Sponsor

wnyc.org / 93.9fm / am 820

Pop's Love Affair With Death

Wednesday, November 19, 2008

Death may be an unpleasant topic for conversation, but it ranks up there with sex and love as a basic ingredient in song lyrics. Today, we look at how pop music copes (and even thrives) with death. We're joined by Graeme Thomson, author of the self-explanatory book, "I Shot a Man in Reno: A History of Death By Murder, Suicide, Fire, Flood, Drugs, Disease and General Misadventure, as Related in Popular Song."

Soundcheck blog: What's your favorite song about death?

Comments [60]

Ron Kaplan from http://rksbaseballbookshelf.wordpress.com

Steve Goodman's "A Dying Cubs Fans Last Request" was all the more ironic since he was actually dying of cancer.

He also did a rousing medley, pairing "Tell Laura I Love Her" with "Born to Be Wild."

Nov. 20 2008 11:07 AM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0
Bryan from Brooklyn

kudos to the fellow who suggested "dress sexy at my funeral". very creepy song.

i would recommend "death to everyone" by bonnie "prince" billy. hilarious and dark and all of that stuff.

Nov. 19 2008 04:38 PM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0
taojones from huntington ny

Procol harums "Salty Dog" was both allegorical and about going "beyond the pale" but there little known first album song "tombstone" was by far my favorite. Robin Trowers decrescendo vibrato on whole chords is a testament to hand strength and pre digital clever guitar playing.

"sat down in the movies took the only empty seat
tried to stretch out in it something blocking my feet finally the lights came up
and i could plainly see
a slab of big grey marble
just staring up at me"

Nov. 19 2008 03:12 PM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0
alysia from NYC

Knockin' on Heaven's Door by Dylan, covered by G&R among many.

I love the resigned funereal feel to the song. The reference to "Mama." And the futility of the badge, the weapons...

"Mama put my guns in the ground
I can't shoot them anymore
That cold black cloud is comin' down
Feels like I'm knockin' on heaven's door"

Nov. 19 2008 02:43 PM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0
paul from brooklyn

the sufjan stephens song about john wayne gacy is the most disturbing while beautiful or disturbing because he managed to create a beautiful song about a monster.

Nov. 19 2008 02:43 PM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0
john potenza from pompton plains, nj

Honey by Bobby Goldsboro. Was unnaturally obsessed with this song for many years. Careful analysis reveals several layers of meaning. On the surface its a love song to a dead wife. How did she die? Suicide; he would come home and find her crying for no reason, probably a depressed pill popper, he would come home late and find her crying over the late moive, why was he working that late? she killed herself while he was at work, its his fault, neglect and depression. OR my preferred interpretation is that she ran away with the Angels, Hells Angles, she was probably loney drug addict, he was at work she was hanging with the bikers and decided to take off. he blames himself.

then there is Love of Mine by Death Cab for Cutie, one of my 15-yo daughters favorite songs, beautiful song really.

Nov. 19 2008 02:34 PM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0
New Sounds Assistant from New York, NY

I nominate Babe the Blue Ox's "Beat You To It." "I'm gonna die one day, and I hope I beat you to it. Gonna take this chance to apologize in advance...but I swear I will kill you if you up and die first."

Nov. 19 2008 02:33 PM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0
Caryn Lombardo from New York, NY

Hows about Metallica's "Fade to Black" or Slayer's "Postmortem"?

Nov. 19 2008 02:33 PM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0
stephen deben from manhattan

my fav: crash test dummies of course:

"Won't you come to my funeral"

I'm sending it to all my friends and relatives from my deathbed as an invitation

Nov. 19 2008 02:32 PM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0
dave from Brooklyn

Oh yeah- how about Dress Sexy at My Funeral, by Smog?

Nov. 19 2008 02:30 PM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0
dave from Brooklyn

How about Dress Sexy at My Funeral, by Smog?

Nov. 19 2008 02:30 PM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0
eric from Kinnelon nj

Murder by Death's song Three Men Hunting off their album Who will survive and what will be left of them is a great song about death and its effects on others.

