bringing Republicans to the Table, on

privacy in personal lives creeds. What is

My Point ? Well, I have been Financially

Motivated to make Maximum Positive

Impact with My Ten Medical Theories

selling to the President. Yes, I am

Joyous to realize how I can Positively

Impact People that suffer with Diseases

and Loved Ones Who Lose Them

Too Soon, of course. But I also know

what I'm bringing to the Market, I hand

picked the seven deadliest cancers. ( I

messed-up on the missing # 6.) - for me

to study, plus; AIDS, Heart Disease, and

Alzheimer's. I am No Authority on God,

so how things align ? - I Try My Best !

I really want to be a Philanthropist !

Thank You, Mayor Micheal Bloomberg.

Jun. 30 2011 07:09 PM
Chris Hetzelt (-Pretzel.)


Right on, Bloomberg., an Awesome

Mayor, ! - ...... Gay People Rock ! --

Everyone that I've gotten to know.

This Blog is by; Chris Hetzelt (-Pretzel)

May. 29 2011 11:04 AM
Roger

@KateOHanlan MD

A "phobia" is correctly defined as an "irrational fear! What's irrational about the following?

Pro-gay advocacy DEPENDS for its legitimacy on the fact that Americans and New Yorkers will not read the considerable evidence against gay marriage!

As to sexually transmitted diseases, Reasons 10, 11, 12 and 13 in the online article "Is Cuomo Ignoring the Evidence Against Gay Marriage?" illustrate that the issue of infection and transmission has persisted in greater numbers over 23 years in the USA. Why so?

As to "safe sex", Kate (MD?) will ignore that the inevitable conclusion that it is the behavior, rather than the absence or presence of a condom, that is "unsafe". To deny this, Kate would have had to refute the following statement: ""...The Surgeon General has said, "... Condoms provide some protection, but anal intercourse is simply too dangerous a practice...." ("Condoms and sexually transmitted diseases, especially AIDS": Article 7, FDA document 90-4239).

Regarding "minority status" (which she will gravitate too soon), Kate will ... ignore ... the extensive submissions by lawyer Roger j. Magnuson in his response at Reason 2 of 17 in the online article "Is Cuomo Ignoring the Evidence Against Gay Marriage?"

Regarding "civil rights", Kate will have to respond to Robert Regier and Daniel Garcia's "Homosexuality is Not a Civil Right" ( http://www.crrange.com/wall34.html ) in terms that are more objective and specific than "You homophobe!". But is this feasible?

Regarding "sexual orientation", Kate (MD?) will ... ignore ... her colleague Dr. Paul McHugh's conclusions in "Surgical Sex"( http://www.policystudies.ca/documents/Surgical_Sex_Change.pdf ) ! But, on such a serious issue, does ignorance equate to 'bliss"? How does Kate (MD?) feel about the last paragraph ... the last sentence ... of that treatment?

Regarding "coming out of homosexuality", Kate (MD?) will ... ignore ... the fact that her colleague Dr. Jeffrey Satinover in "Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth" outlines spiritual and medical treatments for same-sex-attraction-disorders in chapters 11 and 12, anf further refers in Table 7 to FIFTEEN secular outcome-studies that have have recoreded success rates as high as 82%.

But ... Kate (MD?) will ignore these facts!

Dr. Satinover called it "... denial so intense that self-examination is entirely precluded ..."

May. 28 2011 07:24 PM

Roger: Your point that MSM's have unsafe sex is well made.
So, explain how 5 million unintended pregnancies happen every year. Discuss how straight people kill one third of them, and deliver the rest of the children into unstable households deserted by the father.
Explain how in the United States over 10 million women are infected by men with the HPV virus, causing high-grade pre-cancer in 300,000, and 15,000 cases of cervical cancer, of whom one third die annually. Women get 600,000 cases of chlamydia and 150,000 cases of gonorrhea, causing sterility and even death in many cases.
It is not the sexual orientation of the vector, it is the unsafe exposure, you homophobe.

May. 28 2011 01:47 PM
Kate O'Hanlan, MD from San Francisco, CA

Roger: Your point that MSM's have unsafe sex is well made.
So, explain how 5 million unintended pregnancies happen every year. Discuss how straight people kill one third of them, and deliver the rest of the children into unstable households deserted by the father.
Explain how in the United States over 10 million women are infected by men with the HPV virus, causing high-grade pre-cancer in 300,000, and 15,000 cases of cervical cancer, of whom one third die annually. Women get 600,000 cases of chlamydia and 150,000 cases of gonorrhea, causing sterility and even death in many cases.
It is not the sexual orientation of the vector, it is the unsafe exposure, you homophobe.

