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Outgoing NYC Schools Chancellor Joel Klein

Wednesday, November 24, 2010

Joel Klein, outgoing Chancellor of the New York City Department of Education, talks about his time in the office and Mayor Bloomberg's choice for his successor, Cathie Black.

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Joel Klein

Comments [30]

Rod from NYC

Good riddance to the bum! He lied and cooked the books at the DOE in regards to test scores and HS grad rates. The school report cards were falsified so principals cold get bonuses. Yikes...he would've been fired in the business world.
I don't know about business but senior teachers are usually better than newbies. Oh...Klein, Blacl and Bloomberg all in their sixties..lol

Nov. 26 2010 06:34 PM
teacherwithcredentials

I pressed post before proofreading. Corrections were made.

Klein should be ashamed of himself for pretending to care for education and the 1.1 million children. He knew that his focus was to make Mighty Bloombuck look good. The reading first program was brought in by the infamous, the ousted Deputy Chancellor of teaching and learning, Diane Lam. Do research on Lam's career and you wonder why Klein, with no education background, hired her.

Klein was also brought in to bring the UFT to its knee in the same manner he did to Bill Gates and he was unsuccessful. Why? The community-at-large, parents, and other stakeholders believe in teachers and will support them. Klein thought that his down-your-throat change-agent approach would be hailed as the transformational management style for all chancellors in the nation. His approach failed. Rhee's same approach also failed. In Chicago, Huberman's approach is out the door because he failed. Before him, Duncan had created chaos and destroyed the public school system, too, because he had no education background. Duncan was pulled out, by his basketball buddy, to run the Ed. Dept before he got a chance to show his failure.

Lesson here: No education background, politics as usual. Status quo is the norm for those ed deformers.

Nov. 25 2010 12:47 AM
teacherwithcredentials

Klein should be ashame of himself for pretending to care for education and the 1.1 million children. He knew that his focus was to make Mighty Bloombuck look good. The reading first program was brought in by the infamous, the ousted Deputy Chancellor of teaching and learning, Diane Lam. Do research on Lam's career and you wonder why Klein, with no education background, hired her.

Klein was also brought in to bring the UFT to its knee in the same manner he did to Bill Gates and he was unsuccessful. Why? The community-at-large, parents, and other stakeholders believe in teachers and will support them. Klein thought that his down-your-throat change-agent approach would be hailed as the transformational management style for all chancellors in the nation. His approach failed. Rhee's same approach also failed. In Chicago, Huberman's approach is out the door because he failed. Before him, Duncan had created chaos and destroy the public school system, too, because he had no education background. Duncan was pulled out by his basbetball buddy to run the Ed. Dept before he got a chance to show his failure.

Lesson here: No education background, politics as usual. Status quo is the norm for those ed deformers.

Nov. 25 2010 12:42 AM

My son learned a good lesson from Joel Klein when he was in the third grade. Joel Klein visited his school because the third grade class initiated a letter writing campaign that expanded to schools citywide. My son commented that Joel Klein never answered any of the children's questions -- he just responded by talking about something unrelated that didn't really mean anything at all.

Nov. 24 2010 10:41 PM

After a FULL body scan as well as a pat down, no traces of educational qualifications or experience were found on Cathie Black

Nov. 24 2010 01:06 PM
Joe

Re: Murdoch's Antisemitism

Video of Glenn Beck toying with a puppets of a medieval Jewish caricature and a witch

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4411642/beck-the-puppet-master?r_src=ramp

Nov. 24 2010 11:40 AM
Joe

Re: Murdoch's Antisemitism

Glenn Beck toying with a puppet of a medieval Jewish caricature next and a witch puppet:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/11/adl-beck-soros_n_782420.html

Nov. 24 2010 11:34 AM
Diana from The Bronx, NY

Chancellor Klein's statement that the first reading program he introduced that failed was at the recommendation of his deputy chancellor for instruction precisely underscores the need for a chancellor with an education background. He would have known if it was an effective program based on his own experience and knowledge about teaching and learning. The fact that he has 6 deputy chancellors (not all are educators, by the way, and all earning 6 figure salaries) also points to a top heavy organizational structure that doesn't have adequate expertise in education, instead treating the system like a corporation, focusing solely on results. A chancellor should be able to discern effective instructional strategies and discuss the merits with pedagogical personnel and other superintendents to determine what would work best for the school system.

