Jonathan Franzen Mans Up

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When guests come into Studio 360 and get settled, I tend to have a bit of friendly small talk with them before we start the Official Interview. But as Jonathan Franzen and I chit-chatted earlier this week as we prepared to talk about his terrific new novel Freedom, one bit of that talk wasn't so small. When I passingly, joshingly used the verb phrase 'to man up,' it struck a nerve.