Open Thread: Sarah Palin Criticizes 'Blood Libel'

Wednesday, January 12, 2011

Early Wednesday morning, Sarah Palin released a video response to the tragedy in Tucson. In her first extended remarks since Saturday's attack, she condemned the debate about violent political rhetoric that's followed.

"Journalists and pundits should not manufacture a blood libel that serves only to incite the very hatred and violence that they purport to condemn. That is reprehensible," she said.

Watch the video below, and tell us: what do you make of Palin's response?


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Comments [61]

Ron Raphael from Flairon District of Manhattan

Well, there she goes again.It seems that she just,either is so stupid that she doesn't understand what she is saying or she doesn't care. I come down on the side of not caring, as I don't think that she is stupid person, just uncaring.

Jan. 13 2011 11:11 AM
Bobby G from East Village

As a Jewish-American who lived next door to a matzo bakery for twelve years I, frankly, wish Ms. Palin had not used the term "blood libel."

Jan. 13 2011 01:26 AM
Brandt from Clarksville, TN

Way to go Sarah by stoking the fire even more with an anti-semitic remark. Instead of smiling and nodding while talking about murders and national tragedies, try having some humility. I was compelled to create a visual commentary of her political rhetoric and its effects on my artist's blog at Drop by and let me know what you think.

Jan. 12 2011 09:01 PM
Nofar from Brooklyn

I understand why they want to blame Palin but honestly you have to blame the media in general, that is what has become both sides are just always attacking eachother representing their opponent as the lowest of low. It is not surprising that someone will hear and see all the different mediums and think that he is doing something right by killing Rep. Gifford.

Jan. 12 2011 08:38 PM
EOC from NJ

Palin is correct. There is no reason whatsoever to even remotely connect her or anyone else to the recent killings. Will we ever get back to a time when individuals are responsible for their own actions.

We played with toy guns as kids, played Cowboys and Indians, pretended to kill the Japs and Germans who lurked in our back yards. Were exposed to a fair amount of racism. None of my friends from the neighborhood grew up killers, they understand the pitfalls of racism and are all around good solid people.

All I can say is STOP BEING STUPID.

Jan. 12 2011 05:29 PM
R.Thornhill from NYC

When your speech and actions fan flames of intolerance and hatred, you cannot assume the harvest that will reap from the seeds you have sown. Those that speak the language of hate must understand the consequences of their ill will. It is time that we open our eyes to what truly lies behind such platforms, however masked they may be. Sadly, this was another missed opportunity to cease additional rhetoric. I pray that our country will begin to understand our great need to come together and move ahead as a unified people.

Jan. 12 2011 03:42 PM
Jonas P. from NYC

I find this video a disgraceful display of self-promotion! How dare Palin use this as a kick-off for her 2012 Presidential Campaign! Using the flag and the fireplace is a typically art directed set and so overtly "campaign-like". Do those behind this honestly think that we don't see through this? By using this recent tragedy to put forth your agenda - or shall I say the agenda of those whose voice you are the mouthpiece for - you are dishonoring the lives of the victims of the Arizona shooting and the people of the United States who expect a more dignified response to this disaster than a campaign kick-off! . Despite the improvement in the rhythm of your speech (a nod and a wink to your coaches), the true Palin mind still comes shining through! Spare us the insult and never put yourself on the same level of those whose wisdom, education, intent and compassion are of a caliber you can never achieve.

Jan. 12 2011 03:14 PM
Jack Jackson from Central New Jersey

Sarah was just blowing the same dog-whistle that Breitbart had already used. That neither one of them knew the precise historical context of the 'note' they would hit is not surprising. It sounded good at the time. Just like thinking that swastikas look cool or burning crosses only symbolize 'muscular christianity'.

These folks are too dumb to lead a movement and should have their megaphones turned down so fewer people can hear their BS.

Jan. 12 2011 02:51 PM
Nick from Spellchecker USA

I spellt speach wrong. I really want a peach, and got it confused.


Jan. 12 2011 02:05 PM
Nick from Central Noo Jersey

I actually had an inkling of a feeling that Palin was going to admit that both sides use too much incediary rhetoric and that she was going to be the better person by calling for it to stop. WRONG!