May. 28 2011 01:42 PM
Kastie Murphy - ex cath family from Chicago

Opponents of gay marriage are the same type of cretins who opposed blacks marrying because it would destroy the sanctity of marriage and the sanctity of the white race (until 1987), opposed women voting (it would destroy the family), and of course use the same arguments re gay marriage.

And who are these people - those who support the most vicious of the right wing religiions - the southern style evangelicals/baptists who gave us slavery, the kkk, and segregation. typically the same people who kiss the butt of hate groups like FRC and NOM and AFA.

Btw, re FRC, its founder, George Reker, also head of the so called national association for treatment of homosexuality was recently caught taking a gay college student prostitute with him to Europe on a two week vacation. Cost of a male "escort" from rentboy.com for a two week period is about $15000. And the boy - JoVanni Roman, admitted his job was to give Reker massages on his private parts.

Also the key people at FRC - Tony Perkins is a known associate of Kluxer David Duke. Both Perkins and Spriggs, #2 at fRC were LA legislators in one of hte most hatefull states in the country. Spriggs never admits he is a baptist minister - the baptists having been the people who gave AmeriKKKa slavery, the KKK and segregation.

And of course the catholic church - of Adolph hitler still not excommunicated./ and the German born pope who in 2009 UNexcommunciated a bishop Williamson, who is aa holocaust denier kicked out of the church of england.

To say nothing of the endless hidden sexual molestation of children by tthte catholic , and yes southern baptist churches (google "southern Baptists and child molestation"

the catholic church hid for centuries the endless molestation of children, and moved God only knows how many thousands of known molesting priests to new locations, where unknown they continued their vile crimes while bringing in the money.

http://jurist.org/paperchase/2011/01/milwaukee-archdiocese-files-for-bankruptcy.php Jan 2011

http://www.philadelphiadistrictattorney.com/images/Grand_Jury_Report.pdf this is link to Philadelphia grand jury report on catholic church abuse

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/thousands-raped-in-irelands-christian-brothers-schools-14308329.html

Also google christian brothers Ireland for more horror stories about the catholic church and child victims

www.catholicarrogance.org www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm

May. 28 2011 11:11 AM
Kastie Murphy - ex cath family from Chicago

Opponents of gay marriage are the same type of cretins who opposed blacks marrying because it would destroy the sanctity of marriage and the sanctity of the white race (until 1987), opposed women voting (it would destroy the family), and of course use the same arguments re gay marriage.

And who are these people - those who support the most vicious of the right wing religiions - the southern style evangelicals/baptists who gave us slavery, the kkk, and segregation. typically the same people who kiss the butt of hate groups like FRC and NOM and AFA.

Btw, re FRC, its founder, George Reker, also head of the so called national association for treatment of homosexuality was recently caught taking a gay college student prostitute with him to Europe on a two week vacation. Cost of a male "escort" from rentboy.com for a two week period is about $15000. And the boy - JoVanni Roman, admitted his job was to give Reker massages on his private parts.

Also the key people at FRC - Tony Perkins is a known associate of Kluxer David Duke. Both Perkins and Spriggs, #2 at fRC were LA legislators in one of hte most hatefull states in the country. Spriggs never admits he is a baptist minister - the baptists having been the people who gave AmeriKKKa slavery, the KKK and segregation.

And of course the catholic church - of Adolph hitler still not excommunicated./ and the German born pope who in 2009 UNexcommunciated a bishop Williamson, who is aa holocaust denier kicked out of the church of england.

To say nothing of the endless hidden sexual molestation of children by tthte catholic , and yes southern baptist churches (google "southern Baptists and child molestation"

the catholic church hid for centuries the endless molestation of children, and moved God only knows how many thousands of known molesting priests to new locations, where unknown they continued their vile crimes while bringing in the money.

http://jurist.org/paperchase/2011/01/milwaukee-archdiocese-files-for-bankruptcy.php Jan 2011

http://www.philadelphiadistrictattorney.com/images/Grand_Jury_Report.pdf this is link to Philadelphia grand jury report on catholic church abuse

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/thousands-raped-in-irelands-christian-brothers-schools-14308329.html

Also google christian brothers Ireland for more horror stories about the catholic church and child victims

www.catholicarrogance.org www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm

May. 28 2011 11:09 AM
Roger

The challenge in these threads is to stay focused, understand that most if not all pro-gay-marriage arguments are more emotionally- and opinion-driven than evidence-based!

The online article "New York Rejects Gay Marriage 2011" illustrates 27 Reasons ... 17 stated explicitly ... why New York will reject gay marriage in 2011 and 2012.

