Soundcheck Smackdown: Boyle vs. Lambert
Tuesday, June 02, 2009
He is a 27-year-old goth-vampire rocker who wears black nail polish and eyeliner. She is a dowdy 48-year-old Scot who says she has never been kissed. Adam Lambert and Susan Boyle overcame their unlikely personas to become the two most popular figures on television and YouTube – as products of "American Idol" and "Britain’s Got Talent," respectively. So which of them makes for the best pop hero of this recession? It’s Boyle vs. Lambert in another Soundcheck Smackdown.
Joining us are Ann Powers, chief pop music critic of the Los Angeles Times, and Tavia Nyong’o, an Assistant Professor of Performance Studies at New York University, and author of The Amalgamation Waltz: Race, Performance, and the Ruses of Memory.
Tell us: What do you think? Who's the bigger pop success story? Why?
Comments [28]
Joel - I forgot to check back after I posted my comment, but yes! Thank you for getting my point. I hadn't thought about the Escher analoogy, but that's exactly it. Perfect!
Oh, and one other comment, for those people who don't like it when Adam "screams," well I have to tell you, it's part of what he does that I love...it's passion...it's exciting...it gives me chill bumps. Scream on Adam!
I think Adam has a great, long career ahead of him. I know that taste is subjective, but how you can doubt his pitch-perfect vocals and his unique style (something required to gain long-term exposure in this fickle business)is beyond me. There has never been a singer EVER (and I'm not young) that has given me such an emotional response when he sings. His stage presence is just an added bonus to his amazing talent. I've spent almost everyday listening to Adam's songs on my iPod over and over again, and I can't wait to start hearing him more on the radio. Time will tell which one of us is correct. I, for one, can't wait for his first album.
First of all, ADAM is a true star, and his star will be burning for many, many years to come. He's different, he's special, he's going to be an international icon. Not to mention he seems to be handling the pressure better than SB. He is constantly being harrassed about his sexual preference which is nobody's business. He has handled everything with ease and a positive attitude. He's a real professional and he will go far.
As far as having "lost", I'm beginning to think that it was fixed for him to "lose" on purpose by the producers, b/c he's such a star and they want to rake in the dollars fast. His image is not cut out for the Disney commercials, which would have ruined it for him. They and he wanted to get out there in the marketplace quick, unhindered by Disney and AI contractual obligations. I think Adam really won the votes he needed, they just wanted to set him free! Adam is A GIFT!!
Carly from Manhattan is perfectly right about Les Miserables not being by Andrew Lloyd Webber, a common mistake I apologize for repeating on air. I meant to refer to her semi-final song, "Memory" from Cats, being a Webber song.
For what its worth, musical theater buffs who dislike Webber's saccharine style tend to dislike Les Mis even more, which is perhaps why they (we?) are always getting them mixed up.
Mad World, by the way, is a Tears for Fears song that was covered by Michael Andrews and Gary Jules on the soundtrack of Donnie Darko, the version Adam Lambert was inspired by and that is perhaps better known, certainly now.
Angela [#17]: Interesting point. So, by having a battle of "number twos," Soundcheck is inadvertently creating ... another number two! It's like an Escher lithograph!
Oh my. Those 2 Adam Lambert song clips were awful. Great voice, terrible material. I hope for his sake he makes better choices in the future.
Um FYI....Les Miserables is not an Andrew Lloydd Webber show---it was adapted by Robert Hossein, the composer was Claude-Michel Schönberg, and the librettist Alain Boublil.
Ann is rather well soaked in Rock-ly-wood. If we're talking about good business moves...Adam is the perfect shoe-in for LA. If we're talking about inspiration, MsBoyle still moves me to tears even with so much media coverage.
Something about Susan Boyle's voice is absolutely thrilling in the right song, as her first song was. Gives me chills, which I don't often feel from most pop singers.
I hope she can get some coaching, work on an album of songs good for her voice. I'd love to listen to it over and over.
As a professional singer I find Susan Boyle overrated. She's an amateur who is only considered talented relative to the way she looks. Yes, she sings well for an amateur, but she couldn't, for example, win American Idol because she just isn't a good enough singer. The fact that she hasn't held up for her 15 minutes means that she couldn't possibly have Elaine Page's career-- she literally couldn't survive eight shows a week.
Okay, can you explain the point of this contest? Adam and Susan were both great, and both will likely go on to achieve more success than the purported "winners." Why do you want to put one of the two in second place when it obviously second place doesn't matter?
Adam Lambert has a very impressive voice and definitely more star wattage than either Kris Allen and Susan Boyle, but he ruins every song when he starts wailing and screeching. His performance is always about him, not the music.
Adam should have won hands down-Kris Allen won't sell any albums and Adam will be like another Chris Daughtry. He is way more marketable and his androgeny will work in his favor. Broadway will be his venue.
Susan Boyle is an eccentric old lady who happens to have a great voice but no one is going to buy any albums from her. She might do the talk show circuit but then will fade into oblivion
Indeed American Idol and Britain's Got Talent are ridiculous shows but the intelligent discussion from the guests is a treat!
Lucky losers have been the way to go on AI, right? It's almost better to lose.
Indeed American Idol and Britain's Got Talent are ridiculous shows but the intelligent discussion from the guests is a treat!
Lucky losers have been the way to go on AI, right? It's almost better to lose.
Susan is a naive sweetypie and Lambert is coldly ambitious. Of course Susan is more uplifting!
What do you think of "lucky losers?" Do we love Susan Boyle and Adam Lambert more because they're "No. 2?"
Susan Boyle can sing beautifully. But she is ultimately untrained as a professional singer. There is a video online taken perhaps 15 years ago of her singing at a local pub. You can see and hear her failings within that demonstration, as she also presented in her second song.
She needs time to mature in front of audiences, to broaden her repertoire, to learn to roll with the hard knocks that any performer has to go through. And I hope she does and that she will.
You guys are talking apples and oranges here.
It's all very retro, don't you think? Adam Lambert harks back to Boy George and Freddie Mercury. Susan Boyle is so 70s/80s, Elaine Paige, Patti LuPone, etc. Also, isn't there a hint of exploitation w/ Susan Boyle and those bumps and grinds and other vulgarities?
Pop hero for the pro-gay oughts? Adam Lambert.
I stand mistaken! It is Tears for Fears.
Wow!
Apologies. Adam Lambert all the way!
oh my god please tell me you're not talking about american idol
I didn't watch either show but in a pop culture context (which I was more aware of) I'd have to go with Susan Boyle. She is a more unexpected and therefore a more interesting lucky loser.
Firstly,
That's not a Tears for Fears song, it's from Donnie Darko!
Secondly Adam Lambert should have won!
Firstly that's not a Tears for Fears song! It's from Donnie Darko.
Secondly Adam Lambert is fantastic and should have won!
Which TV pop hero do you like best: Susan Boyle or Adam Lambert?
Are the runners up on these shows contractually obliged to have their careers guided by the American Idol, Britain's Got Talent etc. corporations?
Who's say's Adam Lambert lost? I think you should read this....
http://idolvotesnow.wordpress.com/
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