I call that a brief lapse of reality on my part. I forgot that she is part of a marketing machine that produces millions of votes for the "new" republican party. Her job is to say crazy things that pull people farther right. So why would she be the better person? Why would she do anything other than make a ludicrous semi-moronic speach that is just as incendiary as anything that she has said before? What good came of this speach? She's offended the entire US Jewish population, unfortunately, I don't think that is enough. She won't go down until someone finds her smoking crystal meth with Osama bin Laden and Kim Jong IL. That's it. They love her and they will continue to love her until she makes some kind of catastrophic mess of herself in a hypocritical Ted Haggard style debaucle. In fact, I don't think the far right and her followers would react strongly if she said something like "she got was she deserved". I really don't think they would care.

Jan. 12 2011 02:03 PM
Ron from NYC-Manhattan

I feel that the shooting of Ms. Giffords and all the others that were shot in Arizona ranks as one of the mosy heinous crimes that this country has ever experienced. After all, LBJ wasn't shot and G.W. Bush wasn't shot (although there were many people who wished they were dead (and this rhetoric is not good in either case). Ronald Reagan was shot and The Kennedys ,Martin Luther King were all killed. This goes to show the indiscriminate way that "targets" are chosen. The right now has picketing public schools, picketing soldiers funerals and disrupting town hall meeting, held by politicians with whom they disagree are but a few of the violent things that the right is guilty of.

Keith Olberman and Rachel Maddow (on MSNBC), although on the far left, were very restrained, although very angry with the happenings. Rush Limbaugh and others on the far right such as Sarah Palin should have showed such restraint.

Gun laws should be freely spoken of and condemned frequenly and publicly despite the Supreme Court ruling of the rite to bare arms being legal. After all, so is free speech.

i feel that the shooting of Gaby Gifford

Jan. 12 2011 01:52 PM
BT from Queens

Few people realize that anyone can be committed to a psychiatric hospital based solely on the opinion of two psychiatrists who agree that the person presents -- a potential threat -- to themselves or others. There is no trial, no evidence presented, no judge involved -- to temporarily take away a citizen's freedom. So the power to deal with an insane potential assassin is readily available and often applied without much fanfare.

In so many cases, such as: Lee Harvey Oswald, the shooting at Virginia Tech and so many, many more, the shooter was known to be acting in a potentially dangerous manner. Some were even "in the system" having already been in psychiatric care, or known to the police. In these instances, as with Jared Loughner, the facts that come to light after the shooting indicate that the "system" failed, the potential danger was not realized, not acted upon.

Who would contest that if Jared hadn't shot the Congresswomen, he would have shot someone else, maybe his schoolmates, or teachers? But in any case, insanity killed the people in Arizona, not politics, not rhetoric, not anything Sarah Palin said. The system failed to recognize Jared's potential, failed to act in time. I don't know that there is a system that could work. Those that come to mind are science fiction (Tom Cruise in "Minority Report").

Jan. 12 2011 01:42 PM
cherylg from ny,ny

There is no comparison btwn irrresponsible ranting and misinfomation on the right like the hysterical Glen Beck and the false accusations of end of life talks meaning Dems wanting to lill seniors with what passes for the mainstream left in this country which is what was mainstream for Republicans a few years ago, like Obama's healthcare plan. The right and Republicans are getting loonier but Dems are usually timid and are quick to compromise even when the other side is just a giveaway to the rich and powerful w/little merit!

Jan. 12 2011 01:27 PM
Sophiesfreedomfromchoice from Queens

Blood Libel means something to those who attended Hebrew School, and those who know about anti-semitic propaganda during WWII. Does S.P.'s speech writer know about the real meaning of this term?

Jan. 12 2011 01:24 PM

One thing that strikes me about the rhetoric question is that if a child in a public school were to say one of these things about another student or teacher the police would be called. Why is it okay for adults to put crosshairs on each other or call for anyone to be killed? We are setting a horrible example for our children.
This kind of discourse has happened before in the past - just before the Civil War and just before the Civil Rights movement. Factions are becoming well defined in our country and the middle ground is shrinking. It makes me nervous about what is coming.

Jan. 12 2011 12:53 PM
Brian from Forest Hills

Equivalence. It is being used here as a defense mechanism. When one side's public figures talk about a 2nd Amendment solutions (what else could that be but violence) combined with cross-hairs, shooting at a target with a politician's initials on it as a campaign fund-raiser, etc. it is different other side's use of targets and rhetoric. If there was nothing wrong with Palin's use of the cross-hairs, why did she take it down from her website right after the shooting?