It is evidence-based!

May. 28 2011 10:27 AM
cd from niagara falls

I absolutely agree with Bill, could an anti-gay representative seriously stand in front of a gay person and say they aren't worthy enough to get married? They aren't enough of a "person" in the US to even get that right?

It's disgusting to see how single-minded some generations are, gay marriage WILL PREVAIL because it is what's RIGHT in our nation. It is against the bill of rights to deny them this opportunity.

To hint gay marriage will lead to a "drain in the system", that's absolutely ridiculous. How about the THOUSANDS of (straight) people on welfare who are too lazy to get off their couch and get a REAL job. THOSE people are draining the system, but are they any less of a person than a full time working gay person? No. I'd like to believe that there's a difference in class (gay people being classier, of course), however in no way would I say they're any less of a "person".. To claim gay people aren't worthy of such a privilege truly saddens me, the next generation won't stand for this. So even if this fails, it WILL come up continuously until a more accepting generation comes along. And I truly believe that will be in a couple years when the rest of us become legal. We will not stand for such bigotry and ignorance.

This is coming from a straight 18 year old New Yorker, isn't it good to see my generation was raised right?

May. 28 2011 10:12 AM
Jos. A. Mustich from Washington, CT

It's time.
Cheers, Joe Mustich
CT Justice of the Peace

May. 28 2011 07:58 AM
Steve

"Our neighbors to the west would see New Jersey’s coffers injected with an estimated $15.1 million."

I've lived in New York City for 13 years now with my gay partner. But I'm originally from Syracuse where I grew up. From that (Syracuse) perspective New Jersey is to the south. In fact, as far as the state of New York lies geographically, by-and-large, NJ is south of NY. The author must be NYC centric while talking about a NY state-wide law (gay marrige). So much for "geo-equality", to coin a word? As if anything is above NYC and Long Island, it is not New York state!

So, now I know - NJ lies to the west of New York state. I thought Ohio did (and not PA though you have Erie, PA in its panhandle). Strange, these New Yorkers as if they are the whole state!

May. 28 2011 07:34 AM
ziko from bangladesh

no comment. i just want a life partner

May. 28 2011 02:07 AM
Roger

Focus, David ... focus!

Why should 99.99% of the heterosexual population be concerned about same-sex-attraction-disorders?

Homosexuality as psycho-sexual/mental disorder sets itself up as the ONLY disorder ever so identified to depend for its existence and legitimacy on the destruction of core creation-structures dear to the Judeo-Christian ethos; manhood, womanhood, family, sex, marriage ...

A stunning amount of duplicity and ... intellectual mischief ... has hitherto been brought to bear to defend this "lifestyle". The online article "New York Rejects Gay Marriage 2011" illustrates 27 Reasons ... 17 explicitly ... why New York will reject gay marriage in 2011 and 2012.

It is evidence-based!

May. 28 2011 12:49 AM

One really has to wonder why people like Roger are so absolutely obsessed with homosexuality? 99.999% of straight people couldn't care less about gay people. I'm beginning to think that Roger has "come out of homosexuality" himself.

Most of the information you're presenting is SO unbelievably biased (supplied by discredited doctors and anti-gay organizations) and SO out of date (30 year old research), no one in their right mind would take it seriously. Gay to straight success rates of 82%? Give me a break. If that were true it would be on the front page of every newspaper in America. Here's how it works: You've get a bunch of self-loathing (religious) gay people desperate to be straight. You have them do "straight acting" exercises to reclaim their masculinity. Then they all say they're now straight. One year later, all of them have either fallen off the wagon or killed themselves. But you still get to claim that 82% of them were straight. It's a big lie that has been exposed dozens of times before.

What "sex change operations" have to do with homosexuality is anyone's guess. That's sexual identity, not orientation. -- Two things to note: 1/4 of straight couples engage in sodomy AND not all gay couples do. Surprisingly, it is not a requirement to being gay. We can all agree that unprotected sex is bad for straights and gays: resulting in unplanned pregnancy and/or sexually transmitted diseases. Straights are not exactly disease free by the way. Yet, oddly enough, they would still have the right to marry each other even if they had AIDS, herpes, cancer, what have you.

I just read a snippet from ""Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth". It was located on the discredited NARTH website. ALL of the sources for the article were from the years 1989 through 1992. Twenty year old (anti-gay) research regarding human sexuality is absolutely worthless. That fact that people like you won't acknowledge that, speaks volumes. Sexual orientation has already been proven immutable by brain scan research, identical twin research, in utero hormone research, pheromone research, and birth order studies.