Nov. 24 2010 10:52 AM

Although the jury is still out on his tenure as Chancellor, I was OK with Klein until he made this move to the Murdoch empire. Education is just another opportunity for big cash ins and exploitation for huge financial profit.

Nov. 24 2010 10:34 AM
Alex Marshall from NYC

If schools hire and retain teachers based on their budgets, the most senior (read: expensive) will find it harder to find jobs. They end up on the absentee reserve. So Joel Klein's call for eliminating the reserve and ending the last-in first-out principle means that some effective, well-qualified teachers will be deep-sixed.

Nov. 24 2010 10:34 AM
Martin Chuzzlewit from Manhattan

@Joe

Murdoch's supposed anti-semitism doesn't compare to that heard everyday on NPR stations attacking Israel.
Please!

Nov. 24 2010 10:33 AM
Dr Bob in the Bronx from Bronx

I sit at home despite 40 years of teaching chemistry, 30 at the college level and 10 at the HS level because of the Klein/Bloomberg administration. It would be nice if Klein's policies could really identify bad teachers, but sometimes principals, especially from the "Leadership Academy," target excellent teachers. I went to PEP meetings where Mr. Klein was on his Blackberry while parents were speaking their concerns. He has been a disaster for NYC public schools. Teacher experience should be harvested, not subjected to slash and burn.

Nov. 24 2010 10:31 AM
Hugh

Reductionistic views of the world?!

And reducing all performance to money and numbers isn't reductionist?!

Nov. 24 2010 10:30 AM
Joe

Murdoch's Antisemitism, what does he think about it?

Nov. 24 2010 10:29 AM
Ken from Little Neck

Once again, Klein shows zero interest in the basic function of school - the education of children. He's quite good at vilifying the teachers, but shows no interest whatsoever in the students that should be his first priority.

Nov. 24 2010 10:26 AM
bernie from bklyn

anyone read the article on the times today about news corp buying wireless generation and klein's coincidental involvement.
another crook, get him off the air

Nov. 24 2010 10:25 AM
mc from Brooklyn

Joel Klein, you completely dropped the ball on Special Ed kids for several years, some of them critical years for some kids. Don't let the door hit you on your way out.

Nov. 24 2010 10:20 AM
mc from Brooklyn

Why must we pay two people to do one job? If you need a top educator to really run the joint hire a top educator. A commenter below suggested Diane Ravich. Good suggestion. Here's another: Carmen Farina. NYC is big city. There must be someone who can do this.

Nov. 24 2010 10:18 AM

Cathie Black, like Klein before her and Bloomberg, pays lip-service to public education. But her actions, like those of Klein and Bloomberg, betray unalloyed disdain and contempt for public education.

In Black's case, add solid evidence of a very mediocre intellect and you have a recipe for failure.

The key fact is that public schools are NOT a business. Applying the for-profit dogma -- the failed Wall Street dogma -- to KIDS is revolting.

Nov. 24 2010 10:17 AM
laura

Please ask Klein how he could have better engaged paretns and teachers in the process of reform. The problem, both in NY and perhaps nationally, is that school reform has been a top down process, often paternalistic in its tone. It can't have a lasting legacy if it doesn't engage its paretns and teachers.

Nov. 24 2010 10:17 AM
Ken from Little Neck

Mr. Klein, just because you have graduated more students doesn't mean they've learned anything. Your failure to understand that has been one of the hallmarks of your wholly counterproductive leadership of the New York City schools.