Let's all remember, had the left had its way, the killer would not have had access to the gun and the magazine. How many rounds were fired?

Even Scalia wrote for SCOTUS that the state had the power to limit the type of weapons that a person could bear.

Why is it harder for me to get a lot of Advil Cold and Sinus in Arizona than a Glock, bullets and a magazine clip?

Jan. 12 2011 12:06 PM
gary from queens

PLEASE read the following for proper context to this tragedy:

We are a nation of over 300 million. Violence based on race and religious differences are rare here, compared to the mideast or even europe now. In the US, the victims of hate crimes breaks down as follows: 70% jews; 20% christian; 7% muslim. Although if you listen to obama, you might think muslims are the biggest victims.

At any rate, while ethnic differences account for most hate crimes, violence based on political differences is rarer still in the US, while it's commonplace in the mideast.

Yet when some nut job kills a politician in the US, democrats foolishly, and against much evidence to the contrary, attribute the crime to political debate that supposedly became too vigorous. Such debate occurred in 1994 without any shootings of pols. And conversely, JFK was a very popular president, yet he was assasinated by a commie nut case. In other words, there's no correlation between vigorous debate and political assassinations.

If there was, then GW Bush----the fascist, nazi, stealer of elections, torturer who shredded our civil rights, and lied to get us into a war, and collaborated to demolish the twin towers, and worst of all, worsened global warming----would have been assissinated a long time ago. You might say that "proof of (Bush) life" is proof the democrats are wrong to politically demogogue this tragic shooting.

Read the article below to remind yourselves that the US is a civilized society. We don't allow husbands to get away with killing their wives. In most of the 57 muslim nations, such acts occur hundreds of times a day, and is excused as "honor killings." Same for the torture of homosexuals; forced marriages of pre adolescent girls; stoning to death of apostates, and infidels caught in possession of a Christian Bible. Except for Israel, with one million muslim citizens, the middle east today has been ethnically cleansed of non muslims.

Yet we wring our hands, and allow supporters or shariah law in the US, to guilt us into permitting the building of a mosque in the ONE location survivors of 911 find offensive. That's our crime?!

Jan. 12 2011 11:56 AM

do this mean she is going to stop using gun metaphors.
and shoot em up language.
f you sarah palin I aint buyin your sh$T

Jan. 12 2011 11:53 AM
gary from queens

Just read the many violent words democrats have recently uttered:

I've Got Your "Inflammatory Rhetoric" Right Here

By Stephanie Herman on 1.10.11 @ 6:08AM

Jan. 12 2011 11:47 AM

Gloria from Queens --

ALL the lives were important. ALL the lives had value.

Jan. 12 2011 11:42 AM
Janet from Staten Island

I believe this is a problem that is larger. We have a crisis with mental health in this country. There are signs that there were problems with Loughner and nothing was done about it. Same with the Virginia tech shootings. I have a neighbor where there are obvious mental health issues and there is nothing that we can do besides continue to be terrorized by her. We have contacted various agencies, police etc and nothing is done. There is a problem and no one wants to address it until it is too late.

Stop giving any more attention to Palin and her cronies either negative or positive and let her just disappear from the political arena and media.

Jan. 12 2011 11:39 AM
William from NYC

I am looking forward to the right getting more bolder as their party wanes.

These are the death throes of the right; it won't be pretty, but know that it means there is an end in sight.

The right has a long tradition : picketing soldiers' funerals, '9/11 was god punishing the USA', plotting terrorism against US citizens in order to fool the public that we should go to war (Lemnitzer), bombing federal buildings, bombing clinics, killing doctors, racism, sexism, and resorting to violence when democracy doesn't go their way. But it's all about to end.

Jan. 12 2011 11:37 AM
Tracy from Brooklyn

Palin seems to have forgotten the violent sentiments she herself stirred up at rallies during the 2008 campaign. Remember the shouts of "Kill him!" that followed her incendiary comments about the Obama-Bill Ayers acquaintance?