May. 28 2011 12:28 AM
Roger

@David0296 ... sorry, David, it just gets worse!

Pro-gay advocacy DEPENDS for its legitimacy on the fact that Americans and New Yorkers will not read the considerable evidence against gay marriage!

As to sexually transmitted diseases, Reasons 10, 11, 12 and 13 in the online article "Is Cuomo Ignoring the Evidence Against Gay Marriage?" illustrate that the issue of infection and transmission has persisted in greater numbers over 23 years in the USA..

As to "safe sex", David will ignore that the inevitable conclusion that it is the behavior, rather than the absence or presence of a condom, that is "unsafe". To deny this, David would have had to refute the following statement: ""...The Surgeon General has said, "... Condoms provide some protection, but anal intercourse is simply too dangerous a practice...." ("Condoms and sexually transmitted diseases, especially AIDS": Article 7, FDA document 90-4239).

Regarding "minority status", David will ... ignore ... the extensive submissions by lawyer Roger j. Magnuson in his response at Reason 2 of 17 in the online article "Is Cuomo Ignoring the Evidence Against Gay Marriage?"

Regarding "civil rights", David will have to respond to Robert Regier and Daniel Garcia's "Homosexuality is Not a Civil Right" ( http://www.crrange.com/wall34.html ) in terms that are more objective and specific than "You Lie!". But is this feasible?

Regarding "sexual orientation", David will ... ignore ... Dr. Paul McHugh's conclusions in "Surgical Sex"( http://www.policystudies.ca/documents/Surgical_Sex_Change.pdf ) ! But, on such a serious issue, does ignorance equate to 'bliss"? How does David feel about the last paragraph ... the last sentence ... of that treatment?

Regarding "coming out of homosexuality", David will ... ignore ... the fact that Dr. Jeffrey Satinover in "Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth" outlines spiritual and medical treatments for same-sex-attraction-disorders in chapters 11 and 12, anf further refers in Table 7 to FIFTEEN secular outcome-studies that have habe recoreded success rates as high as 82%.

But ... David will ignore these facts! Dr. Satinover called it "... denial so intense that self-examination is entirely precluded ..."

May. 27 2011 07:57 PM

Did it ever cross Roger's mind that if you promote monogamous long-term relationships (marriage), that it will reduce the incidence of sexually transmitted diseases? By the way, the only thing those stats point out is that some (NOT ALL) gay men aren't practicing safe-sex, when obviously they should be. This doesn't mean that they don't deserve the same civil rights as their heterosexual counterparts. Unwed single mothers accounts for 40% of all births in this country. Does that mean women (or those women in particular) don't deserve all the civil rights our Constitution guarantees them? Of course not.

I just finished reading the preposterously homophobic "Homosexuality is Not a Civil Right". Sponsored by the SPLC certified hate group, the Family Research Council, no less. Big shocker. I love how it uses statistics from 1987, 1989, 1993, as though they have ANY validity in 2011. I'm not sure when I've read such a huge pile of bigotry and lies:

"Homosexuals are the only group to claim minority status based on behavior."
Lie #1: Homosexuality is a sexual orientation, not a behavior. Is heterosexuality a behavior? Of course not.

"Perhaps the biggest indicator that homosexuality is not genetic or immutable is the existence of thousands of people who have come out of the homosexuality."
Lie #2: Living the "straight lifestyle", doesn't mean you're not gay. It just means you're a good actor. Even Exodus admitted that they can't change anyone's sexual orientation. They can only help people try to suppress their innate feelings.

May. 27 2011 06:41 PM
adx

It consummately boggles my mind to hear anyone argue *against* this economically, NO MATTER the outcome. Even to *hint*, for a millisecond, that gay couples would be a "drain on the state" absolutely makes the jaw drop. And ... straight couples? You were saying? So you're saying that we should GET RID OF marriage, not that we should exclude gay couples. We don't talk about straight couples being a drain on the state, and if gay couples are, then straight couples are to an *exponentially larger degree*, if anti-gay arguments about "half of one percent of the population is gay" are to be believed. If anyone has the jaw-dropping idiocy to complain about an economic downside, please get an IQ and a brain and realize that this is an argument AGAINST marriage, period.

May. 27 2011 06:02 PM
Norman from Los Angeles

Roger-come out of the closet-actually, stay in-we dont want you
Bigot, granting people the rights they are entitled to will do nothing in terms of increasing or decreasing HIV-as the bigots who learned in the 80s that AIDS is not just a gay disease, it is, in fact, a human disease and millions of HUMANS-gay and straight-die from it
Speaking of which, can you please die off soon so equality can be achieved? Thank you

May. 27 2011 06:01 PM
Roger

The Mayor is not as informed ... or as forthcoming ... as New Yorkers would hope him to be!

