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Dead or Alive

Wanted: Meat. Preferably alive. That is, if you're a carnivore. But most carnivores in zoos find themselves being fed something more along the lines of a hamburger... or in zoo lingo "a meatsicle." And like in the movie "Supersize Me," the result of this diet is a bunch of overweight, lethargic, unhappy animals lying around in the zoo. So, a new wave of zoo reformers are suggesting that to make these caged carnivores happy, we should be feeding them whole carcasses, or better yet, whole live animals. We visit two zoos who are trying to recreate this gory element of wildness, and see how visitors feel about watching it. First up, NPR Science reporter Nell Boyce takes us carcass-tossin' at the Toledo Zoo. And then we follow reporter Jocelyn Ford onto a bus in China where hungry lions lick their chops at the squawking cargo. The question here is just how far will we go to be 'humane', and when does it get us right back to a point dangerously close to the Romans?

China bans "Live Feeding"


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[1]
Posted by: Fanny
June 01, 2007 - 04:32PM
New Lane

I had to stop listening when the tigers started yowling. Too sad.

[2]
Posted by: Gerald Wilson
June 01, 2007 - 06:34PM

What an amazing program. Now I'm questioning whether sleep is my favorite. Maybe Zoos is my new favorite. Can't decide. Radio Lab should run for president.

[3]
Posted by: Clay
June 03, 2007 - 01:25AM
Maitland, FL

One of the best Radio Lab shows yet. These seasons are just too short.

[4]
Posted by: Gerry
June 14, 2007 - 04:21PM
New Jersey

Great story! I always look forward to stuff by Jocelyn Ford.

[5]
Posted by: Christopher Murray
June 19, 2007 - 11:20AM
Co. Wicklow, Ireland

I saw live mice being fed to captive snakes at a nature centre in Florida.

[6]
Posted by: Maggie Rufo
July 02, 2007 - 07:05PM
Novato, CA

This whole episode on zoos was fantastic - thank you.

The yowling of the tigers is heartbreaking and reinforces my feeling that China is hell on earth for animals. I firmly believe there will never be human rights for all the peoples of China until the people of China become compassionate towards animals. It will start with the animals and spread to all life. Cultural traditions are never an excuse for cruelty. I judge Chinese governments and society harshly because of the unnecessary torment to animals and the whole-scale environmental destruction and forced removal of people from their homes.

[7]
Posted by: Elliot Richmond
August 18, 2007 - 05:56PM
Austin, Texas

At the end of the "Dead or Alive" segment, Jocelyn Ford went into some other part of the facility (I missed exactly where) and saw some tigers in small cages. She recorded one. I recognized that cry. It was the sound of utter despair.

[8]
Posted by: Wolfgang Masarie
September 03, 2007 - 03:34AM
Austria

We are hosting five lovely cats here in our little paradise and I often witness them torturing the cute little mice to death. I have to accept the cruelty of nature but I'm nevertheless glad to be a vegetarian.

A great and enlightening program!

[9]
Posted by: Emily
January 18, 2008 - 03:51PM
New York, NY

The lion's cry was one of the most heartbreaking things I've ever heard on the radio. How can we help them?

[10]
Posted by: Lee Jian Ming
February 04, 2008 - 08:39AM

Good god, those tigers made me sit back in my chair, completely dumbstruck by disgust and grief and all that sort of thing. Completely heartbreaking.

[11]
Posted by: Jennifer Hardy
February 17, 2008 - 08:57PM
Brooklyn, NY

I am haunted by the sounds of the tiger's cries at the end of Jocelyn's segment. It was chilling. I cry every time I think of it. I'm with Emily. How can we help him? (I hope there is only one!) Can we find out where that tiger is and buy it and free it? Jocelyn, please respond!

[12]
Posted by: jocelyn
June 14, 2008 - 02:06AM
Beijing

Hello Emily and others--

My apologies for a much delayed response.

Sadly, I don't have a simple solution. There were many tigers and lions who were in cages. As I left the "natural" wildlife park, I heard more cries coming from another building.

I think your concern, and desire to take action, is a good start toward a better tomorrow for these and other animals.

Here are websites for two organizations that are working toward promoting animal protection and humanitarian treatment of animals in China; the Jane Goodall Institute China http://www.jgichina.org/index.html, and Animals Asia Foundation http://www.animalsasia.org/index.php?module=2&lg=en.

I am optimistic that as China grows wealthier, society will become more compassionate. The tragic May 12, 2008 earthquake has spurred greater concern for strangers among many, to the pleasant surprise of many Chinese friends of mine.

I hope you will remain interested in social developments in this large and fast-changing country, or better yet, become engaged with groups here that share your interests.

Thanks for your comments.

Jocelyn

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