Jan. 12 2011 11:33 AM
Peter from Queens

So, like, what about countries in regions like the Middle East, Africa, and Southern Asia, where violence and indiscriminate murder in politics are much more prevalent? I suppose it's simply because those countries just happen to have tons more crazy people per capita? That is the logical implication of saying that the political climate plays NO PART in this tragedy. What is "reprehensible" is not our lack of decency or whatever in attempting to connect dots when the pot boils over, but rather that we remain willfully ignorant of the very conditions that are causing the pot to boil in the first place.

In the United States, if somebody publicly and literally called for the assassination of anybody else, that would be the end of their airtime, which is a good thing. Instead, these people spend great amounts of energy planning out ways to whip up and tantalize their audience as much as possible while maintaining just one degree of removal from actually calling for violence. But if you're listening to the country's most popular broadcasts on a daily basis, you believe that the country is either on the brink or already in the midst of civil war.

It's not so much "hey, this violent rhetoric/videogame/rock-n-roll song isn't very nice, mister," as much as it is that the systemic fixation on mindless conflict is A) driving us crazy, and B) suffocating the possibility for rational and constructive discussion.

Jan. 12 2011 11:33 AM
DarkSymbolist from NYC!

Your guest is a complete and utter fool

People questioned the legitimacy of Bush because Gore was actually elected by the majority of the people and the Supreme Court handed Bush the presidency

The people who question Obama's legitimacy base it on conspiracy crackpot theory that he was not born in the US and/or is not really a US citizen (things that have been proven by FACTS to be untrue) the origins of which have to do with racism and fear of the "other" because he is our first non-white president, plain and simple.

There is NO equivalency and either your guest willfully ignores that or is just incredibly stupid.

Jan. 12 2011 11:32 AM
CL from New York

I can't abide Sarah Palin, and I admire and respect Paul Krugman. But I think they are both ignoring the real issue: gun control. That is the problem, and until or unless the country can overcome its fetish for the handgun, the violence will continue. And I'm ashamed that Obama hasn't said as much. Finally, a little bit of Bloomberg's scolding and prescriptive social poilicies go a long way, but his position on gun ownership is admirable (and perhaps possible only in a politician who is not beholden to monied interests).

Jan. 12 2011 11:32 AM

No, the fact that the shooter has mental health problems does not end it.

Connecting to repeated rants tolerated by the mass media does not imply proximate causation. The context of the RW scream machines on radio & TV + the copy used in many political ads have to be taken into account as part of the context.

Also, part of the health & political context in this incident is the lack of services for those suffering and/or recovering from mental illnesses are also a contributing factor. Support services, housing, peer groups, counseling & monitoring are all below modern medical standards as found abroad.

In this case, our health "system, " educational "system," & law enforcement/judicial "systems" all failed to communicate & in fact worked against a peaceful intervention that might have prevented this incident from occurring.

Jan. 12 2011 11:31 AM
In Hell's Kitchen

It's apparent to me (at least) that in Sarah
Palin we have the political version of the
classic usenet news troll. So heeding the
advise handed down from the era of the
first appearance of such trolls, i.e., DON'T
FEED THE TROLLS, will help the "National
discourse" much more than ad nauseam
replays of the troll's output.

Jan. 12 2011 11:29 AM

All the mental health institutions in Michigan were recently emptied due to budget cuts - and thousands of people with mental illness and no support systems were just thrown out on the street. Does Arizona have a history like this and can we connect it to the last caller's comments on the failing social safety net?

Jan. 12 2011 11:28 AM
Mitch from NYC

The only discussion that should have happened is about gun control. Let us see if a) any NRA- fearing Democrat will finally speak out in favor of real gun control (few have) and b) If we can get the Tea Partiers to publicly defend their gun rights views in the context of this and every other domestic mass murder.

Jan. 12 2011 11:28 AM

I find the suggestion that there is a rough equivalency between extremists on the Right and Left very dubious. There are numerous and repeated examples of Rightwing violence: the Tucson shooting, the murder of two people at a 'liberal' church by a Beck/Savage listener, the murders of doctors who perform abortions, Oklahoma City and on and on. Where are the examples on the Right?

Jan. 12 2011 11:26 AM

She's toast now politically and she knows it in her crude way. The emails between her and Glenn Beck and this video show an individual who is desperately trying to prop up her political career and also has NPD (narcissistic personality disorder). Beck, too, has all the symptoms. You don't have to be conservative to be crazy -- but it sure does help in some cases.