The lesson of Sheridan Square is best characterized by lawyer Roger J. Magnuson's commentary about a "craven capitulation to the power of the mob" in his book "Are Gay Rights Right? Making Sense of the Controversy!"

And if that were not enough to impugn the Mayor's motives, consider his decision to the cutting of Teachers' and Firemen's jobs "to save a buck" when the Mayor KNOWS that the CDC has predicted that the city/stater/country will be paying through its nose in the foreseeable future through the institutionalization of a behaviour that has serious personal and social consequences!

How do we know this? Look no further than the CDC's "FastFacts for HIV/AIDS
" in its September 2010 issue. These four points appear to have been studiously downplayed by the Mayor:

1. MSM (Men who have Sex with Men) account for nearly half of the more than one million people living with HIV in the U.S. (48%, or an estimated
532,000 total persons).

2. MSM account for more than half of all new HIV infections in the U.S. each year (53%, or an estimated 28,700 infections).

3. While CDC estimates that MSM account for just 4 percent of the U.S. male population aged 13 and older, the rate of
new HIV diagnoses among MSM in the U.S. is more than 44 times that of other men (range: 522–989 per 100,000
MSM vs. 12 per 100,000 other men).

4. MSM are the only risk group in the U.S. in which new HIV infections are increasing. While new infections have
declined among both heterosexuals and injection drug users, the annual number of new HIV infections among MSM
has been steadily increasing since the early 1990s.

Now, ad nauseam, and regarding "civil rights", we refer the Mayor, Governor ... and their "supporters" ... to the article "Homosexuality is Not a Civil Right" by Regier and Garcia!

Now consider the online article "Is Cuomo Ignoring the Evidence Against Gay Marriage?" There are 27 distinct reasons listed why New York will reject gay "marriage"!

Gay-advocacy may be based on a nothing more significant that a tall, wide, distinct pile of ... intellectual dishonesty!

Either that ... or the Mayor will tell us how he intends to fund the medical costs for a behavior he is attempting to institutionalize through "marriage"!

May. 27 2011 05:45 PM
Roger

The Mayor is not as informed ... or as forthcoming ... as New Yorkers would hope him to be!

The lesson of Sheridan Square is best characterized by lawyer Roger J. Magnuson's commentary about a "craven capitulation to the power of the mob" in his book "Are Gay Rights Right? Making Sense of the Controversy!"

And if that were not enough to impugn the Mayor's motives, consider his decision to the cutting of Teachers' and Firemen's jobs "to save a buck" when the Mayor KNOWS that the CDC has predicted that the city/stater/country will be paying through its nose in the foreseeable future through the institutionalization of a behaviour that has serious personal and social consequences!

How do we know this? Look no further than the CDC's "FastFacts for HIV/AIDS
" in its September 2010 issue. These four points appear to have been studiously downplayed by the Mayor:

1. MSM (Men who have Sex with Men) account for nearly half of the more than one million people living with HIV in the U.S. (48%, or an estimated
532,000 total persons).

2. MSM account for more than half of all new HIV infections in the U.S. each year (53%, or an estimated 28,700 infections).

3. While CDC estimates that MSM account for just 4 percent of the U.S. male population aged 13 and older, the rate of
new HIV diagnoses among MSM in the U.S. is more than 44 times that of other men (range: 522–989 per 100,000
MSM vs. 12 per 100,000 other men).

4. MSM are the only risk group in the U.S. in which new HIV infections are increasing. While new infections have
declined among both heterosexuals and injection drug users, the annual number of new HIV infections among MSM
has been steadily increasing since the early 1990s.

Now, ad nauseam, and regarding "civil rights", we refer the Mayor, Governor ... and their "supporters" ... to the article "Homosexuality is Not a Civil Right" by Regier and Garcia!

Now consider the online article "Is Cuomo Ignoring the Evidence Against Gay Marriage?" There are 27 distinct reasons listed why New York will reject gay "marriage"!

Gay-advocacy may be based on a nothing more significant that a tall, wide, distinct pile of ... intellectual dishonesty!

Either that ... or the Mayor will tell us how he intends to fund the medical costs for a behavior he is attempting to institutionalize through "marriage"!

May. 27 2011 05:44 PM
Bill

Listening to heterosexuals talk about this as an economic issue and not one of basic human rights gives us gays some kind of clue as to why heterosexuals have been such utter failures at marriage and family.

Offensive.

This is about civil rights.

A financial report is not required for citizens to be granted what is theirs to being with.

May. 27 2011 04:24 PM

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