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Songs of Envy

Friday, March 20, 2009

Our Friday series Seven Sins: The Deadly Medley continues with a look at how the deadly sins have shaped music from a variety of genres. Today: Envy. Our guests include two music critics: Jon Caramanica, who writes about pop, hip hop and country for the New York Times, and Carolina Gonzalez, contributor to the New York Daily News and co-author of Nueva York: the Complete Guide to Latino Life in the Five Boroughs.

List: Carolina Gonzalez on Envy in music
List: Jon Caramanica on Envy in Music
Soundcheck blog: John Schaefer on Envy


Comments

  • [1] Matthew from Manhattan March 20, 2009 - 12:33PM

    David Watts.


  • [2] Ronald Kienhuis from Great Neck, NY March 20, 2009 - 12:42PM

    Suspicion by Terry Stafford (and a great cover by the Bonzo Dog Dooh Dah Band with Vivian Stanshall)

    Two Sisters by the Kinks


  • [3] Brett from Long Island City March 20, 2009 - 01:52PM

    I'm Straight by The Modern Lovers


  • [4] Ted Shred from Atlanta March 20, 2009 - 02:02PM

    David Watts is great; Jesse's Girl has gotta be in there somewhere.


  • [5] Kris from NEW York March 20, 2009 - 02:11PM

    As of a fan of some hip-hop, I am unable to listen to most popular hip-hop and rap because of the presupposition that I am envious of the rapper's lifestyle, skills or riches. Why are people so drawn to these listening to themes that are constantly telling them how weak they are?


  • [6] Cory from Manhattan March 20, 2009 - 02:12PM

    I'm not sure it's really envy or some other sin, but -- Del Shannon, Hats off to Larry


  • [7] N/A from Brooklyn March 20, 2009 - 02:12PM

    There was a piece on the Leonard Lopate show about envy vs. jealousy.

    Envy is between a person and an object. You envy your neighbors new car for example.

    Jealousy is between three people. You are jealous that your mom likes your brother better than you.


  • [8] Kris from NEW York March 20, 2009 - 02:12PM

    like trying to be friends with the school bully who keeps telling you how lame you are?


  • [9] Erica from NJ March 20, 2009 - 02:14PM

    Is John Lennon's "Jealous Guy" too obvious?


  • [10] Pati Rock from New York City March 20, 2009 - 02:15PM

    The most AMAZING song about jealousy:

    I'm Just A Jealous Guy by John Lennon


  • [11] Jeremy Shatan from NYC March 20, 2009 - 02:16PM

    How about "We Hate It When Our Friends Become Successful" by Morrissey:

    We hate it when our friends become successful

    We hate it when our friends become successful

    Oh, look at those clothes

    Now look at that face, it's so old

    And such a video !

    Well, it's really laughable

    Ha, ha, ha ...

    We hate it when our friends become successful

    And if they're Northern, that makes it even worse

    And if we can destroy them

    You bet your life we will

    Destroy them

    If we can hurt them

    Well, we may as well ...

    It's really laughable

    Ha, ha, ha ...

    You see, it should've been me

    It could've been me

    Everybody knows

    Everybody says so

    Seems to fit the bill!


  • [12] Jane Hamill from Long Island City March 20, 2009 - 02:17PM

    I LOVES YOU PORGY

    NINA SIMONE


  • [13] Carlos from New Jersey March 20, 2009 - 02:17PM

    Rod Stewart, Some guys Have All The Luck


  • [14] Rebecca from Brooklyn March 20, 2009 - 02:18PM

    One of my favorites is "Everybody's Got Nice Stuff But Me" by the Dead Milkmen.


  • [15] Jennifer from Manhattan March 20, 2009 - 02:19PM

    How about Leanne Rimes song "Big Deal" - Envy for the other girl or guy getting all the love....


  • [16] Carlos from New Jersey March 20, 2009 - 02:19PM

    Spanish Song:

    Hombres G, Devuelveme a mi Chica


  • [17] GK from Mamaroneck, NY March 20, 2009 - 02:19PM

    How about Wicked's "I'm Not that Girl"?


  • [18] Paul McKevitt from Brooklyn March 20, 2009 - 02:19PM

    How about the Special AKA, "What I like most about you is your girlfriend"

    At least he's honest!