Jan. 12 2011 11:26 AM

Usage of the term "Blood Liable" proves that the Palin machine knows to craft their message. Adding insult to injury + crocidile tears.
I'd be disgusted, but I'm already there.

Jan. 12 2011 11:24 AM
John from office

I am a conservative veteran. I detest Ms. Palin. Who writes her speechs??.

Blood libel is not a word to be used lightly, I pray each day she is not running for President.

Jan. 12 2011 11:23 AM
Pamela from NY

I admit that I did jump to quick conclusions about the potential role of Sarah Palin's map in the tragic shootings. But I think it's unfortunate that Palin's video is so defensive and so focused on herself. We should be celebrating the lives of those who were killed and injured and lifting the country up, not pulling the country back into partisan controversy. This moment is not about Sarah Palin. This moment is about those who lost their lives or who were injured.

Jan. 12 2011 11:22 AM

Sarah Palin's video is about her, and her alone.

Jan. 12 2011 11:22 AM
David from West Hempstead

Wait, Sarah Palin isn't good at using the English language?

Perish the thought.

Jan. 12 2011 11:21 AM
Marty G. from Greenpoint

As a Jewish person, I am sickened by Palin's use of the phrase blood libel. That is our phrase, and she doesnt have the right to use it unless her people were ever the targets of a pogrom.

Jan. 12 2011 11:21 AM
rick from brooklyn

I am so glad this is getting discussed.

The real thing that is getting dropped in the other conversations is that the words used by the right wingers are filled with violence and use violence as an avenue for progress. The left has headed toward the DR. King's, and reformed MalcomX's for leadership, leaders guided by peaceful actions.
That should not be forgotten. and that the right views the left as sissies (playgournd bully talk, more violence).

don't let them off the hook

Jan. 12 2011 11:21 AM
Sabrina French from Manhattan

Ms. Giffords Republican opponent, Jesse Kelley, who had the backing of the Tea Party,held a "targeting victory" fund-raiser in which he invited contributors to SHOOT AN M-16 with him!!!!!!

Jan. 12 2011 11:19 AM
Mike from Tribeca

Will someone please inform Ms. Palin that this tragedy is not about her?

Jan. 12 2011 11:19 AM
C.G. from Manhattan

Brian do you realize what you just said? "We had NO FACTS, but we did have this context" And you think it's still appropriate to speculate about causality?

In what other situations do you think it's okay to proceed with reporting when you have NO FACTS?

Jan. 12 2011 11:19 AM
Granite Sentry

Anybody on the Left has a lot of backing and filling to do before they start talking about unity and civility in politics. Daylong festival of Liberal comity comedy at

Jan. 12 2011 11:19 AM

the Tea Baggers have a revolutionary approach to their politics. Guns are part of revolutions. MAN UP!

Jan. 12 2011 11:18 AM
bernie from bklyn

also, all of you saying it was just a crazy guy w/ a gun that's at fault here, don't have all the facts. what if this guy says that he WAS inspired by the idiocy of sarah palin and sharon angle etc...? then what?
he hasn't said a word yet and the fact that he's insane is exact reason why rhetoric like this can't be tolerated and she must be ostracized by our society as a whole.

Jan. 12 2011 11:18 AM
Martin Chuzzlewit from Manhattan

Oh, please, Brian.

Sheriff Dupnik is an admitted Leftie and a big Obama supporter who has now heard from his constituents....the ones he has openly called "bigots" .

Jan. 12 2011 11:17 AM

Its all fun and games until someone gets hurt. She should be responsible for her words and as she would say "Man Up!".

Jan. 12 2011 11:15 AM
sharon from Harlem

"Palin is accusing the media of what she is being accused of"

Saying that she needs to dial back on the overheated rhetoric that creates a climate celebrating violence is not the same thing as accusing someone of blood libel.

Shame on you Brian for false equivalence.

Jan. 12 2011 11:12 AM
bernie from bklyn

the main issue w/ people like sarah palin is that the media pays too much attention to them because of the inciendiary things they say for ratings purposes. then, in turn, the republican party has their hands tied because pop culture and a figures popularity seems to be the deciding factor whether someone gets nominated or not.
she's a complete idiot that isn't qualified to work at the local DMV and how's she's risen to this level in our political world is astonishing. the cult of personality is at play and all us grown ups need to stop it if we can but the media is the first that has to step up.
hateful morons like palin will always exist but we, as a society, can not give credence to them even if means a loss in advertising dollars.