Nov. 19 2008 02:30 PM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0
JERRY SCHAEFER from QUEENS

LEST WE FORGET HAND OF FATE FROM THEIR BLACK AND BLUE ALBUM FROM THE ROLLING STONES

Nov. 19 2008 02:29 PM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0
Kate from Brooklyn, NY

The pop band Death Cab for Cutie has a beautiful song about witnessing the death of a loved one in a hospital called "What Sarah Said". What Sarah actually said in the song is "Love is watching someone die."

Nov. 19 2008 02:29 PM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0
Michael D. from Providence, RI

Ah man, you talk Richard (and Linda) Thompson songs about death, how can you forget Did She Jump or Was She Pushed? Chilling lyrics that are even more spine-tingling sung in Linda's sweet voice.

"Lying in a pool of herself with a twisted neck..."

Nov. 19 2008 02:29 PM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0
Zak from Morningside Heights

This reminds me of a long standing joke a friend of mine and I had regarding death and music. We always wanted to make a mix tape with all the songs about killing women and stalking women as a gift to a new girlfriend. (Tongue-in-cheek, of course) But Johnny Cash's "Deliah's Gone" or "Cocaine Blues" or half of the rest of his ouevre, or "Little Sadie" as sung by Doc Watson or the stalker songs like Elvis Costello's "I Want You" and the Police's "Every Breath You Take." There are an awful lot of pop songs that are threatening to women...what does this say about our culture?

Nov. 19 2008 02:29 PM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0
Gustav Rech from manhattan

Death Cab For Cutie - Bonzo Dog Band

Nov. 19 2008 02:29 PM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0
Vince from Glen Cove, NY

Bowie's version of "My Death" by Jacques Brel,
The Stranglers "Everybody Loves You When You're Dead", Alice Cooper "I Love The Dead".

Nov. 19 2008 02:28 PM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0
Eric from NYC

Guns n Roses: I used to love her, but I had to kill her.

Nov. 19 2008 02:28 PM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0
Jana Singer from Manhattan

This is going way back, but I have to vote for the Carter Family's "May the Circle Be Unbroken" - what a chilling song.

Nov. 19 2008 02:28 PM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0
Janny from jersey city

Dont forget valiant, heroic death..'Billy dont be a Hero', from the 70's...!!!

Nov. 19 2008 02:28 PM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0
alicia from salt lake city, UT

happy phantom by tori amos

Nov. 19 2008 02:28 PM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0
Sean M. from Brooklyn, NYC, USA

You said you couldn't play it, but Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds' ballot with P.J. Harvey "Henry Lee" is awesome and very depressing. I'm always in the doldrums for months after listening to that track.

Nov. 19 2008 02:27 PM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0
desdemona finch from Brooklyn

My bad, "Now That I Am Dead" by French/Blair.

Here's Thompson's rendition:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=locEfzaWcGg

Nov. 19 2008 02:27 PM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0
Brad Briggs from London

A song for "Happier" Funerals, Do you Realize by the Flaming Lips

Nov. 19 2008 02:27 PM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0
Anina Karmen from manhattan - villlage

John Prine's "Please Don't Bury Me" -- hilarious.
One of the few funny songs about death. Basically suggests where various body parts can go, as a sort of recycling project...full of great puns & twists on cliches.

Nov. 19 2008 02:27 PM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0
Ray from Manhattan

How about Tom Petty's "Last Dance with Mary Jane"? Like many of the best songs about life or death, it's sad and uplifting at the same time.

Nov. 19 2008 02:27 PM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0
Ellen from Pain

Don't Fear the Reaper, Blue Oyster Cult.
Try to beat that one, for death. I'm in the mood to hear it right now.

Nov. 19 2008 02:27 PM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0
woostery

My current favorite is "Sweet Old World" by Lucinda Williams, and it's gotten some good cover versions, too.

"Look what you lost when you left this world...this sweet old world."

With a pretty and only slightly melancholy tune.

Nov. 19 2008 02:27 PM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0
Jim from Brooklyn

How about "Leader of the Laundromat" which pointed out the silliness of the dead teen genre.

