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Stopping the DREAM Act

Tuesday, December 21, 2010

Roy Beck, executive director of NumbersUSA, a group advocating for lower immigration levels, explains his group's successful efforts to defeat the DREAM Act.

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Comments [14]

amalgam from Manhattan by day, NJ by night

I'm a "white American" whose great-great grandfather - a Danish sailor - jumped ship while harbored in the U.S.

That means that he was an illegal immigrant and, by logical and legal extension, I am since I received my documentation under false pretenses.

I suggest a wide-ranging study on these nefarious white invaders whose spawn are here illegally and, based on those findings, encourage the strong enforcement of laws to begin their deportation to the originating countries.

That way we can better select the true, genuine Americans living in the U.S. and out the many white people living here illegally, hiding (like me) in plain sight.

Dec. 21 2010 04:25 PM
Gerald Fnord from Palos Verdes, CA

When white ethnics say, "_My_ ancestors immigrated _legally_," they are right, but off-point: there were no laws for them to violate. On the other hand, people had to state that they had a sponsor prosperous enough to support them, if need be, and show that they were free of disease, particularly TB. As to the first, nearly everyone so stating _lied_---their sponsors, if they existed at all, were almost always only slightly less impoverished; as to the second, there were no end of nostrums people used to try to minimise their persistent coughs.

And, yes, they didn't strain State services, because there were almost none---but they did overwhelm private charity, a fact frequently noted by the WASP commentators of the day, and which eventually led to the creation of some State assistance.

Also note that until the Great War, between one-third and one-half of all immigrants went back home---they were going to America to get out of debt, or to accumulate a stake for a business, and then they left, often without learning much English at all, as was generally the case (in 1962, the granny in the house next to ours only spoke Sicilian even then; mine spoke only Yiddish).

If the consequences weren't so often grave, there would be little funnier than watching the frantic activity of members of one group's attempt to distance themselves from members of a nearly identical group (see: the paper bag test, Wien Jews v. Ostjüden, American theocrats v. jihadis...).

Dec. 21 2010 01:04 PM
Diane from LI, NY

Educate yourself about the benefits of the DREAM Act...there is plenty of false information out there: http://nysiaf.org/2010/12/11/the-economic-of-the-dream-act/

Dec. 21 2010 11:12 AM
Diane

As a Volunteer instructor of ESL for adults I too often hear the misery of parents who brought their children to this country, without legal papers, worked to send them to college only to realize they cannot secure employment in their degree field. The majority of these children have lived 99% of their lives in this country. For all intents and purposes they are "American". We absolutely should pass the DREAM Act. I would love for politicians to stop thinking that ALL immigrants, illegal or otherwise are trying to get something for nothing. In addition, lets put to rest the rumors that illegal immigrants are eligible for financial aid. This is FALSE! They are self pay students...yes they funnel money into the higher education industry. I will also like to bring attention to this fact: tax dollars do educate ALL children in this country from K-12, it is the LAW. Why would we stop/prevent these young adults from taking that foundation and building on it? I wish ALL of our American youth would follow the same path, the HS drop out rate is unacceptable. PASS THE DREAM ACT IT'S GOOD FOR AMERICAN ECONOMICS.

Dec. 21 2010 11:01 AM

Brian: Stop arguing with this guy. Everything he's saying is true.

Dec. 21 2010 10:53 AM
Mary Beth Rosenthal from Montclair NJ

Mr. Beck sounds like he's trying to have it both ways. He says that illegal immigrants do not help with our longer-term Social Security problems -- because the American birth rate is higher than Japan, for example. But the biggest factor in our larger birth rate, compared to Japan & Western Europe as well, is that immigrants in the US have larger families. The birth rate of native-born Americans is closer to Japan.

Beck also says that immigrants contribute less to the Social Security fund. But one of the reasons they do is because their earnings are lower. If they're illegal, they are denied or are fearful of seeking to enforce their rights to fair pay, decent housing and education. So they earn less & contribute less. Those who benefit under the DREAM Act will have higher earnings than Beck's statistics.

Dec. 21 2010 10:52 AM
Mike

The Tea party will lead to the death of the republican party as the hispanic population increases. Is this a ploy to stop this?

Dec. 21 2010 10:43 AM
Zach from UWS

The "jobs magnet" to which Beck refers is our world-class University system, tech sector, and medical research programs. The only way to remove this "magnet" is to further destabilize our economy. Immigrants are a blessing, not a curse, and they are the only way out of this recession. To build the economy of the future, we need the best and brightest in the world, not merely the best and brightest born within our borders.

Dec. 21 2010 10:39 AM
bernie from bklyn

oh no! another crazy beck!
this is also another obvious issue and the bill should be unanimously approved.
the only thing is that these people should not get any kind of preferential financial aid.
but, want to solve alot of these issues instantly?
BRING BACK THE DRAFT!!!

Dec. 21 2010 10:38 AM
Sam from Brooklyn

It's often said that illegal immigrants do the work that Americans don't want to do. I think it's probably more the case that illegal immigrants do the work that Americans don't want to do for such low pay.

Does your guest think that enforcing a rise in pay for manual labor/agricultural work would help to combat the flow of illegal labor across the border?

Dec. 21 2010 10:38 AM
Frank from Midtown

Clearly the question is whether these "Dream Act People" are, in fact, Americans. Beck says no. Brian suggests yes. What defines "American"?

Dec. 21 2010 10:36 AM
Pablo Alto from Da' Bronx

The Dream Act is designed to help young people who have grown up here, and WANT TO MAKE A CONTRIBUTION to this wonderful country. The challenges to this act are rooted in a time (dis)honored American tradition--racist xenophobia. There are plenty of rationalizations but this is at the root of these arguments.

Dec. 21 2010 10:36 AM
john from office

People come here becuase there are Jobs Americans won't do and there are groups in this country who dont work and are not productive.

The republicans will regret not helping hispanics, a group that is large, growing and begining to vote.

Dec. 21 2010 10:35 AM
Ed from Larchmont

The Catholic Bishops Conference came out in favor of the Dream Act in principle, though there might have been provisions in the small print that their staff didn't see.

Dec. 21 2010 08:38 AM

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