  • [19] kim from brooklyn March 20, 2009 - 02:20PM

    I immediately think of bob dylan.... here is a hilarious example dylan getting away with jealousy and anger by using humor to cover it up. he does it often.

    from leopard-skin pill box hat:

    Well, I saw him

    Makin' love to you

    You forgot to close the garage door

    You might think he loves you for your money

    But I know what he really loves you for

    It's your brand new leopard-skin pill-box hat


  • [20] Mary from Brooklyn March 20, 2009 - 02:21PM

    "What did I Have That I don't Have?" from Broadway Show "on a Clear Day you can see forever" about a woman who is jealous of the qualities her reincarnated self uses to attract hypnotist/therapist.


  • [21] Erica from NJ March 20, 2009 - 02:23PM

    Ironic: "Richard Cory," Paul Simon (Them covered it too).


  • [22] Ellen Bremner from New London, CT March 20, 2009 - 02:24PM

    Hey has anyone mentioned Skee-Lo's I wish? Please say hi to Niki in Portland OR.


  • [23] trev from Winnipeg March 20, 2009 - 02:25PM

    The Smiths = Paint a Vulgar Picture

    I touched you at the soundcheck

    You had no real way of knowing

    In my heart I begged "Take me with you ...

    I don't care where you're going..."

    But to you I was faceless

    I was fawning, I was boring

    Just a child from those ugly new houses

    Who could never begin to know


  • [24] Sarah from NYC March 20, 2009 - 02:25PM

    I'm not sure if "girls stealing your boyfriend"songs count but if they do then:

    Salt & Pepa "I'll take your man"

    Skyy "Call me"


  • [25] Steven from New York, NY March 20, 2009 - 02:25PM

    The distinction between envy and jealousy has nothing to do with the nature of the objects of affection. Envy refers to the feeling of wanting a thing or a person that belongs to someone else. Jealousy refers to the feeling of wanting to protect and hold on to what one has. Thus, Othello was jealous of Desdemona. Granted, though, that in common parlance "jealousy" is often used to mean "envy," but never the other way around. (You would never say that Othello envied Desdemona.)


  • [26] Lucky from Queens March 20, 2009 - 02:27PM

    How are you not gonna talk about Elvis Costello? Just off the top of my head I'm thinking about I Want You and I Hope You're Happy Now from Blood and Chocolate, but he's got tons of them.


  • [27] Lucky from Queens March 20, 2009 - 02:27PM

    How are you not gonna talk about Elvis Costello? Just off the top of my head I'm thinking about I Want You and I Hope You're Happy Now from Blood and Chocolate, but he's got tons of them.


  • [28] Kris from Pearl River, NY March 20, 2009 - 02:30PM

    "Jude Law and a Semester Abroad" by the band Brand New

    Lyrics found here:

    http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Jude-Law-And-A-Semester-Abroad-lyrics-Brand-New/C35F518AD87C894448256C05001346EC


  • [29] trev from Winnipeg March 20, 2009 - 02:34PM

    I always liked the Smiths - Paint a Vulgar Picture =

    I touched you at the soundcheck

    You had no real way of knowing

    In my heart I begged "Take me with you ...

    I don't care where you're going..."

    But to you I was faceless

    I was fawning, I was boring

    Just a child from those ugly new houses

    Who could never begin to know


  • [30] John from Manhattan March 20, 2009 - 02:34PM

    Jealousy means you'd like to have something that you lack. A personal quality or material possession or something else you want. Envy is destructive. You don't have it, you lack it and you don't want the other person to have it either. You actively work to destroy what the other person has.


  • [31] Kris from Pearl River, NY March 20, 2009 - 02:35PM

    Also "Dylan's Song" by the band BigWig

    Lyrics:

    http://www.sing365.com/music/Lyric.nsf/Dylan%27S-Song-lyrics-Bigwig/11EF9653C74FC99B48256D0A002F7FB4


  • [32] Maria from Brooklyn, NY March 20, 2009 - 03:33PM

    "Bring Me Some Water" by Melissa Etheridge.


  • [33] Victoria from Manhattan March 20, 2009 - 03:41PM

    I shuddered as I heard the 'explanation' between jealously and envy being announced over the radio. The commenter from Brooklyn is WRONG! I believe some other commenters tried to correct the mistake and gave the real difference between envy and jealously.

    Has everything to do with what you have, and nothing to do with whether or not it is an object or person.

    Envy is when you want something someone else has that you do not have, jealously is wanting to keep something you already have, and have a fear of losing.


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