Jan. 12 2011 11:12 AM
Nick from UWS

Is there anyone in American politics stupider than this woman? A complete cretin.

There IS no reason for this shooting, and I wish people would stop looking for one. It didn't happen because of politics or rhetoric.

This happened because an insane man was able to easily get ahold of a rapid fire high capacity weapon. It happened because we are a stupid country who is obsessed with guns and wants everyone to have one no matter how insane they are.

Jan. 12 2011 11:10 AM
Gloria from Queens

Why was this couched as "Congresswoman Shot" instead of "9-year-old girl shot in senseless massacre"? The child's life was far more important. Don't we usually look at these incidents as a shooting spree with a human toll? So why is this one a story about one politician and a campaign poster?

Jan. 12 2011 11:10 AM
Martin Chuzzlewit from Manhattan

There is NO reference in this poor man's rantings to Palin, Glenn Beck, the Teaparty, or Obamacare. Charles Krauthammer's excellent piece on this "inconvenient truth" today in the Washington Post and Jennifer Rubin's postings on the WaPo website frame this as, indeed, libel from the Left.
The divisive and extreme frothing over this is really from the Left now.

Jan. 12 2011 11:00 AM
Ralph from Mahopac, NY

Predictably, Ms Palin played the martyr of blood libel, intolence, and finger pointing. More amazing is her reinterpreting the term "take up our arms" to be "talking about our vote". When taking up arms always meant weapons, as in Hamlet, or the 2nd Amendment. As Humpty Dumpty of Alice in Wonderland said, "When I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less."

Jan. 12 2011 10:49 AM
TC from Brooklyn

Even a teacher speaking to second graders would not use such a condescending tone. It is difficult to understand how she can accuse the so-called "blood libel" of inciting violence while denying that her rhetoric of guns might have the potential to do the same.

This video is clearly an attempt to reassert a political ideology, rather than an attempt to address the issue at hand. She keeps emphasizing the exceptional American way, but anyone who has spent time abroad knows, first of all, that many countries have passionate debates of ideas without resorting to talk of guns, and second of all, that most of the world does not see us as a light. People see this kind of rhetoric as barbaric and they worry about even visiting America because they are afraid of being shot. If we're exceptional, it's because we're the only developed country that's more interested in protecting gun rights than taking care of its citizens.

Jan. 12 2011 10:48 AM
Left of Dem from New York

'Blood libel' is, as an earlier poster noted, a term associated with pogroms and also with medieval charges that Jews performed sacrifices with human blood. This in fact is the reason Jews were exiled from England from before Chaucer's time until the time of Cromwell. She is deliberately stirring hatred with these comments, and it looks like she is determined to bring about new tragedies.

Jan. 12 2011 10:48 AM
Freddy from Brooklyn

The only words she omitted were: "I'll get you my pretty...and your little dog, too!"

Jan. 12 2011 10:43 AM

I hope that Sarah Palin isn't using right-wing code words to create disruption of society.

When she uses the words 'blood libel', it is a phrase frequently associated with pogroms.

I find this all very troubling.

Jan. 12 2011 10:19 AM
Joe Gould from Greenwich Village

If Ms. Palin is correct, just whom does she think she is persuading with her rant, her use of a gun-sight's cross-hairs on a map of congressional districts? If not those with singularly less than admirable analytical skills like Mr. Loughner, to what audience does she think her caustic demagoguery appeals?

Jan. 12 2011 10:09 AM
joe from NY

If Sarah Palin were Muslim she would be behind bars being interrogated by now. All her computers, email and text communications should be seized and investigated for a possible remote link to the killer. While she did not actively participate, she may have inadvertently triggered off one of her followers.

Jan. 12 2011 10:07 AM
Tash from manhattan

She is all over the map, and I completely agree with TW.

What I heard was:
"We're all in this together, except for that one crazy guy, regan said he's was all on his own, individualism! We're working together, except for the media, what a great country, Obama, 9/11, American Spirit."

It'd be nice to hear statement that was actually respectful of its audience.

Jan. 12 2011 09:54 AM

Palin comes across with the sincerity of the Evil Queen handing Cinderella a poisoned apple.

Jan. 12 2011 09:26 AM

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