What about "Hillbilly Heaven" by Tex Ritter

"Dock of the Bay" by Otis Redding

Nov. 19 2008 02:26 PM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0
Darren in NJ from West Paterson, NJ

Any discussion on rock/pop music death HAS to include the smiths & Morrissey. Most any song will do here, but I put forward, "There Is a Light (that Never Goes Out)." A great piece of poignant pop that never fails to make me laugh at the same time (i.e., "...and if a 10-ton truck crashes into us, to die by your side/ Well the pleasure the privilege is mine.")

Nov. 19 2008 02:26 PM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0
Evan from New York, NY

Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald. 29 dead sailors from drowning. Grieving families. Church bells. Covers all the bases, doesn't it?

Nov. 19 2008 02:26 PM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0
robert from NYC

i think it is worth to mention an entire sub genre of rock'n'roll dealing with all aspects of dying, called death metal. r

Nov. 19 2008 02:26 PM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0
dave from Brooklyn

I have to add "He Stopped Loving Her Today" by
George Jones. Absolutely heartbreaking.

Nov. 19 2008 02:25 PM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0
Tommy B from upper west side - the suburbs

my death song is "I'll be seeing you" i think from the l940s..Ray Charles does a great version in fact that is how i came to know this song though many have recorded it. When my ptibull Elvis died I sang it to myself whenever i thought of him or was doing something I used to do with him. this message is from danielle - tom's wife.

Nov. 19 2008 02:25 PM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0
desdemona finch from Brooklyn

Being a songwriter, one of my favorite songs about death is Mr. Death, which Richard Thompson covers brilliantly. It's about a songwriter who dies well before his songs make him famous. One of Thompson bandmates in the Frith, Freep, .... etc. band of the 1980s wrote it.

Nov. 19 2008 02:25 PM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0
Maggie from New York, NY

And When I Die - Laura Nyro
People Who Died - Jim Carroll Band
Still Life - Van der Graff Generator
Is That All There Is - Peggy Lee
Sometimes It Snows in April - Prince
Always look on the Bright Side of Life - Monty Python
Spirit in the Sky - Wizard
The End - the Doors

Nov. 19 2008 02:25 PM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0
virginia from Putnam Valley NY

Everytime I hear the unique driving riff of Paint it Black I have to stop and listen. The driving energy behind it portrays the out of time experience in which we are swept up in the face of a deat - unepected or not. The sensation that life is going on around one while one is apart form it - the girls summer dresses, the red doors, the helplessness of following behind the hearse for the one way trip from which mourners wiil return but the deceased will not.
And finally the hope that if one can put ineself o the limbo of 'staring into setting sun" all will be back to normal.

Nov. 19 2008 02:24 PM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0
Christina from Brooklyn

For me, hands down its "There Is a Light That Never Goes Out" by the Smiths. As a teenager, it made me happy to be miserable.

Nov. 19 2008 02:24 PM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0
Brad Briggs from London

Pink Moon by Nick Drake. So subtle yet so powerful.

Nov. 19 2008 02:24 PM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0
Evan from New York, NY

The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald by Gordon Lightfoot. 29 dead men drowning. Grieving families. Church bells. Covers all the bases, doesn't it?

Nov. 19 2008 02:24 PM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0
John Husiak from NYC

One of my favorite songs about death is by Iris Dement on her first album, My Town, entitled There'll Be Laughter wherein the first line is :There'll be laughter even after your're gone. Its about her father's imminent death and it's very optimistic for the survivor. Having just recently lost my brother, I found it extremely supportive.
Also, think about the great Operas, saturated with death.

Nov. 19 2008 02:23 PM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0
Jasanne from Lower East Side

Cloud Cult- 'When Water Comes to Life'

The video is as powerful as the song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYyHAXZKaPQ

Nov. 19 2008 02:21 PM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0
Justin from Park Slope

It seems like there's some kind of distinction to be made between singing of one's own death, like Paul McCartney did in 'On the day that I die' vs. singing of people dealing with others dying, i.e. Paul Simon's 'Save the life of my child'

"Save the life of my child,
Cried the desperate mother..."