Nov. 24 2010 10:15 AM
Arthur

I like how he refers to the issues that Black "will" face "when" she starts, as if she already has the job in spite of everything we've heard.

Nov. 24 2010 10:15 AM
RLewis from the Bowery

Mr. Klein did a fine job, but yet no one says that the schools are any better. The deck chairs are just in different places.

Can you ask him if he'll admit that immigration and poverty will forever keep nyc schools on a systemic edge of failure?

It's not the chancellor, not the leaders, not the teachers, not the unions and not the students -- it's this mult-cultural city that is the challenge, and unless we want to be all one color, one language, and one society, our schools will always be just under the waterline.

Nov. 24 2010 10:15 AM

Come on.... We know that part of Klein and Bloomberg's 'success' was based on their _lies_. They dumbed down tests to make it _look like_ students were doing better.

Among the most distinguished researchers is Diane Ravitch who has had _nothing_ positive to say about Bloomberg and Klein.

An endless string of lies from spoon-fed rich brats -- Bloomberg, Klein, and if Bloomberg has his way, Black.

Nov. 24 2010 10:14 AM
experience

Working under a manager that has no relevant experience is hell.

Nov. 24 2010 10:13 AM
Susan from NYC

Klein and Bloomberg were all about spin, not achievement. They endlessly touted their stellar gains in test scores, until it was demonstrated that the tests were dumbed down and the students hadn't improved. Now he slips out the back door to the master of spin (and sleaze), Murdoch, while Bloomberg tries (so far unsuccessfully) to saddle us with another empty suit specializing in spin. Unfortunately for all of them, the parents and public are now onto their cynical mismanagement for their own benefit.

Nov. 24 2010 10:12 AM
Marianne from Staten Island

Since Mr.Bloomberg could not think of any qualified person to replace Mr. Klein who made the system worse, let me suggest one:Diane Ravich.
She is Research Professor of Education at New York University and a historian of education. In addition, she is a nonresident senior fellow at the Brookings Institution in Washington, D.C.

She is a national authority in educational matters with impeccable educational credentials.
Why would the taxpayers be charged with another $250,000 to pay for a "second-in-command to make-up for Ms.Black's lack of knowledge?

Nov. 24 2010 10:11 AM
Peter from Queens

Mr. Klein,

I'm at a top school of education now, and I'm considering becoming a teacher in NYC after I graduate, but I'm worried that the political climate is becoming increasingly hostile to teachers. I'm afraid that the profit motive and corporate influence in the classroom is causing business-minded politicians like you and Mayor Bloomberg to seek to "manage" teachers, rather than to truly support them as needed.

What does it mean when the former schools chancellor is hired by a media mogul (Rupert Murdoch) that openly refers to the US education system as an untapped $500 billion business sector? Do you expect me to want to become a teacher when I hear something like that?

Nov. 24 2010 09:59 AM
Joel

I'd love to hear what Joel Klein thinks of NewsCorps acquisition of Wireless Generation.

Nov. 24 2010 09:53 AM
JR from Bronx

Please use this opportunity to seriously question Chancellor Klein about his new job with News Corp.

It's not a secret that Rupert Murdoch wants to control as many of our channels of information as he can get his hands on, and squeeze out alternative voices. Part of that far-right agenda is explicitly the elimination of publicly funded education. The thought of his agenda having a clear pipeline into our city's curricular and information technology choices really terrifies me. Especially considering that Ms Black has no background with which to evaluate differing curricular choices, it does not seem unlikely that if confirmed she would rely upon her predecessor to recommend and sell the city his new boss’s educational materials.

And if that's not the point, why did Klein get the job? Obviously it is his connections to the city system -- much like a former Congressman turning around to lobby his colleagues for a business interest. I hope that his movements in his new job will be followed by your reporters with great diligence, so the parents of NYC school children can see what Murdoch is going to be trying to sell the country's largest public school system.

Nov. 24 2010 09:37 AM

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