Nov. 19 2008 02:21 PM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0
Edward Hutchinson from Brooklyn

Aagh, I kind hate that motorcycle song of RT's. But I think he pretty much jumped the shark after splitting with Linda. "Wall of Death"! "Wall of Death"!

Nov. 19 2008 02:21 PM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0
NWP from Greenwich,CT

The End - The doors

Exposes the young males solution to the age old issue of freedom through destruction.

Nov. 19 2008 02:21 PM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0
Linda Voorhis from Ridgewood NJ

Elliott Smith's "Little One." It's a lullaby to himself, and it's so lovely and sad.

Nov. 19 2008 02:21 PM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0
Ted from Manhattan

Terry Jacks' "Seasons in the Sun," adapted from the far more poignant "Le moribond"

Nov. 19 2008 02:19 PM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0
Voter from Brooklyn

I guess my to favorite suicide leaning torch songs are Gloomy Sunday and the humorous Is That All There Is.

Nov. 19 2008 02:19 PM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0
Jim from Red Hook

How about "Timothy" by the Buoys. It's about three guys stuck in a mine, and if I remember correctly, two of the guys end up eating Timothy.

Nov. 19 2008 02:19 PM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0
Frank Grimaldi from East Village

I have 2 favorite 70's death songs - one corny, one not. Alone Again Naturally by Gilbert Sullivan & Fire and Rain by James Taylor.

Nov. 19 2008 02:19 PM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0
Robots Need 2 Party from Brooklyn

The Decemberists do great takes on death and murder ballads. Yankee Bayonet and Shankill Butchers are good examples. I believe these fit into the traditional form of the genre updated with a modern alternative folk rock sound.

Nov. 19 2008 02:18 PM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0
Edward Hutchinson from Brooklyn

Richard Thompson, "When I Get to the Border" and especially "Wall of Death."

Nov. 19 2008 02:18 PM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0
Anne from Jersey City

I was in Nashville for the first time over the weekend and went to the Opry show at the Ryman Auditorium. I now have a new favorite death song:

I heard Charlie Louvin sing a song about witnessing a car crash---I heard the breaking glass, blood and whiskey everywhere, but I didn't hear a prayer, Lord, I didn't hear a prayer.

Better than Leader of the Pack--It transcended kitsch.

Nov. 19 2008 02:18 PM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0
tom from upper west

The Beatles again:
A Day in The Life

Nov. 19 2008 02:17 PM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0
Cristina from Manhattan

The absolute BEST is by Johnny Cash: "When the Man Comes Around" Released on his last CD. Not long before his death. Makes your hair stand on end. Play it. You'll see.

Nov. 19 2008 02:17 PM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0
tom from cold spring, ny

We don't have to dig too deeply to explain the connection. A preoccupation with death and things dark is typical a part teen angst. Pop music has always been closer to the sensibilities of youth, and therefore, death.

Nov. 19 2008 02:17 PM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0
Robots Need 2 Party from Brooklyn

The Decemberists are great for death and murder ballads.

Nov. 19 2008 02:16 PM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0
Elaine from Murray Hill

I'd vote for Wagner's Tristan und Isolde. It's larger than life, and the liebestode is a 17-minute extravaganza on the notion of death in love. Orgasmic!

Nov. 19 2008 02:14 PM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0
Cheryl from Brooklyn

The BeeGees seemed to be a little obssessed with this genre - "Gotta Get a Message to You", "New York Mining Disater". Even "I Started a Joke" references dying in the abstract.

Nov. 19 2008 01:59 PM
Vote this comment up Vote this comment down Score: 0/0

Leave a Comment

Register for your own account so you can vote on comments, save your favorites, and more. Learn more.
Please stay on topic, be civil, and be brief.
Email addresses are never displayed, but they are required to confirm your comments. Names are displayed with all comments. We reserve the right to edit any comments posted on this site. Please read the Comment Guidelines before posting. By leaving a comment, you agree to New York Public Radio's Privacy Policy and Terms Of Use.







URL

If you enter anything in this field your comment will be treated as spam
Location
* Denotes a required field